Thinking bout getting a DSM

[Dadowhip08]

Alright, I new here im going to search and all that for this information just wanted to put a thread up to maybe get some help.

One of my friends is selling a 1999 eclipse for 300 bucks it has the 420a in it non turbo but has body damage that can be fixed the quaderpanel is pushed in on the right side which is the only thing im worried bout fixing and the front fenders and front bumper is screwed.

I thinking bout getting it. And I wanted to put no more then 10,000 in to it and get forged internals and upgraded heads and turbo and all that.

I would like to know what engine mangement system would be the best to go with? I would like to change boost to 5psi all the way up to 30 if its possible......

Is 500hp possible in the 420a?

Thanks

 

[No_Skillz]

Alright, I new here im going to search and all that for this information just wanted to put a thread up to maybe get some help.

One of my friends is selling a 1999 eclipse for 300 bucks it has the 420a in it non turbo but has body damage that can be fixed the quaderpanel is pushed in on the right side which is the only thing im worried bout fixing and the front fenders and front bumper is screwed.

I thinking bout getting it. And I wanted to put no more then 10,000 in to it and get forged internals and upgraded heads and turbo and all that.

I would like to know what engine mangement system would be the best to go with? I would like to change boost to 5psi all the way up to 30 if its possible......

Is 500hp possible in the 420a?

Thanks

Anything is possible with enough money. But stop and think for a second why the 4G63 is legendary. Alot of power is also not very meaninful without traction.

 

[knochgoon24]

Why put 10k into a 420a? I know people like to go that route, but why not start with an AWD platform? It will save you the headache of traction problems.

Additionally,
With the 4g63t, you have much more support in trouble shooting (most people on here have 4g63 engines) and there is a greater number of "custom" parts designed by companies for aftermarket performance. Saves yourself a lot of the personal custom fabrication work.

 

[awd4g63turbo]

10k is alot of money to put in a 420A. If you have that much money that you want to invest in a DSM I believe everyone up here will agree to just buy one that has the 4G63T in it. It will be alot easier to get your hp with that than the 420, if you even could. If you insist on doin the build-up then I wish you the best of luck, I just know it will be alot easier with a turbo platform to start with.

 

[Dadowhip08]

Well I don't have the money to put all the upgrades in at once i just don't want to spend over 10,000 all together once i'm done. I'm starting out at 300 bucks... if i could even find a gst or gsx near me it would cost me 4,000 at less.... which is why I wanted to start this project. I know how good the 4g63 is a great motor i was thinking bout doing that swap in my mirage but I haven't found any luck on finding a motor for cheap and I'd have to convert that manual so Now i rather do something else... I know 500hp is lot but that was the max anywhere from 300ish to 500 i would be happy and I've heard the 420a running better then the 4g64t thats if you get it turbo'ed

 

[shredwin]

I had NA eclipses and talons, and they are nice little cars. Not a lot of HP but they get good gas milage. Now I own 2 DSMs powered by the legendary 4G63 and let me tell you, I am pleased with the amount of power it pushes for being stock. When I had my NA talon I wanted to turbo it but then I changed my mind and decided to just buy a factory turbo charged DSM. but for 300 bucks , you might as well just get it and fix it up. I got nothing against the 420a's but I just enjoy the AWD 4G63 thats all

 

[knochgoon24]

Ah, now it's a different story. Just how much money needs put into fixing the GS? For 300, it might be a good car to get you around in until you can save up for some thing better. I almost wish I would have bought a cheap car and saved wrather than have car payments. For $300, if it runs fine and the damage is minor, then go ahead, but don't drop that 10k into it.

 

[TurboATM]

for 300 bucks, and you know you can fix it...go for it. fix it, do a few minor bolt on mods, then sell it for a 4g63 dsm

 

[Car_guy_09]

The only real advantage to the 4g63 is AWD, If you dont care about it being FWD go for it. Your not going to put much more or less money into building a 500hp 420a than building a 500hp 4g63. The difference will be, The 420a is more of a custom thing. Theres not a whole lot out there other than your basic turbo kits and bottom end stuff. With the 4g63 there is everything you could ever want made just for it, Which is why there is more high horsepower 4g63s.


