Newbies please save our cars reputation.

[Warharan]

Once again I ws talking about powdercoating, not the typ of rims. You powdercoated to make them look good. Good job I think they do look good but what I am trying to say is that you did it for looks. When you powdercoated your rims do gain horsepower, no. When I put my bodykit on did I gain horsepower, no (other then it gave me more airflow to my intercooler) But thats what I wanted to do.

You seem to not understand his point. No one is saying you can't do things to make your car look good. Powder coating rims (which is the way to go over spray paint) and putting a hideous body kit on your car which never fits right and gets cracked at the touch of a curb are not the same things/ The latter doesn't look good. Having a clean looking car and powder coating your rims while tastefully color matching your car, does. Your argument is mute.

 

[AWDtsi1995]

You seem to not understand his point. No one is saying you can't do things to make your car look good. Powder coating rims (which is the way to go over spray paint) and putting a hideous body kit on your car which never fits right and gets cracked at the touch of a curb are not the same things/ The latter doesn't look good. Having a clean looking car and powder coating your rims while tastefully color matching your car, does. Your argument is mute.

Once again its all opinion. What if i like crap brown with a green racing stripe. Thats my opinion and if i like it, its going on my car.
You might think my bodykit is hideous, but i dont. thats the point.

 

[Warharan]

I spend a lot of time and money researching. Trying to get the best performance while saving up money to put quality proven parts on my car. Yes it's a hobby, it's also a passion. I research, talk to others, get opinions, give myself time to think it through when it comes to moding and building the car. Not only performance, but also to make a nice looking car that looks as great as it performs.

It's upsetting to see people like me, who have this passion and spend all this time, effort and money, get lumped into the same group as some jackhole who gets cheap crap, spray paints half his car, and sticks a bunch of ugly parts which don't fit right and are terribly designed which give the APPEARANCE of a fast car when the car is probably slower than stock due to all the weight of the extra shit (like body kits, etc..) and does not car about how the car actually drives.

People who aren't into cars can't sometimes see the difference. I've had people say, "oh the car is actually fast and performs well? I thought it was just made to look like it was fast." Yeah, so it does effect us all in a way. My car is my money and well... "Playing with my money, is like playing with my emotions, Smokey."

 

[97gstnick]

I laughed when I read what one of you guys said "to impress the clueless". I find that funny and true. If the only compliments you can get are from little kids and retards, you probably are a retard yourself.

 

[tsidrift1]

Rep just means that I know what I am talking about for the most part, and am somewhat helpful when someone has a problem.

In this case, I did not paint my aftermarket rims, they are properly powdercoated to match the rest of the car. I did not simply mount them for looks (as most rice kids do), but to hold the wider rubber they're wrapped in, as I tend toward technical driving and need the extra support. They're stepped up by one size (17") to allow clearance for a larger brake setup when I can afford the new rotors/calipers... and I picked a very minimalist rim. Nothing stupidly complicated or showy. Simple and strong, to suit my driving needs. A little heavier than I might have liked, though at the price there was very little comparable on all those points.

So as soon as you see me plaster a Combat wing or an Invader bodykit on, feel free to concern yourself and point out any inherent hypocrisy. Until then, do try to think before you type.



Moving on. Yes, when doing visual modifications a certain level is acceptable, and can be pulled off tastefully. Tasteful costs money. You might find a set of neon-blue racing seats on sale for $100 from some guy who just had his car totalled out. If you actually need them and don't care what the car looks like, go for it. Killer deal.
But if you're shelling out new, try to get something that'll even match the car a little bit. Take an art design class, learn how to match colors and deal with visual weighting, or get advice from others who DO have a sense of taste already. That Bomex Bigmouth kit and Vader hood might look awesome to you. That's all your decision on whether to slap it on or not. But don't be surprised if others in the community start laughing, or putting you down for your Riced & Curious 'design' decision, when the two grand could have re-done your suspension, fixed up your fuel system (including a bigger turbo), or countless other worthwhile mods, instead of focussing on the visual aspect to impress the clueless.

