Super Charger?

[spooner_dee]

I know of course we have the turbo's and the Nitrous and such, but has anyone ever actualy put a full blown belt driven super charger on an eclipse? I know super chargers are a parasitc HP gain (meaning its belt driven by the engine so while giving power it also robs a small amount of power to drive the belts which drive the super charger) but you get more response with a super charger cuz you dont have to wait for it to spool up right. But i also know you get more power from a turbo then a super charger, atleast in most cases. Just wondering if anyone ever tried it and if it worked for them. And i dont mean those electric super chargers ive seen them advertised but not enough of a gain to really bother with.

 

[Gorkoracing]

There is one picture of an eclipse with a supercharger on it that i know of. This is the only one ever done as far as I've seen. If i remember right there were problems with it and he took it off. It looks dang good from the pic tho. I'll try and dig it up.
Here is a post my friend Lane made when he was going to go with a SC and wanted to know if it'd work, he sold his rs tho. I couldnt find that pic tho
http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=32&topic_id=648&mesg_id=648&page=

 

[kelvinb]

ebay sometimes lists one. its like 1500-2000 or osmething. its a piece though dont get it

 

[RandomHero]

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eaton supercharger on a 420a

 

[miamieclipse]

there is only 1 eclipse who has one in his car, he lives in Naples, Florida.

I spoke to him various occasions, he puts down 415whp he said the kit would be good if there were more eclipse's out there with them. I was looking to get one but after speaking with him well i bought a wet kit. The reason, he said that it is difficult to tune as no one knows much of the system. He recomnded against me getting it because this is my daily driver and he said the car is down sometimes..............well i will give him this link to post his thoughts.

-Mike

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

I have seen 2 around here with Vortech centrifugal kits from Ripp Mods on them. They are 3rd gen V6s tho. Ripp Mods told me that they will not try to make a 420a kit b/c there is not enough room. Looking at the 2 cars, we have just as much room as it takes up for the 3rd gen. If I had time and money, I'd try and SC my car just to have it done. The driveshaft could run in a pipe like the 3G kit and go under the radiator hose, and clear the header. Get a bigger belt, hook it all up. VOILA. The only thing that might require modification would be the stock airbox mounting point and the fuse box. You could just eliminate all the "stacked up" airbox remnants and mount your fuse box lower. Probably harder than it sounds. I think a centrifugal unit would work, though. I think I remember seeing pics of that before also. I just looked. They make a 4G64 kit apparently. The 2000+ I4 motor. www.Rippmods.com

 

[Defiant]

eaton supercharger on a 420a

But is that one just sitting there? Notice there's no drive to it, no intake, and I see a couple of backed-out bolts.

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

But is that one just sitting there? Notice there's no drive to it, no intake, and I see a couple of backed-out bolts.

That wouldn't be able to work. That's just somebody showing that they have too much time and money. The pulley would be hitting the tower, or it'd be close. And without stiff motor mounts, that SC would be smacking the firewall. No belt, and yes, backed out bolts.

I have, however, seen a centrifugal SC on a 420a eclipse online before. It WILL work.

 

[spooner_dee]

Whats the difference between a super charge and a centrifugal Super charger, i didnt know there was 2 different kinds. And mike you said that this guy recomended against one if its ur daily driver? cuz my car is a daily driver i need it every day all day long, the last thing i need is to get that done and have my car constantly down on me, So its basicly not even worth the effort unless i have serious time to sit and play with it alot to get it right then? Im tryin to find a way to get some extra HP not like crazy numbers just around 180 or so would make me happy i have a NA and im not really lookin to go nitrous any suggestions since the super charger seems to be out of the question. And yes i know a super charger would of given me alot more hp then 180, im just trying to look at all angles here is all. spanks for the info guys.

 

[BumpinTitaniums]

The one guy who did put a centrifugal SC on his 420A kept snapping belts because he cheaped out on the driveshaft and it flexed, which puts a lot of tension on the belts. It would do the same thing as when you let your clutch out too fast and it starts skipping - eventually it will catch and mess some shit up.
The system can be done. Relocate the battery and a lot of piping and you might find space on the drivers side (not likely). I want to try it, but I don't have anything here to mock up with.

 

[Nitsud]

The car with the eaton supercharger is a kit from Thomas Knight Superchargers. Check em out at http://www.boosthead.com. The kit cost a heck of a lot more than any decent turbo kit, but hey if it works, it's better than N/T!

