timing,, help,,

[foxsdesignz]

ok,, i been posting thread on question on my talon for the last week or so, im was working on timing the car to 5degree advance,, i was looking at the cover,, and were is the mark for 5 degree, is it before or after the the middle mark,,
B D C T
10
' ' ' ' sorry i didnt have time for a pic, but im sure you know what im talking about,, but when i was timing, it, it would idle around 2g, so i turned it down to 750,, but when i was driving it, it would buck, and hesitate really bad,,,,

 

[foxsdesignz]

i would turn and adjust the idle at the CAS.. i have new plug and wires,, for a stock setup,, were should i gap them,,,

 

[magik95]

The timing mark should be right at the mark rihgt before the 0


10,

 

[foxsdesignz]

os the one after the 10 is 5 degree,,?

 

[magik95]

yes the one to the right of the 10

 

[foxsdesignz]

i had it there,, and when i was driving it,, it would buck like crazy... i would have to turn it up so it would quit,,

 

[snowborder714]

Have you tried adjusting your BISS to fix your idle? Or do you possibly have a boost leak? You should not adjust your idle from the CAS.

 

[foxsdesignz]

well the biss has never been touch, i just dont know what it is, it was running fine before i pulled the motor out, i just had to change the CAS out, ### me 92 eagle, had a different wiring harness then the 91 laser,, how do i go about adjusting the biss, set timing to 5 degree,, then back it out til it drops to 750,, around there

 

[snowborder714]

The BISS is the thing circled in purple:
http://members.shaw.ca/dsm.1000q/Engineprimer/1G/throttlebody.htm

Here's how to adjust the BISS:
1G BISS Adjustment

Here's how to set base timing:
Engine Timing

And you should set your base timing (by adjusting the CAS) to 5*. If you'd like, I'll go take a picture of my timing belt cover and mark where the white mark on the crank pulley should line up with.

 

[magik95]

Are you sure you dont have the cas 180* out?

 

[foxsdesignz]

im pretty sure it not,, plus the car wouldnt run with it 180 out,,right?

 

[snowborder714]

im pretty sure it not,, plus the car wouldnt run with it 180 out,,right?

I've read on here that it won't run for some people, but will for others. I just reinstalled my CAS after replacing the o-ring and it ran when installed correct AND 180* out. I can't say I noticed any difference (at idle...I didn't drive it) either way. Check out this page for instructions on how to check and make sure it's lined up correct:
RRE Instructions

 

[foxsdesignz]

i check the CAS, the mark all line up,, so i dont think it is the problem, im going to try and set the timing to 5 degree, and work the idle with the biss,., and see what i get,, now, do i have to ground the ignition timing adjustment plug?,, and what is that really for,,,

 

[snowborder714]

Yes you need to ground the connector show in the link I posted above.

 

[foxsdesignz]

what happen whe you ground it, and i look behide my battery,, i there too end to it ,,like a connector, or just a female and a cap,,?

 

[foxsdesignz]

ok,, i the timing is at 5 degree,, and the BISS was all the way down.. and it idle at 1100,,,

 

[foxsdesignz]

and it was really slow,, i dont know why,, but it was enough i could feel it,,any ideas???????

 

[ToughTalon]

Im guessing your timing is still way out, I wouldnt recommend driving your car until your sure it is ok, if its running real slow you probley have it majorly retarded.

You need to ground out the timing plug so the computer doesnt compensate for the adjustment your trying to make.

Snowboarder posted some great info, print out the info (if you have a printer) sit in the garage and study.

From my experience, the two most important aspects are properly marking the crank and cover, so your timing marks are easy to identify with the timing light. And make sure you ground the timing plug or the timing will never be steady, it will keep jumping around and you will never get it in time.

Good luck, check twice, adjust once.

 

[foxsdesignz]

well i didnt ground it,, but i will tomorrow,, im waiting on the spark plugs and wires,, i will gap and replace them and try to time it and adjust the BISS,,,,,