super charger

[SniperXr2]

Ehhh, I was wrong.. Oh well it definetly wasn't the first time.. Oh well thanks for clearing all this up for me guys..

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by JeRmZ
well I just had some head work done and got a valve job about a month ago... so I'm sure I'm fine there, and as far as everything else goes I HAVE IT!!! Hmmmm ... just a month ago I was saying how I DID NOT wanna boost my car, But I don't know the SC sounds so cool and I know that nobody here in my town has one so DAMB oh what to do what to do!! well I figure I have a little decision time since it will be summer/fall before their available!

Sounds nice ... LISTEN
SUPERCHARGED 420A

you say you dont want to "boost" your car.. what do you think superchargers produce? BOOST! a supercharger is just like a turbo but with a different design.. (ie: not ran off exhaust put rather the crank)

 

[top_end95]

he said a MONTH ago he didnt but now hes thinkin about changing his mind

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

if you n/t boys want speed.. just turbo it.. a supercharger would suck. why would you waste the time and money? turbo is so much better and efficent. with a supercharger you are using engine power to turn it, with a turbo the exhaust (which is leaving anyways) turns it.

 

[JeRmZ]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse
if you n/t boys want speed.. just turbo it.. a supercharger would suck. why would you waste the time and money? turbo is so much better and efficent. with a supercharger you are using engine power to turn it, with a turbo the exhaust (which is leaving anyways) turns it.

Honestly think about what you just said ... in the post before you said Turbo and SC are basically the same now in this one your bashing an SC calling it stupid and a waste of time and money ... so your gonna tell me that when I pull up at the track and I'm the only one with a SC on my 420a, that people are going to tell me I wasted my time and money? I think not ...
in fact I'm sure everyone would wanna know details! and as far as turbo being better and efficient WHY? like you said whats the difference?

Like stated in an earlier thread anSC will compress only cold air while your turbo compresses both!

Here .... straight from the sight!!!!
THE ELECTRIC UNIT I HAVE PATENT PENDING IS AN ELECTRICAL REPLACEMENT FOR "NOS". IT USES 15,000 WATTS TO TURN IT AND PRODUCE 5-12 PSI BOOST--DEPENDING ON ENGINE SIZE. IT CAN MAKE 10-15 RUNS LASTING 12-15 SECONDS ON A FULL BATTERY CHARGE, SO IT IS SIMILAR TO "NOS" IN THAT YOU RECHARGE THE BATTERIES--BUT AT PENNIES A RECHARGE INSTEAD OF $45/BOTTLE

 

[TimG]

C'mon boys. Let's not make this a discriminatory post of SC vs. TC. It doesn't matter how you get your 5-6psi of boost. All that matters is if you get 5-6 psi.

Only problems which I can see from a SC is that it'll be impossible to intercool. I'm definately not a supercharger guy and I'm not sure how they are mounted. (directly to the intake manifold or on a mount and piped like a turbo to the intake manifold).

If anyone puts a supercharger on their car and runs 6psi and loses to the exact same car with a turbo running 6psi, then they suck at driving.

 

[JeRmZ]

I'm not saying that turbo is better or SC is better, I just think that it would be something different than the norm ... which is turbo! and it never fails with you turbo guys always bashing on anything different! so I'm trying to pull his reasonings about why he thinks a turbo is better and more efficient! I personally don't see any difference except for the spooling method! One is mechanical one is electrical! If anybody can shed some light on PROS and CONS (for the SC) I would appreciate it!

