turbo size ?

[86gixxer]

I am new to DSMs (as most could tell ) and just picked up two from my cousin. Ones a gsx and ones a GS. I am swapping everything from the GSX over to the GS (with the exception if the AWD drivetrain) and using a VCE.

My question is, since this will be a DD for when I cant ride my bike, whats a good turbo size for it? I am dumping the blown 14b and want a little more power. I am adding a TBE and wires and plugs (bigger wires) and probably a FPR and larger pump. I am replacing all seals and elimintating balance shafts while the motor is out. I am also going to do timing components and belt also along with the water pump.

Give me some ideas and thanks ahead of time.

Also if I am missing or incorrect on any of the supporting mods let me know.

 

[codeofdastreets]

A 16g would be good.. I'd also go wit 560 injectors nd a safc for tuning.. A inexpensive nd decent setup for a person just getting into the dsm world..

 

[gringo72884]

what are your hp goals for now? do you think you will want to upgrade in the future?

 

[86gixxer]

Im new to the dsm world but far from new to cars. I dont have HP goals. Just a little more than stock is fine. (Im sure i will regret this change because as the saying goes "once you mod it the bug hits to want more" ) I figure since i got these things for next to nothing (litteraly for triple digits for BOTH) I could afford a little modding to make the car a little more fun to drive

Anyways as far as tuning goes Im not a newbie there, I have tuned hondas (n/a only) using their tuning programs but its been quite a few years old age gets to your brain fast.

 

[RadDsm]

Wait, are you planning to swap the 4g63 into the GS?

 

[EclipticalGS]

yeah, a GSX/GST motor will not fit into a GS. Why would you not want the AWD?? I dont get it.

I have to swap to get awd, if so lemme get our rearend, driveshaft, gas tank please.

 

[86gixxer]

why wont the gsx motor fit in since theyre BOTH 1st gens and 4g63s? The GS is just a N/T 4g63.

As for why not have the GSX AWD its because it has NO TITLE!

As for the AWD parts theyre ALL availble to buy, they are NO USE TO ME

 

[RadDsm]

If they are both 1st gens, you can do the swap just fine.

 

[86gixxer]

haha i thought so

but seriously the AWD parts (minus trans) are available

 

[dsm-onster]

They SHOULD be available. After all, you said you have an awd there to pull parts from. . . This is fishy. Just do the title work. . . If you're willing to do this much work, it smacks of hot merchandise.

In addition to pulling TWO motors. You're going to a weaker transmission that comes apart at stock turbo power. Wiring in the Knock sensor and maf. and depending on the 1g, you have the oil cooler swap to do. . . There's a bit more too.

 

[86gixxer]

Im using the awd trans with a VCE. its harder to get a title for it then you think here in iowa. Also the GSX is a 91 iirc and I like the look of the 94 (not just the front end)


Im sure its not a direct drop in but I dont care about a little extra work.

Oh and the 94 is an auto right now so its GOTTA go!

 

[dsm-onster]

You'll break the VCE eventually which will throw shrapnel all through your gearset.

If the auto has "gotta go". Get the title work done with the other car and convert the 1993-4 rear skin and front finders skin and hood and lights with the n/t you have then sell the n/t and recoup the costs/time. . . If you can't get the title, you probably shouldn't have the title. Doing paperwork is much easier than doing all that engine swapping and much more. And you'll blow the tranny anyway eventually with the plan you have now.

 

[86gixxer]

then I guess I will find a gst trans when that happens. Its not gonna be driven frequently.

I am just using it mainly for a work car like i said just when I cant ride the bike.

I am saving for a truck this summer and since i got em cheap, I will drive it til i get the truck. Got to be better than my 05 taurus granny car

 

[gringo72884]

i did a 1G non turbo to turbo swap....your best bet is to do a full wire harness swap from the awd to the gst and go from there...it will be a pain in the ass but is your choice....if you dont want to go that route you will have to swap the injector resistor box, rewire your injectors, rewire an additional wire from your maf to your ecu, etc. etc. As for mods to give you a good jump in hp i would do a evo 3 16g turbo, 650 injectors, AFPR, walboro 190 or 255 fuel pump and tune it with a safc....you will make good power with this setup...I personally ran it on my 1G turbo swap and made about 380 crank hp..

