1G Timing Marks don't line up.

[mindset]

I'm replacing my water pump and installing a BSE kit.

According to Haynes, I have to set #1 cyl to TDC. Ok, well first it wants me to rotate the crank CW so that the gears and the Crankshaft Pulley T marks line up. VFAQ simply states rip off the crankshaft pulley, disregarding of where any of the marks are, and then rotate the crankshaft.

When I have my cam gear markings lined up, the mark on the crankshaft pulley doesn't line up to the T mark. I've read through a couple other posts but I am dead confused on this.

The head is ON the block, too and I want to avoid taking it off.

 

[LiquidX]

You may have to rotate the crank a few times for everything to line up. Just keep rotating.

 

[mindset]

You may have to rotate the crank a few times for everything to line up. Just keep rotating.

I rotated the hell out of it, the mark on the pulley still wont line up with the T.

 

[LiquidX]

How close does everything come when the crank is lined up?

 

[mindset]

Ok, the engine is out so I have a perfect view of everything. The only thing loose is the power steering belt. The crankshaft pulley is still on. When I turn it to get it to TDC, only the gears line up right, but the mark on the pulley is about 1/2"-5/8" off.

Like I don't know what to do. Vfaq says to just rip the pulley right off and not worry about any marks and then align them once the pulley is off. Haynes wants me to first make sure the pulley lines up with the T mark, along with the gears.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Take the pulley off and see the mark on the crank sprocket. It will line up with a triangle on the front case. Every 4 turns it should line up dead center.

James

 

[mindset]

Ok, another question. If all of these how-to's say "Do not turn the crank CCW", then won't my impact move it the littlest bit CCW when I try to get off the pulley? Or is that ok?

 

[Project2G]

Ok, another question. If all of these how-to's say "Do not turn the crank CCW", then won't my impact move it the littlest bit CCW when I try to get off the pulley? Or is that ok?

When tightening the bolt, ensure that the tensioner pulley shaft does not rotate with the bolt. Allowing it to rotate with the bolt can cause excessive tension on the belt.

 

[mindset]

So try to keep the pulley still while taking out the bolt? Gotcha.

Thanks

 

[romeen]

Ok, the engine is out so I have a perfect view of everything. The only thing loose is the power steering belt. The crankshaft pulley is still on. When I turn it to get it to TDC, only the gears line up right, but the mark on the pulley is about 1/2"-5/8" off.

Like I don't know what to do. Vfaq says to just rip the pulley right off and not worry about any marks and then align them once the pulley is off. Haynes wants me to first make sure the pulley lines up with the T mark, along with the gears.

Have you removed the lower timing cover? The timing mark on the crank pulley is for setting ignition timing using markings on the lower timing belt cover.

For setting camshaft/valve timing you need to remove the crank pulley and lower timing cover and use the mark on the crank sprocket with a corresponding mark on the front case.

Ok, another question. If all of these how-to's say "Do not turn the crank CCW", then won't my impact move it the littlest bit CCW when I try to get off the pulley? Or is that ok?

No, you should not rotate the crank counterclockwise. An impact wrench is perfect for removing the crank sprocket bolt and won't spin the crank.

 

[mindset]

Have you removed the lower timing cover? The timing mark on the crank pulley is for setting ignition timing using markings on the lower timing belt cover.

For setting camshaft/valve timing you need to remove the crank pulley and lower timing cover and use the mark on the crank sprocket with a corresponding mark on the front case.

Nope haven't touched a thing till I figure out what I'm doing.

Let's get this straight:
1) Remove crank pulley
2) Adjust timing to TDC on #1 piston

When I go back and install the pulley, does it have to be lined back up with the T? Cause I don't want to take it off, do the WP/BSE and go and set the timing and put on the pulley all to find out it still doesn't line up.

 

[romeen]

Nope haven't touched a thing till I figure out what I'm doing.

Let's get this straight:
1) Remove crank pulley
2) Adjust timing to TDC on #1 piston

When I go back and install the pulley, does it have to be lined back up with the T? Cause I don't want to take it off, do the WP/BSE and go and set the timing and put on the pulley all to find out it still doesn't line up.

Yes, with the motor (cylinders 1 and 4) at TDC, the timing mark on the crank pulley should line with the "T" on the lower timing cover. If it doesn't then inspect the crank pulley for separation of the rubber inner portion from the metal. Also make sure that the pulley is properly seated on the dowel pin that is on the crank sprocket.

This tech article has some very good pics. Ignore the parts that are pertinent to the 2G.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...l-installing-timing-timing-belt-6bolt-2g.html

 

[mindset]

So far I took off my crank pulley and removed the water pump pulley along with the timing cover. I also read blcknspoolin's thread. The oil pump gear on the lower right (all the way in the corner pretty much) will not line up. It will only remain at the 9, 12, and 5 o'clock positions. I rotated the crank about 10 times and still not perfect line ups. Along with the cam gears, then only line up like the way they line up in blcknspoolin's thread, but I'm not worried because he gives a detailed explanation on that.

Since I am removing my balance shafts, do I need to have the marks lined up to REMOVE the timing belt? I'm aware that it doesn't matter where they are when I INSTALL the timing belt w/ removed balance shafts. What do I need marked so I can can have it timed correctly.

The guy before did a poor timing job.