NGR Performance???

[aCer_209]

has anybody ever heard of ngr performance? is anybody using their type-s bov?
i don't like shopping on ebay so what do you guys think? should i give it a shot?
eBay Motors: *NGR TYPE-S BLOW OFF VALVE, NEW AND IMPROVED TYPE S BOV (item 170297110818 end time Jan-31-09 14:55:18 PST)

 

[SFrymyah]

When i bought my NGR, i asked the same diaphragm question because i've got an Ebay Knockoff sitting here collecting dust. They said their supplier for their diaphragm won't allow individual sales of it unless you get the whole unit.

but anyhow, i'm running 20-25 psi on mine, no leaks and sounds awesome.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

When i bought my NGR, i asked the same diaphragm question because i've got an Ebay Knockoff sitting here collecting dust. They said their supplier for their diaphragm won't allow individual sales of it unless you get the whole unit.

but anyhow, i'm running 20-25 psi on mine, no leaks and sounds awesome.

It says on there home page that they are offering the NGR Diaphragms for sale separately now.

 

[JusMX141]

Because NGR's doesn't require a diaphram replacement...

Curious why they would offer the diaphragm for sale separately then if it never needs replacement? Hell if their product is that good they might as well go ahead and throw in a lifetime warranty for the price you pay....there's literally nothing else to fail on the valve unless you strip out the adjustment screw.

They said their supplier for their diaphragm won't allow individual sales of it unless you get the whole unit.

That sounds believable.

They probably just didn't want you to buy an eBay valve for next to nothing then install one of their super-duty diaphragms, basically building the same part for 1/3rd the price. That sort of thing tends to cut into exorbitant profits.

 

[jm1080]

Curious why they would offer the diaphragm for sale separately then if it never needs replacement? Hell if their product is that good they might as well go ahead and throw in a lifetime warranty for the price you pay....there's literally nothing else to fail on the valve unless you strip out the adjustment screw.



That sounds believable.

They probably just didn't want you to buy an eBay valve for next to nothing then install one of their super-duty diaphragms, basically building the same part for 1/3rd the price. That sort of thing tends to cut into exorbitant profits.

Seriously stop bashing a company you never dealt with if you never tried any of there products, there is no reason to hate. Diaphragms will never last forever, same with holset turbos, etc..

I for one bought their BOVs as well as others and there all positive reviews, there customer service is the best I have yet to see out of every other company/vendor I have dealt with.

I also tested the diaphragm on a knock off bov from punishment racing fmic kit I got and it worked, but did not whistle at all at any adjustment, it also felt like it did not seal correctly when tightening the bolts down (never boost leak tested), people buy it for the whistle, that is the reason I loved the Greddy one so much, I tried so much to fix the darn BOV and it never worked right (would always leak at idle). This one sounds amazing and does not leak, tested two days ago at 35psi and no leak and have ran it since they came out like 2years ago, that alone proves quality.

Yes you can buy 1g BOV for cheaper or Tial which is good too, but I chose this one because I love the sound, a BOV is a BOV..I been in my friends cars with different BOVs including Tial, but I love the sound of the ngr type-s bov, it all comes down to opinion regarding sound, if you do not like greddy/ngr type-s sound then do not buy this BOV obviously.

 

[JusMX141]

Seriously stop bashing a company you never dealt with if you never tried any of there products, there is no reason to hate.

I own a XS Power / TiAL knockoff that I plan on using on my AWD once it's complete. I bought it direct from XS Power's site for $50 shipped, and as soon as I got it I tore it down to make sure everything inside was tight (a common cause of failure on the knockoff TiALs).

The diaphragm in the XS Power valve is reinforced silicone, the same as the NGR diaphragm. It, too, is a well-built piece for the money, and was VERY affordable at just $50 shipped versus $200 or so for a Genuine TiAL....and all of the parts on this valve are interchangeable with TiAL parts (springs, diaphragms, etc).


I'm not bashing NGR personally, but I'm questioning what you're getting for the additional $100 over what the same valve sells for on eBay. It's obviously a knockoff casting, meaning NGR is not putting any R&D into design or making the valve any different aside from the reinforced diaphragm....and I doubt that part alone is worth the added $100.

It would be like me buying new knockoff 16G's and tearing them down, using Genuine parts inside, then rebalancing the rotating assembly and putting the turbo up for sale for $450; just $100 less than a MHI 16G. Would I sell any? You're still buying a knockoff, just an "improved" knockoff at not much savings over the Genuine item. Many would question my motive, which is exactly what I'm doing here.

If the valve works properly and you feel as though you got a good deal, then everybody wins.

 

[jm1080]

I see your point, I was skeptical at first too, when I bought a used Greddy Type-S, I bought it for a little over 200, I had to modify it like you do in the Tial knockoff, but this is the real Greddy you have to modify!

