2G Part Number for 2G Rear Trailing Arm Bracket

[GJP396]

Hi - I recently picked up a 1998 Talon Tsi AWD and the rear trailing arm brackets are pretty rusted. I'm wondering if anybody ever was able to find a part number to order these 2 parts directly (the actual bracket and the reinforcement piece) from one of the Mitsubishi parts sites? I looked through the 97-98 Parts Catalogue and didn't see these called out unless they are part of the side member (which is pretty pricey). The picture isn't of mine, its from a repair video on YouTube. Hoping for an easier solution than fabricating these parts or finding them on a body somewhere.

Thanks,
Greg

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[Mello]

I found this which may help. I believe the trailing arm bracket is part of the rear floor support weldment subassmbly. If this is correct the part number would be MB959265 four wheel drive, left & MB959266 four wheel drive, right.

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[DSSA]

I found this which may help. I believe the trailing arm bracket is part of the rear floor support weldment subassmbly. If this is correct the part number would be MB959265 four wheel drive, left & MB959266 four wheel drive, right.

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Which are long ago discontinued (like most other body parts for these cars).

You'd be *HIGHLY* unlikely to find them new at this point. Your best bet is getting them out of a donor car.

 

[GJP396]

Thanks for the quick reply Mello, that breakdown of the side member was what I was missing from the 97-98_EagleTalonPartsCatalogue.pdf that I downloaded on here. Curious where you got that extra detail?

DSSA, I'm curious why you say they are discontinued? A search of the above part numbers seems to produce a good number of hits, although the prices including shipping aren't cheap. All the part numbers I've identified seem to be orderable:
Outer Rocker: MR273325
Outer Rocker: MR273326
Side Member: MB959265
Side Member: MB959266
Side Rail: MB959240 x2
Quarter Panel: MB959319
Quarter Panel: MB959320
Inner Rocker: MB959249
Inner Rocker: MB959250

But those parts alone total around $1500 without shipping at the cheapest spot I found. The outer rockers in particular are quite expensive at almost every spot, so I'm hoping to find a car with a similar profile that does have repro's available and potentially cut those in. Just starting that thought process though.

I agree donor car may be ideal, just not many low rust cars around here in Michigan.

Thanks again,
Greg

 

[bigfred]

There are some sites that are located in Japan that have all kinds of parts for our 2G's but like stated those parts are outrageously high. Fender liners used to be in supply everywhere but now you can't find a single one new that fits the GST or GSX but you can get them from Japan but they are 3x the price.

 

[DSSA]

Th

There are some sites that are located in Japan that have all kinds of parts for our 2G's but like stated those parts are outrageously high. Fender liners used to be in supply everywhere but now you can't find a single one new that fits the GST or GSX but you can get them from Japan but they are 3x the price.

This is rumor. If they *DO* have them, it's because they have a private warehouse and they played the lottery buying up parts and sat on them for years. That said, I think you're seeing people with outdated inventory lists.

They are not "buying them from Mitsu". They don't have "special access" to things that dealers in the U.S. do not. Either they're private companies with some inventory they've held on to, or they simply are using outdated inventory lists. If Mitsu has it in Japan, it's available to U.S. dealers as well (although it will take time to bleed down through the shipping channels).

 

[bigfred]

Th

This is rumor. If they *DO* have them, it's because they have a private warehouse and they played the lottery buying up parts and sat on them for years. That said, I think you're seeing people with outdated inventory lists.

They are not "buying them from Mitsu". They don't have "special access" to things that dealers in the U.S. do not. Either they're private companies with some inventory they've held on to, or they simply are using outdated inventory lists. If Mitsu has it in Japan, it's available to U.S. dealers as well (although it will take time to bleed down through the shipping channels).

Yeah what I stated was meant to say that they were still able to get the parts from Mitsu. It was only meant that they had parts for our cars at a rare part price (High as hell) since they own they abundance of parts that we still need and can't get from Mitsu.

 

[DSSA]

Thanks for the quick reply Mello, that breakdown of the side member was what I was missing from the 97-98_EagleTalonPartsCatalogue.pdf that I downloaded on here. Curious where you got that extra detail?

