Shop trying to pull fast one... 1g Head Vs. 2g Head

[bling5tatus]

Yeah on second thought i'd be pissed and want my head back too.... but either way... I just traded a 1g head for a 2g head... what you do NOT want to do is port the 2g head's intake ports to match a larger 1g manifold... that would be murder on a good part.... so find a 2g intake or an evo3/rvr intake.... or get your other head back... but don't use a 1g intake on a 2g head... look at the intake ports on the head and the flange on the 1g intake and you'll see why.

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

you think I could slightly round the edge off on each intake port so there isn't a flat wall?

I don't want to port it all the way in, just get the sharp/flat ridge out?

 

[the_mork]

Nope. That would ruin a perfectly good head. Even minor port matching can ruin flow and cause unexpected turbulence. It MIGHT help you get a bit more performance while your rocking the 1g I/M but it will only hurt you when you switch to a 2g I/M. You can probably sell your 1g I/M for more than you'll pay for one from a 2g or perhaps even make an even up trade with somebody that has had a few DSMs. An hour with $10 in tools from Harbor Freight to port the tb inlet and you'll have a rockin setup.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Just go get your head back.

"You will need to use your 6 bolt head studs and drill the headstud holes in your head from 11mm to 12mm. Another thing that's not so awesome about the head swap is the 6 bolt head studs nuts (some) will hit the valve springs. You have to hold the head off the block and start the ones that hit first. Its not that bad but still sucks." - Paraphrased from some random online source.

A 2g head is a fine piece of machinery but are you willing to dick around with new manifolds/half-assed port jobs and enlarging the head stud holes?

Seriously, forget all this mismatching intake manifold crap, go get your head back.

 

[bling5tatus]

to offer a contrary opinion... it's totally worth the swap if you go through the trouble. Ask me how I know.

 

[MichaelSuch]

I spent $230 for the shop to rebuild my head and check it out. I had him put in new seals (which I bought and brought to him) and he cleaned it, checked all the valves (found that 2 were kinked), pressure tested it and did a valve job... So $300 isn't too much depending on what all they do to it...

 

[link16]

I would want my origional head back. You deserve it as it sits, they did the work for free, that is their fault for being reckless. If we fix a car on accident at my dealership we don't break it again, no tech wants to redo work. Go back and demand your head back at that moment. Atleast in MD law they are required to do so.

Just my .02

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

I guess I'm gonna stay with this intake manifold and then when I have the rebuild done I might have my hands on a intake manifold.

And the shop replaced most of the valves, refreshed valve seats and decked the head. Still seems like $300 is alot. I'm going with standard sized SS valves and upgraded valve seals. If I would have brought them those parts and they put them in I would have paid them.

But for them to go ahead and fix it. I dropped it off 730am and then called the next day at 9am. They just went ahead and fixed it, never called to ask me if I OK the repair. I just wanted to know if it had bent valves and the head was flat.


thanks for the help guys!

 

[twack]

bottom line is they have an item that belongs to you, you only wanted them to check waht was wrong they went to far and did work without a contract hoping that you would be forced to pay, MECHANIC SCAM. When that didnt go as planned he gave you a junk head that may have more problems then your original head. The law is on your side and you need to go back tell them you want your property back emediatly.

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

thanks twack..... I'm on your level. I just want to go back and say listen, you gave me the wrong head, take out all the valves Idk, I'll buy new ones. Just give me my head back, its a 95-96 head, its got the wrong cam set up and my intake manifold don't match up this head aint gonna work. Either I need a 91-92 head or mine back.

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

Ok, been searching around. I have found out that if my 1g ARP's fit the head, then maybe I have a hyundai head.


Can someone clean this up for me??

The ARP's fit, the ports are smaller. There is a plug in the CAS spot, whole's drilled for the cam sprocket side for a CAS.

I need to know what to do with this head?

Are the cam ID's the same if its hyundai? cam's A and C?

please I need more help. This place is playing hard ball, I don't know what to say to get them to give me my old $hit back.