Now this NGR one, I did not have to modify at all, or do the single spring mod that Greddy had to use to make work properly. Neither did I use teflon, it uses an o-ring as a seal, so that is something new. I also compared internals with the knockoff that came with the Punishment Racing FMIC kit and yes it uses same exterior mold, but the internals are different, so there is R&D done in the internal area. Springs are different, diaphragm plate is different, the top (where diaphragm lips go) is different, diaphragm (of course), also the mold internally is different, every thing internally is differently from the Greddy and knockoff one, so you can tell the improvements they made as the valve operates faster and does not need the lower nipple or the one spring mod.

I even swapped all internal pieces from NGR to the other knockoff and the bottom hole, where valve sits did not fit properly, the top would not seal well with the diaphragm (the top is different as well). It would have a gap in between the top and bottom half of the BOV, even though diaphragm is in there to seal, it just would not look right, and on top of that it would not whistle even using the NGR internals. Trust me I was skeptical and wanted to see, which is why I did all the comparisons and that is why I support them and it is still cheaper than Greddy one used and other BOVs and you cannot buy a NEW Greddy Type-
S anymore.

By the way let me know when you have more hx35s, wish I never sold it to your buddy back then .

 

[4g63expert]

Thanks for the info jm1080 and as you said the ngr seems to just bolt on and work great without any adjusting.

I never owned an actual Greddy bov myself but I know quite a few people who had or have the Greddy type S and had to end up doing spring mods to get them to work right. Which is why I'm so impressed with the NGR

 

[Luke223]

Has anyone tried using this GReddy flange adapter on a stock 1g BOV flange.

Blow off Valve adapter, Greddy Type S/RS/R to Mazdaspeed6 TMIC (Now Shipping) : atpturbo.com (flange)

From this post it appears that the MazdaSpeed6 and 1g BOV flanges are the same.

The Everying DSM BOV Thread... - Mazda Forums (forum post)

I know you can just drill holes to mount the NGR BOV but this may look cleaner as an end result.

 

[tsi1991awd]

I had the black one but sold the car it was on. I have a 90 now with a knockoff Tial and it isn't working...just giving me a ton of compressor surge and not opening up.

I'm thinking of getting another NGR but check this out...
MAZDA RX7 RX8 626 BOV TURBO BLOW OFF VALVE TYPE S B30 : eBay Motors (item 290424965233 end time Apr-24-10 00:13:14 PDT)

That's a hell of a lot cheaper and it is the same exact casting as the NGR. If you look around on ebay, you will see other valves that aren't cast the same or ones that do not have the small recession in the top of the valve where the sticker goes. The valve I just linked above is the exact same cast as the NGR. The vacuum line connection at the top is exactly the same, the one at the bottom is exactly the same. Same color purple....even has the same exact blue tubing and mounting hardware that NGR will send you.

Auction states it was made by Vision Motorworks and is upgraded to prevent boost leaks and surge. Makes me wonder if it has the same exact diaphragm and everything as the NGR......if so, then hmmmmmmmmm....

 

[jm1080]

I had the black one but sold the car it was on. I have a 90 now with a knockoff Tial and it isn't working...just giving me a ton of compressor surge and not opening up.

I'm thinking of getting another NGR but check this out...
MAZDA RX7 RX8 626 BOV TURBO BLOW OFF VALVE TYPE S B30 : eBay Motors (item 290424965233 end time Apr-24-10 00:13:14 PDT)

That's a hell of a lot cheaper and it is the same exact casting as the NGR. If you look around on ebay, you will see other valves that aren't cast the same or ones that do not have the small recession in the top of the valve where the sticker goes. The valve I just linked above is the exact same cast as the NGR. The vacuum line connection at the top is exactly the same, the one at the bottom is exactly the same. Same color purple....even has the same exact blue tubing and mounting hardware that NGR will send you.

Auction states it was made by Vision Motorworks and is upgraded to prevent boost leaks and surge. Makes me wonder if it has the same exact diaphragm and everything as the NGR......if so, then hmmmmmmmmm....

Does look similar, but the top is different it is another knockoff, just went out to look at mine and it does not have the seal at adjustment screw, also look at the pics that show the BOV to the side where top meets lower half, it still uses the cheap black diaphragm like all other knockoffs. They even copied some of the description NGR uses. Guess they are trying to copy NGR too .

NGR makes their own internals including the diaphragm, which I highly doubt that company will use. When I spoke to them, they said they loved the old greddy type-s sound, that they wanted to rerelease it to public, so people can find them easier, so they reinvented the internals to create the whistle and improve BOV, they did R&D.

I also just found out their site is up:

---$5--- - NGR - NEXT GENERATION RACING - HOME

 

[Luke223]

Has anyone tried using this GReddy flange adapter on a stock 1g BOV flange.

Blow off Valve adapter, Greddy Type S/RS/R to Mazdaspeed6 TMIC (Now Shipping) : atpturbo.com (flange)

From this post it appears that the MazdaSpeed6 and 1g BOV flanges are the same.

The Everying DSM BOV Thread... - Mazda Forums (forum post)

I know you can just drill holes to mount the NGR BOV but this may look cleaner as an end result.