DSSA, I'm curious why you say they are discontinued? A search of the above part numbers seems to produce a good number of hits, although the prices including shipping aren't cheap. All the part numbers I've identified seem to be orderable:
Outer Rocker: MR273325 : Obsolete/Discontinued
Outer Rocker: MR273326 Obsolete/Discontinued
Side Member: MB959265 Obsolete/Discontinued
Side Member: MB959266 Obsolete/Discontinued
Side Rail: MB959240 x2 Obsolete/Discontinued
Quarter Panel: MB959319 Obsolete/Discontinued
Quarter Panel: MB959320 Obsolete/Discontinued
Inner Rocker: MB959249 Obsolete/Discontinued
Inner Rocker: MB959250 Obsolete/Discontinued

But those parts alone total around $1500 without shipping at the cheapest spot I found. The outer rockers in particular are quite expensive at almost every spot, so I'm hoping to find a car with a similar profile that does have repro's available and potentially cut those in. Just starting that thought process though.

I agree donor car may be ideal, just not many low rust cars around here in Michigan.

Thanks again,
Greg

Greg,

I corrected your quote above.

I say that they're discontinued due to them being discontinued by Mitsubishi, and after being in the parts business for these cars since they were still new on the dealer lots, I have my connections.

I started one of the first Mitsubishi online parts divisions back in 1996-1997 (Conicelli Mitsubishi). I've been involved with these cars ever since on a daily basis.

I cannot fully disclose my methods of "why I can say they're discontinued", but you can rest assured that I can.

You may find someone, somewhere that may have these parts in their possession, but it's not coming out of Mitsu's inventory.

The places that you see that are saying "we can get these parts" are most likely relying on bad data. In the U.S., there are basically 3 (mainly 2) companies that provide data that allows Mitsubishi dealerships with an online presence to populate websites. Been there, done that. Their charges are outrageous, and their data is often wrong. I had one running our old OEM catalog (JNZtuning.com) and we axed them after we lost hundreds of dollars on three parts in a week. We would submit corrections, and they wouldn't fix them for months.

Mitsubishi does *NOT* condone selling via websites, and doesn't make it easy to do so. They want dealers to sell to their locale and *only* their locale.

Prime example: This is a listing for a dealership that uses one of the "Big 3" for their online catalog:

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This is the timing belt that fits 1989-2005 4G63s. This belt currently is in stock in the U.S. with over 200 located at Mitsubishi warehouses and dealer inventory. Yes, most people buy the Evo IX belt at this point, but it's still available in high quantities.

The above covers Mitsu U.S. stock. Now, we'll touch of the "not in the U.S. inventory". I often get emails from customers saying "Well, Amayama, Partsouq, etc...say it's available!!!".

Been there, done that. All of those sites have dealers in Europe and Asia who rely on faulty data provided from dealerships they have connections with, who, in turn, probably rely on bad data as well. (EPCdata is the main source).

You can place an order with said places, wait while they hold your money, then in a month or two, you'll most likely get an email saying that the "data" they had was wrong, and that you'll be getting a refund. After dealing with said places for years, I'm inclined to thing that they make as much money sitting on *your* money (interest) as they do on parts sales. The latter part is just guessing after they've sat on thousands of my dollars for months...

End point. Prove me wrong. If you find some source that actually HAS those parts, feel free to come back here and rub it in my face (please tell me where you found them though!). I'll gladly eat my ego for an actual source of discontinued parts.

 

[GJP396]

Thanks for the detailed response DSSA. I didn't state in the original post, but I'm new to the DSM restoration world, so I'm just trying to get the lay of the land. Mostly messed with GM muscle cars previously (where you can try and decide which reproduction sheet metal part is higher quality), but my son wanted a Talon. Anyway, regardless of whether I found them anywhere, I certainly wouldn't be rubbing it anyone's face. Just for kicks, I took some of the parts listed above that one of the sites let me add to my cart and tried to checkout. It generated some kind of error and wouldn't let me check out, so pretty sure they're all a no-go like you said.