I personally went with the 420a platform because i wanted to be different, At the time i got mine there wasn't many fast 420a's out there.

I can go to the local drag strip and find atleast 4 or 5 fast 4g63 dsm's on any given night, But i have yet to see a single Turbo 420a, So when a built 420a pulls up it gets all kindas of attention because nobody knows what it is.


But if your going to build a 500hp car FWD will be a HUGE set back.


So if you dont mind FWD buy it and fix it up.

If you want AWD buy it, Drive it, Save your money and look for a GSX or TSI AWD.

 

[Dadowhip08]

Ya I don't care for awd I like RWd and fwd is fine for me I'll have to start a parts list and see from there what i can do and I like the 420a simply cause its different....

 

[cano86]

If you want something different than I agree with you is good to do something different once in a while. Good luck!! enjoy it once is done.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I think you will one day regret if you get a eclipse with a 420a in it.
Ive had a N/T 1g, and GST 1g before, and other base models cars, one thing Ive learned from it, buy right, buy once. Get the real deal the first time and not try to build the watered down version.
To follow this example, hell GST guys regret not getting the AWD...

Wait for a clean 2g gst/gsx to come along. Patience is a virtue.

Just my opinion...

 

[cano86]

I think you will one day regret if you get a eclipse with a 420a in it.
Ive had a N/T 1g, and GST 1g before, and other base models cars, one thing Ive learned from it, buy right, buy once. Get the real deal the first time and not try to build the watered down version.
To follow this example, hell GST guys regret not getting the AWD...

Wait for a clean 2g gst/gsx to come along. Patience is a virtue.

Just my opinion...

Not really I had a 96 RS and I liked it as much as I liked my 95 GST. And about regretting not getting an AWD no dont regret my GST has taken everything I put in it and has been very efficient and just because it has better traction well good tires are always a must for better traction because my car handles great even on wet roads.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Not really I had a 96 RS and I liked it as much as my 95 GST. And about regretting not getting an AWD no dont regret my GST has taken everything I put in it and has been very efficient and just because it has better traction well good tires are always a must for better traction because my car handles even on wet roads.

True, I shouldve clarified, he would regret dumping 10k into a 420a when you can get a AWD and used that money in it and get SO much MORE out of it.
If your truely for performance is just makes sense to get the AWD version of a car if its an option. Gst's are nice if you have your own particular reasons to own one and they have their pros and cons like anything else.

 

[Calan]

Buy it for $300, lower your spending limit to $1,000 and use that money to fix it up as a nice reliable daily driver. Then enjoy putting around in it while you search for and build a nice AWD 4g63 DSM

 

[Dadowhip08]

Buy it for $300, lower your spending limit to $1,000 and use that money to fix it up as a nice reliable daily driver. Then enjoy putting around in it while you search for and build a nice AWD 4g63 DSM

That mite sound like a plan as well... Is a Turbo'ed 420a sell for more? then a None turbo?

 

[sonik619]

4g63 vs 420a hmm.

 

[SethA]

If you find the right buyer a turboed 420a will be worth more than a n/a 420a. Realistically you won't get out what you put into it though. The point is if you want a turbo car it makes more sense to start with a 4g63 car.

Because it is a good deal buy your friends car and leave it N/A. Repair and sell or daily drive. Save up your money for a 4g63 car.

Seth

 

[erald01]

420a is not differentWTF...4g63 is different and getting more rare, plus on top of that it stoped production with the end of evo9 sooo think hard where do you want to spend all that money.

 

[jrohner]

What do you do with 500 hp in a fwd anyways? I mean besides burn the tires at any speed.

Get a GSX and put a couple grand into it instead of spending 10 grand on a 420a fwd car. If you really want fwd, get a GST cause they aren't very expensive. If you want gas mileage instead of power, get the 420a car and leave it stock and get 35 mpg.

 

[crimsonGST]

Fix it, paint it, sell it for a few grand. Save save save, and buy yourself a GST/GSX. Trust me I was just like you. Your wasting your time if your wanting 500hp on a FWD. Got my gst 4 months ago, and I've been pleased ever since, even when it does break.

 

[Defiant]

Is 500hp possible in the 420a?

Not without a different engine.