Much more fun to let your taillights say all that needs to be said. But look on the bright side.. at least they'll get to admire your 'awesome' body kit and hood in their rearview mirror.

Its the people like you that make me angry . You say screw the looks, throw the money into the car and the motor. But yet, I look at your profile and(unless it hasnt been updated), you dont have a lot of room to talk. You have the very basic bolt-ons done to your car. And a *KARKING* motor. What a great place to buy a motor what do they run, 1200 for the whole thing. I think the new MOTOR in my bodykitted *riced out* (as you call them) 1g is worth more than your whole car. I have a kit and I love it, but I also have the performance to back it up. There is nothing on your car that makes yours out-perform or look any better than mine. I can take this crap from guys that REALLY would out-perform me, but not you.

Anthony

 

[eldiabloz13]

What a pointless thread.

Everyone has there own style and what they like. So what does it matter to you? Thats the thing about customizing cars, its what you like and some people like to be different. So grow up and dont waste space on here.

EDIT: the main car in the first fast and furious was an eclipse. Even though it wasnt a turbo but it was still an eclipse.

Actually the main cars were the supra and charger. We saw the eclipse for less then 1/3 the movie.


To everyone else. Dont tell us this crap. Say it to the kids you see with this stuff. I agree with you all, but why would i take to it everyone who dosent give a shit. This enough just end this. Go out to all the ricers you hate. And tell them what you would here. Just to be fair ill go out right now to the street ricer kids and do the same.

 

[Talesin]

Doublepost. Yay for forum lag and impatience!

 

[Talesin]

Er, actually I just haven't updated my profile here in a year or two. The POS Karking engine blew within six months, and with their 500-mile warranty, I was left SOL. Had it rebuilt by another lowball special, and ended up blowing a piston... cracking it in three places. I learned my lesson well and truly after that, and bit the bullet. Heh. Updating my profile now, and the last line after 'karking engine' was 'rebuild after crappy karking engine blew'.

Currently I have an RRE-built and installed engine with all the goodies; dropped over seven grand to have it done up right. Yet to be seen if it'll hold up, but all signs so far point to yes. Could have taken some of that cash, gone to another shadetree and put on an ugly-ass bodykit to replace my cracked front bumper, but I put it where it counts, instead.

 

[tsidrift1]

Ok, its good you got that out of the way. you need to update your profile so everyone can see what you have. Cuase according to your profile your motor basically was stock, I just thought it was funny to hear a guy ranting and raving about performance with a stock motor, so you got me there. Still, though, I also have the performance to back up what you guys are calling "rice".

Anthony

 

[liquidnote]

Still, though, I also have the performance to back up what you guys are calling "rice".

Anthony

Lol see what i mean this is what i was talking about with that other guy at atco every one was pointing and name calling but when he ran that 11 it all got quite real quick ,

 

[surgeon_general]

why cant we all get alongggggggggg.

I swear DSM's are like being in highschool. there are like 3242545 groups of people with different ideas on how the cars should be.

its all about what you want.

 

[Talesin]

Heh. I call it being a bit lazy, to the point of forgetting. And I can understand how that'd be a bit silly... still need to do more to my own car in any case, once the money is there again.

As I'd said above. You can visually mod the car (keeping in line with constraints of good design) without going into rice. If you have money to throw at it, and are happy with the performance you lay down, there's no problem. You actually have the power to back up the claim made by the look of the car, and have quite a bit of money to throw. It's a personal opinion that the money spent on visual modifications is better spent on making the car either faster, or handle more nimbly.

The primary target of my bit of rant above is pointed at those who make the visual modifications the most important point in their minds. Look-fast instead of go-fast. Dropping a grand on lambo-style doors, rather than a FMIC or upgraded brakes. Tossing money into a garish paintjob, instead of upgrading their fuelpump and FPR.
If you've got enough cash to throw at the car that you have some left over to do superfluous visual mods, so be it. I'd much rather put all that available cash into making the car faster, so there isn't even a question.