Take Care,
Greg

 

[DSSA]

I certainly wouldn't be rubbing it anyone's face.

You're taking that the wrong way---if you find a way to get those parts, I would *LOVE* to hear about it, and would gladly let you berate me about it! ;-)

My ego is certainly not large nor delicate. I'd gladly trade a little lashing to find new sources!

I can only share my experiences with obtaining parts for these cars over 25 years. While I probably know that aspect of these cars better than most, collective experience will almost ALWAYS best one individual's knowledge, and I'm always open to learning something new.

I envy your experience with getting GM parts. I wish it were the same with Mitsu parts.

That said, the one thing that I don't have a great grasp on is whether or not Mopar has some of these parts in old stock. I have a Mopar source as well, but it involves calling and asking them to run each part separately for me to check for old stock somewhere. I try to only use this method if I'm planning on buying up whatever remaining stock is out there--otherwise they would tire of this quickly.

You may want to contact a Chrysler dealer and have them run those parts for you stateside. It's grasping at straws as these parts have been gone for a long time now, but it's probably your best bet besides just cutting them out of a donor car.

Best of luck!

 

[randman2011]

About half of the orders that I have placed through Amayama and MegaZip have gotten cancelled because the parts are not, in fact, "in stock." Once they discover that they're discontinued and unavailable, their catalogs are updated. But that only happens one part at a time.

Also sometimes I place an order, pay for it, then get a notification that the price has doubled and I can either pay more money or cancel the order. And once they cancelled the order of a critical part because it had increased by $15 to $50. Please, just ship me the f***ing part! Amayama and MegaZip are both on my shit list, but I have to keep using them because they have a lot of stuff that is unavailable in the US and even after shipping they're usually a lot cheaper than buying stuff domestically. But my experience comes mostly from my five JDM imports. I've only ordered a handful of parts for the Eclipse.

 

[T bags]

Thanks for the quick reply Mello, that breakdown of the side member was what I was missing from the 97-98_EagleTalonPartsCatalogue.pdf that I downloaded on here. Curious where you got that extra detail?

DSSA, I'm curious why you say they are discontinued? A search of the above part numbers seems to produce a good number of hits, although the prices including shipping aren't cheap. All the part numbers I've identified seem to be orderable:
Outer Rocker: MR273325
Outer Rocker: MR273326
Side Member: MB959265
Side Member: MB959266
Side Rail: MB959240 x2
Quarter Panel: MB959319
Quarter Panel: MB959320
Inner Rocker: MB959249
Inner Rocker: MB959250

But those parts alone total around $1500 without shipping at the cheapest spot I found. The outer rockers in particular are quite expensive at almost every spot, so I'm hoping to find a car with a similar profile that does have repro's available and potentially cut those in. Just starting that thought process though.

I agree donor car may be ideal, just not many low rust cars around here in Michigan.

Thanks again,
Greg

You might have to take a road trip
I drove six hours to Kentucky for my first 1g tsi

 

[GJP396]

Just in case anyone was interested, I did end up getting parts for this from Miller Imports (now Kannapolis Auto Parts). They convinced me they could ship the quarters and rockers still attached together, I guess so they could charge full price for both cut outs. This didn't really work out since they didn't do a great job with the pallet and Central Transport destroys stuff, so the rockers ended up pretty bent where they meet the quarters. I posted a picture of the parts as arrived below if someone is interested, but please don't let them convince you they know how to ship something like this.

Anyway, I've been working with what I got and welding that together with unbent portions of the originals as possible. I'm maybe 1/2 done with the project, and attached a few photos below. In the picture of the car turned on its side, you can the lower half has the red parts that have been welded in. As I think others have mentioned, replacing the rear subframe rails, the quarters and the inner and outer rockers is a ton of work, so don't try this unless you're crazy or like doing it. It probably would be smarter to find a rust free car somewhere down south or out west instead of starting with a rust Michigan car.... Maybe by this summer, this '98 Tsi AWD 5spd will be back moving. I'll try to add some more pictures when it gets closer.

Thanks for everyone that chimed in,
Greg

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