OR like the guy said on the phone, I have a few galant head sitting here. Thats when I told him I need a 1g head back.

Then when I got there he is like yeah, just remove the plug for the CAS and your good to go. I was like are you sure this is a 91-92 head, he's like all the head are the same up to a 2g. Then I get home and it looks like a 2g with 1mm oversize ports for Head bolts.

thankz

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

someone please, I need to know about this head maybe being a Hyundai head or galant head. Cause then I need to know where to go from there.

 

[fwdmaster]

someone please, I need to know about this head maybe being a Hyundai head or galant head. Cause then I need to know where to go from there.

There is a number/letter on the side of the head,what does it say on it?Any pics?

 

[turboglenn]

If they accidentally fixed YOUR head, shouldn't you have gotten YOUR head back fixed? or did you not want to pay the parts bill? I'm having trouble understanding that part. I know you've got a 2g head there, but why could you NOT get YOUR head if it was "fixed"?

Sounds like they are taking you for a sucker IMO, i wouldn't let it happen and i damn sure wouldn't go back if they are actually trying to pull that on you. Something's fishy and i'm not saying you did anything wrong to deserve to get screwed over, but you should really question what the shop is doing before you let them get over on you. By way of the law ( if it came to it ) the shop would be in the right iuf you excepted the head they gave you and left without making some sort of written agreement about what you are to get and for how much.

Good luck with this... Even though some say the 2g head is better i'd still rather have a 1g any day of the week.

As for what to do with that head, tell them you want yours back and he can do what ever he wants with that one, but if your wording was right, they can't tell you that you can't have YOUR head because they "accidentally worked on it". If they fixed and you didn't tell them to and they are trying to keep your head because they are saying they put money into it they are definitely screwing you over. You mihgt have to pay for the parts in the head if you want them but there's nothing to stop you from getting your head back because if they didn't know what head they were supposed to work on and which ones not to work on or fix then that would be their fault for not paying attention to what they are doing in the line of running their business and you are entitled to get your head back. Unfortunately shops that pull this type of sh!t also have a way of pulling up fake documents or working that head into a receipt some where to make it look like it's not yours, you never owned it or that they did what you wanted and that you can't have the head until you pay the bill, and they will most likely win that in small claims court because of it. When dealing with people, shops,, etc... get receipts that say exactly what you're getting and exactly what's been paid and what's owed. I'm stating all of this because i'm under the impression you want your head back and don't like being stuck with what they gave you, so i'm trying to fill you in from experience on what to expect during the course of trying to get things right.

EDIT: By the way, 300 for that head isn't bad. I've paid 450 for a 4g63 head to get completely celaned, tested and then rebuilt and it was like new and i don't regret spending that money to this day, i just wish i had spent more for the 1mm over SS valves

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

I just wanted them to check the head, let me know if it was bad, good. What valves needed to be replaced and I was gonna have them hot tank it and mill the head. I was gonna do all the work myself.

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

Ok, I went and got the head from my dads house and took pictures. Here ya go. I can't seem to find anything on a head casting of Y35

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There is alot of rust in the coolant

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I would also like to know what you guys think the shape of this head is in.

 

[turboglenn]

I"m sure some one here will be able to tell you what those markings correspond with, but the head looks ok, about like a typical junkyard head. What worries me is the things that look like scorch marks on the cam lobes. It almost looks like that heads been run low on oil or without for a minute. I would also pop a couple of cam caps off and inspect the journals on them as well. Post better pics of the surfaces if you can

 

[the_mork]

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I may be wrong but look closely at the ports, that almost looks like a Hyundai 4g63 head.

Hyundai intake manifold. I couldn't find a picture of the head ports quickly.

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[GSXeclipsePSI]

I kind of figured by the intake port size, now that I have it in front of me, its not as bad as the 2g. So I will take a few pics really quick. The cameras flash screws it up.