 

[dsm-onster]

He'll need to add the cost of a FMIC to that. Plus the cost of upgrading the maf to a 2g or better unit plus the plug.

 

[LiquidX]

Easier to go and get the title...

 

[86gixxer]

I planned on the FMIC addition because the SMIC is worthless IMHO. I could actually probably swap the whole wiring harness from one car to the other since I have experience with wiring and wire tucks and certification in automotive electrical. I dont have a fear of stripping a car down and removing and reinstalling what I need. The 5 spd (if its anything like the honda swap) swap would probably be better if I just went ahead and pulled the harness out and put the gsx harness in.

 

[big_d]

Don't bother switching harnesses. 1 extra wire for the 1g turbo maf, 1 wire for the knock sensor, and four wires to splice in for the injector resistor pack.

 

[mainerdsm]

If Im correct if it's 1995 or older you dont need a title.

 

[86gixxer]

Not here in iowa. You have to have a title to register it.

And for the wiring you still have the back up lights and whatever else from swapping to 5 spd from auto.

 

[cory51191]

I am new to DSMs (as most could tell ) and just picked up two from my cousin. Ones a gsx and ones a GS. I am swapping everything from the GSX over to the GS (with the exception if the AWD drivetrain) and using a VCE.

My question is, since this will be a DD for when I cant ride my bike, whats a good turbo size for it? I am dumping the blown 14b and want a little more power. I am adding a TBE and wires and plugs (bigger wires) and probably a FPR and larger pump. I am replacing all seals and elimintating balance shafts while the motor is out. I am also going to do timing components and belt also along with the water pump.

Give me some ideas and thanks ahead of time.

Also if I am missing or incorrect on any of the supporting mods let me know.

Really? No one is bitching at him for asking a question that could be easily searched.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/frequently-answered-dsm-questions/

Start there.

 

[86gixxer]

Well Im not sure that thread would really help because these questions are more of a per application basis. Not something that a general explanation could help.

I understand what your saying.

 

[94TalonTSI1]

IMO, waste of time/money. The time it's going to take to swap everything over, get it running right etc. would be better spent finding a 1G AWD and be done with it.

If you are going to do this, you will need a 1G FWD TURBO transmission, as stated the 1G N/T trannies are weaker. A VCE is not needed with a 1G FWD Tranny, as there is no viscous coupler in a 1G FWD. The VC is only in an AWD transmission.

You'd also be better off swapping harnesses. You won't have the TPS input on the N/T ECU, and since you'll already have the engine out, pull the harness and throw it into your N/T. Everything else will bolt up.

It seems like it's all easy as pie, but can be a lot more frustrating than you would expect.

 

[86gixxer]

I know the FWD trans doesnt have a VCE, I am using an AWD trans and have to put the VCE in to use it on the FWD car.

As far as a waste of time/money goes, you tell me where you can find a running 1st gen GSX for 500 bux. Hmm you cant. Like i stated, I am getting BOTH cars for 500 from my cousin and this is why I am swapping parts. He traded a pickup for these and then had a WP problem which turned into a head going bad (guy he let work on it was a dumbass who knows NOTHING about cars) on the 94. The GSX is complete and runs minus turbo being bad on it.

So all in all taking the time to swap it over isnt a waste of time at all. Also i could probably get close to what I paid for both cars out of the shell with complete suspension/driveline of the GSX.

For the price I am getting them at its worth it IMO

 

[DSMDriver69]

Hey sence your new to dsm and just wanting a little more than stock, i think anywhere from 250-275 even 300hp (maybe a little to much) would be a good start. Look into the stage upgrade paths on here.