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

There are several types of SCs. There are roots type blowers, which replace the intake manifold. Screw types... not really sure how those work. D'OH! Then there are the more common centrifugals. (more common on 4 cylinder imports) Centrifugal SCs look like a turbo. They sit in the engine bay and connect to the TB by a hose. The wheel is connected to a driveshaft, which runs across the engine bay (usually) or to the pulleys. A pulley is on the end of the driveshaft. The belt is replaced by a longer one, which turns the SC pulley, driveshaft, and makes boost.

 

[99rs]

http://www.rippmods.com/templates/template1.asp?pclId=15&menuId=2

Look at this link and tell me what you think. The way it looks it is really close to our 420a setup. does anyone know if it would work?

 

[na90dsm]

totaly wont work, everythign to that car was custom.


dude go to prochergers web site, get there self contained supercharger, get it shaft driven with a whole under drive belt setup and tune the fuel. all will be custom, itll be expensive, itll still somewhat lag liek a turbo and it cost the same.

just go turbo man, superchargers are nice but if its the same as a turbo id just do the turbo swap

 

[Ballin' GS]

But is that one just sitting there? Notice there's no drive to it, no intake, and I see a couple of backed-out bolts.

Ok good, i was looking REAL hard for a belt, glad i know i can still see right.

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

totaly wont work, everythign to that car was custom.


dude go to prochergers web site, get there self contained supercharger, get it shaft driven with a whole under drive belt setup and tune the fuel. all will be custom, itll be expensive, itll still somewhat lag liek a turbo and it cost the same.

just go turbo man, superchargers are nice but if its the same as a turbo id just do the turbo swap

A belt-driven supercharger will lag? That's news to me.

 

[kelvinb]

A belt-driven supercharger will lag? That's news to me.

yea i dont think its gonna lag, but it will be based off how fast the motor is turning. i really dont think there is gonna be any lag

 

[98GSat]

PROchargr superchargers are centrifugal.......centrifugal superchargers do have lag....bc they wind up like a turbo your engine belt spinns the gear connected on the back and it winds the compressor but....it's like on a bicycle..the lower the gear the faster your ffet move but u dont move faster....the higher the gear the more resistance so ur bike goes faster with a harder push.........it winds it up like a top in centrifugal spchrgrs my friend has one from RIPP.......it does HAVE LAG

 

[NyteDSM96]

supercharger: takes hp to make hp

turbocharger: pulls hp outta its ass



140 hp is not enough hp to drive a supercharger to its full potential. superchargers are meant for bigger engines such as the supercharged mustangs. the supercharged nissan titan. etc. a 2.0l wouldnt be a safe bet for a supercharger.

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

It's belt driven. The belts turn with the motor. Boost is made at idle. It may not be much, but it won't lag. I've never heard of SC lag.

 

[na90dsm]

supercharger: takes hp to make hp

turbocharger: pulls hp outta its ass



140 hp is not enough hp to drive a supercharger to its full potential. superchargers are meant for bigger engines such as the supercharged mustangs. the supercharged nissan titan. etc. a 2.0l wouldnt be a safe bet for a supercharger.

not true. this is why they make underdrive pulley gears for SC. if you reduce the effort the motor has to make by putting a underdrive main gear on your SC itll take less effort to turn SC.

same principal as a underdrive crank pulley.

 

[NyteDSM96]

not true. this is why they make underdrive pulley gears for SC. if you reduce the effort the motor has to make by putting a underdrive main gear on your SC itll take less effort to turn SC.

same principal as a underdrive crank pulley.

well obviously u could add a lot of things to make the supercharger work better. however, we're speakin of just a super charger alone, or at least dats wat i was speakin of, not addin obx pulleys or anythin. but it would take a lot more work in order to make the super charger push out as much hp as a turbo. beside the fact dat a supercharger will work on the press of the accelerator, i dont see much of an advantage in usin a supercharger.

 

[9D9 MITSU RS]

A freaking SC includes a pulley. Pulley size regulates boost.

 

[kelvinb]

A freaking SC includes a pulley. Pulley size regulates boost.

only way to get more boost is to get a bigger pulley. stupids!

 

[NyteDSM96]

only way to get more boost is to get a bigger pulley. stupids!

exactly