So what do I do now.. If its a Hyundai head?

The cams mean the same thing?

And the cam lobes your talking about, the caps check? Am I looking for hot spots or something else?


Ooh and to people that want to rent the tool from AutoZone to remove valve springs, the claw style (OEM Brand 27040) doesn't work on are head.



I cleaned up some oil to see better. They all look like this.

Exhaust

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Intake

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Exhaust

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Intake

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[toofast82]

I would call the Better Business Bureau and report them. Most likely they will be calling you to give you the correct one back.

 

[turboglenn]

Yea, work on getting yours back and forgett about the hyundai head. YOu don't have to do anything special to use it, but you'd be really screwing up to let them walk all over you and just take nad use that head..get yours back!!!!!

 

[toofast82]

Plus he mentioned that they just did repairs on it without asking
I wish i had pics, cause the shop by me sends the head back looking bling-bling and looks like a new casting for $300
Call BBB

 

[thewraith]

No offense meant here but maybe this is necessary. You sound like you're really ignorant and the shop is taking you for a fool. You took your head in to have it inspected. They f'd up and did the job, they should pay for it. Call BBB or the police up and simply tell them that the shop is holding your part. This is like taking a supra for inspection, the shop f'ng up and rebuilding the engine, then them giving you an eclipse in exchange. Or better yet, fixing it then telling you that it will either cost you $20k or you take another car. One thing I do agree on thou is that if you're willing to pay the $300 just pay it and get the new ready head, that's a good price.

 

[GSXeclipsePSI]

Calling the BBB wont do anything. I had gotten my car robbed in NJ. The shop tired everything to not replace my parts stolen. They gave me false dates of pickup(illegal), never gave me a broken down bill(illegal) tired charging me storage fee's when car wasn't complete(illegal) broke off my rear windshield wiper (wasn't allowed by police to make a police report). With all that, I got the commissioner of the NJ DMV on the phone and all he was able to do was have storage fee's removed due to not telling me the car wasn't complete on pickup. I followed through with a letter to DMV to have his shop license revoked, I filed with BBB and they said they can't do nothing (I have that it writing). I called the BBB and did a report on them. The most the BBB can do in this case and post a report on there web page about the shop or shops giving them a BAD rep with the BBB. If they shop isn't part of the BBB list of GOOD BUSINESS SHOPS they really don't do anything OR at least in my cases.

2nd off, I have tired with them. I'm not gonna keep trying, the machine shop is an hour away, I took it there cause they were recommended by my friends father that owns a shop here in FL. The guy is stubborn, I pick and choose my fights. I took the head from him and brought it home, I don't think there is more I can do now.

This is what happens when your a 24 year old walking into a place that has no respect for young people having knowledge in something the shops been doing for 35yrs.

Unless I have printed paperwork proof when I went there, he was able to talk his way out of every point I brought up about the head nothing looking to be the same.

And for someone who said its not clean. RIGHT this is a USED head he gave me back since they have MONEY invested in my head. I asked him to remove the valves they replaced and I would pay for HOT TANK and resurface but that was it. He said NO.

My head was there, right next to the one I picked up. It was brand new looking but not in my price range. I have a local that would have hot tanked and resurfaced for $75 and I was gonna prep it. I am putting the valves and stuff in myself. So yea $300 to me is too much. I'm looking at under $200. I still have a bottom end that needs pistons etc.

 

[JusMX141]

Your biggest problem would be the 2g head NOT fitting over the 6bolt studs. 2g studs were 1mm smaller than the 1g studs, so the head would have to be machined to fit over the larger studs anyway.

I recently installed a 2G 7-bolt head (smaller ports) on a 1G 6-bolt for my buddy's non-turbo daily driver and didn't have to machine the bolt holes bigger. The head was from a '95, if that makes any difference.


Something definitely seems suspicious if you took them a head with big ports and they gave you back one with smaller ports. They probably sold your head to an unknowing customer for his Hyundai and told him it was ported.