What about me?

 

[tsi1991awd]

Does look similar, but the top is different it is another knockoff, just went out to look at mine and it does not have the seal at adjustment screw, also look at the pics that show the BOV to the side where top meets lower half, it still uses the cheap black diaphragm like all other knockoffs. They even copied some of the description NGR uses. Guess they are trying to copy NGR too .

NGR makes their own internals including the diaphragm, which I highly doubt that company will use. When I spoke to them, they said they loved the old greddy type-s sound, that they wanted to rerelease it to public, so people can find them easier, so they reinvented the internals to create the whistle and improve BOV, they did R&D.

I also just found out their site is up:

---$5--- - NGR - NEXT GENERATION RACING - HOME

Good eye....I'm sure you could just buy the NGR diaphragm and stick in there and it'll be the same....

 

[DaisyTuner]

all details aside, ive had this BOV for a few months,(switched over from a turbo xs) and its great. sound isnt too whistlely for me, no boost leaks, and looks to be holding up pretty well under my 23 psi. highly recommended by me.

 

[jm1080]

all details aside, ive had this BOV for a few months,(switched over from a turbo xs) and its great. sound isnt too whistlely for me, no boost leaks, and looks to be holding up pretty well under my 23 psi. highly recommended by me.

You need to harden the adjustment screw more and it will sound a lot better, this is what I was told and it sounds just like the videos

Also tsi1991awd, it is just not the diaphragm the internal mold is redesigned and the internals are different, it will not whistle and since the top is different the diaphragm will not fit correctly. Trust me I tried this as well, but you can try it out maybe it will work for you.

 

[sprmotohooligan]

Joe at NGR gets a big from me for customer service. He answered my skeptical questions about their location and shipping very promptly and honestly. I then placed my order the same day for a purple valve. I got an e-mail from him within the hour about how they're out of the purple BOV's and they'll ship me a black one for free if I want it instead.

All this occurred yesterday, and Joe told me I should have my new BOV by Friday!

We'll see how she looks then.

 

[Boston]

NGR BOV's are NOT knockoffs. They ARE the Greddy Type S BOV but with a stronger diaphragm. That's why they look and sound exactly like a Greddy Type S. Obviously after modding the BOV, they can't sell it as Greddy, so that's why there is no sticker on top.

I have this same BOV on my GSX, no problems

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[RicciDSM]

How was shipment from them? I ordered my Purple-Top Type S last Thrsday (8/5) and I think it shipped this week. After it was sent out how long did it take for you guys to get yours? Im anxious to try it out haha

 

[1990 dsm turbo]

are these good and how long do they last ngr tpye s bov. thanks

 

[Aproductions]

You can look at the reviews, no need to bring this back. Anyways I have one and my experience is that the diaphram is stronger and doesn't leak like the older Greddy ones. Sounds good too (if you care).

Oh and also, its a BOV they last forever (maybe have to replace oring and diaphram but not likely)

 

[TSIMonsteR]

I've had one for over a year now. It doesn't leak and still looks like the day I bought it, even under daily duty. Sounds exactly the same, no flutter, just a clean blow off with the signature whistle.

I recommend this blow-off valve if you need a good recirc type valve. I have a TiAL on the eclipse, and it is definitely a better valve, (quicker, higher volume release) but for the price, the NGR is great and appeases the ricer within

 

[kchaazz]

I've had one for over a year now. It doesn't leak and still looks like the day I bought it, even under daily duty. Sounds exactly the same, no flutter, just a clean blow off with the signature whistle.

I recommend this blow-off valve if you need a good recirc type valve. I have a TiAL on the eclipse, and it is definitely a better valve, (quicker, higher volume release) but for the price, the NGR is great and appeases the ricer within

^^^ Ever pull off the recirc hose to ckeck and make sure the oring is still on the valve where it seats? Check it and let us know. I will post a pic when I get home to illustrate why Im asking this question, and just to be clear, Im not trying to bash anyone or begin a flame war; this just seems to be an issue with the knock offs. NGR included...

Alright, here are a couple pics showing where the oring has come off the valve seat and is now stuck on the shaft of the valve. You have to take the BOV apart to get the oring back on, only for the oring to come off again, and it leaks boost like crazy when it does. Im going to try an oring just slightly smaller on the inside diameter, and a higher durometer and maybe this will be solved...

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Mine's not recirc'd (never has been), so it should be easy to check.

I'll actually go check now. It held up to the last boost leak test I did, so I hope its still good

 

[jm1080]

Yea mine not recirculated and never had this problem. Mine still holds up and has been on since they first out. I DD with 27psi of boost. I know locals with this BOV and they are good. Buy an o-ring for that and fix it.

 

[Boomdeeze]

I run this BOV at 30 psi and have had no issues. Mine flutters but I have not taken the time to adjusted it to whistle.

 

[agarc023]

I like mine but it has developed a vacuum leak and lets out a whine on decel