 

[myeclipse999]

Originally posted by top_end95
i really hope dis is legit b/c it would be really nice!!!but the thing is the guy that got the email is different from the one posted on dsmtalk and the s/c is a different trim........anyone else notice this??? and the thomas knight guy or wutever isnt sure about the parts needed to make the kit work. i personally would like to see pics of the s/c and all the exact specs of the s/c

I agree with you on this

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by JeRmZ
One is mechanical one is electrical!

what? electrical? no... both are mechanical.. one runs off exhaust gas, (turbo) and one runs off the crank. (supercharger)

 

[top_end95]

heres a pic.............its off a avenger, heard the guy had to spend a pretty penny to make it fit tho........gotta admit it looks nice

 

[top_end95]

oh yea battery had to be relocated to the trunk for obivious reasons

 

[top_end95]

just found out this isnt the TKT SC, so i have no clue wut it is but i got it from www.2gnt.com

 

[JeRmZ]

top end ... which one isn't ^^^^^ that one?

The one from TKT is electrical, runs on batteries... from what I can get out of the site! I don't know ...

 

[top_end95]

no clue im trying to figure out where that picture actually came from....

 

[pilotleston]

I guess that some of the guys here are talkig about a SC driven by en electrical motor. That´s why there is a paragraph talking about battery charge up there.

 

[JeRmZ]

yeah the one from www.boosthead.com is ran on an electrical motor ... that's what I have been trying to say! now whether or not it's legit is a different story!

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by top_end95
no clue im trying to figure out where that picture actually came from....

That picture above from what I hear is like 2 yrs old. The person who had the car, csutom made one, but had engine problems due to it, and had to remove it.

 

[BlueMoonEclipse]

HMMMMM

i visited the site of the suposed electrical supercharger.......seems like his numbers arent at all right...(the gains were too big for the amt. of boost)

Dangit canot find my centrifugal supercharger efficiency/boost/rpm graphs to analize what kind of control for an electricaly driven supercharger would be needed to run optimal boost 2k rpm to fuel cut....

Still think a turbo might be the lightest, most efficient way to add boost to a car....since u tapping into exhaust energy that u would not harness...although it creates a lil restriction on the exhaust from the engine

Regarding superchargers not being able to be intercooled...it is possible...u gota use an air to water intercooler and even then it might be in need of a lot of custom fiting, removal of batery and more

If someone is able to give me some charts of centrifugal superchargers (or turbo compresor graphs) id much apreciate it...... idealy in CFM

 

[TRUSTEDONE2003]

i've been trying to find out some more info on this eaton supercharger but nobody will send me back anything. if any of you get any real pictures and updated info on this please send it to me. i want one!!

... thanks, trust

 

[Initial DSM]

This ones cheaper but... http://www.electricsupercharger.com/

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse
HMMMMM

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Regarding superchargers not being able to be intercooled...it is possible...u gota use an air to water intercooler QUOTE]
not true.. ive seen many superchargers with air to air coolers..

 

[BlueMoonEclipse]

yes the air to air setup is possible...

as long as u aint using a roots/eaton type SC..yah it can be done but it takes space..as long as u willing to moove things around.....thats what i was refering to...btw if you gona use a Centrifugal SC u might as well use turbo...u get the lack of low end torque of a roots, eaton or lysholm type SC ..and u dont get the massive amt. of boost possible with a turbo...the worst of both worlds...

Turbo>SC

 

[DSM-ZERO]

What if you Supercharged it and Turbocharged it it would be a twin charged system you would not have to worry about turbo lag, and youwill have more boost since the turbo can up the boost alot eaiser than switching out pullys. I think that would be bad ass.
What do you all think????

 

[TRUSTEDONE2003]

according to thomas knight @ boosthead.com the kit is now available to supercharge the 420a!! it'll cost ya at least 2500 bucks for all the parts and that's with used & remanufactured parts. but he sent me some info stating he custom builds the manifold to fit a 92-95 gm/eaton series one s.c. so in fact it can be done. you can only run 5 to 7 psi of boost with stock internals. i suppose if you had an extra 5k layin' around you could get yourself a howell stroker with a s.c. and a nice fuel setup. sounds like a nice setup for autocross!! ...trust

i drive a with a hamster in it!! :laugh:

 

[DSM-ZERO]

If you had a twin charged system you could use a air to water intercooler it would be more efficent than an air to air you probley could use booth?? can you use a air to liquid and an air to air intercooler?????