Oh, and I'd still make fun of a DSM in the nines if it were blue with, say, a yellow racing stripe and wide yellow 'POWERED BY MITSUBISHI' banner across the top. Then again, clown cars make me laugh.

 

[AWDtsi1995]

Heh. I call it being a bit lazy, to the point of forgetting. And I can understand how that'd be a bit silly... still need to do more to my own car in any case, once the money is there again.

As I'd said above. You can visually mod the car (keeping in line with constraints of good design) without going into rice. If you have money to throw at it, and are happy with the performance you lay down, there's no problem. You actually have the power to back up the claim made by the look of the car, and have quite a bit of money to throw. It's a personal opinion that the money spent on visual modifications is better spent on making the car either faster, or handle more nimbly.

The primary target of my bit of rant above is pointed at those who make the visual modifications the most important point in their minds. Look-fast instead of go-fast. Dropping a grand on lambo-style doors, rather than a FMIC or upgraded brakes. Tossing money into a garish paintjob, instead of upgrading their fuelpump and FPR.
If you've got enough cash to throw at the car that you have some left over to do superfluous visual mods, so be it. I'd much rather put all that available cash into making the car faster, so there isn't even a question.

Oh, and I'd still make fun of a DSM in the nines if it were blue with, say, a yellow racing stripe and wide yellow 'POWERED BY MITSUBISHI' banner across the top. Then again, clown cars make me laugh.

I agree with you, but i have spent money on my bodykit, wing, lambo doors and about the same or more on my engine, trans, brakes, suspension. I have won many car shows and also have won many races. So I have the best of both worlds.

 

[liquidnote]

Oh, and I'd still make fun of a DSM in the nines if it were blue with, say, a yellow racing stripe and wide yellow 'POWERED BY MITSUBISHI' banner across the top. Then again, clown cars make me laugh.

That was funny as hell but I'm staying out of this one ill get the popcorn. AWDtsi1995 thats pretty awesome that you got both performance and you personalized your ride and that you compete

 

[Talesin]

Personally I'd rather win more races, and leave the car shows to those who can't drive.
After all, racing with a 'show quality' car is kind of stupid... if you overcook (happens to everyone now and then) or pick up a rock chip, you're looking at a huge repair bill for even a small scrape or dent to get back into the competative show side of things. Better to just toss a bodykit on an RS and trailer it around, keep it pristine to get best marks.

 

[tsidrift1]

I agree with you, but i have spent money on my bodykit, wing, lambo doors and about the same or more on my engine, trans, brakes, suspension. I have won many car shows and also have won many races. So I have the best of both worlds.

Two thumbs up for you. I am with you man. You and I both know how good it feels to win a car show and be fast.

Anthony

 

[AWDtsi1995]

Personally I'd rather win more races, and leave the car shows to those who can't drive.
After all, racing with a 'show quality' car is kind of stupid... if you overcook (happens to everyone now and then) or pick up a rock chip, you're looking at a huge repair bill for even a small scrape or dent to get back into the competative show side of things. Better to just toss a bodykit on an RS and trailer it around, keep it pristine to get best marks.

First off, AMS had I beleive all of their cars at hot import nights, showing there cars. And last time I checked they really know how to drive their cars.
I have had my car in the condition that its been for about 3-4 years, almost every saturday or sunday in the summer its at a car show. And 90% of the time I pick up first place. But I also have raced the car (not competition, just fun). I have never had to repaint or repair any body piece. And its still has a show car appearance.

 

[AWDtsi1995]

Two thumbs up for you. I am with you man. You and I both know how good it feels to win a car show and be fast.

Anthony

Your car looks a little familiar. Have you ever been to cars shows up in northern illinois or have you been to great lakes dragaway? I dont know where your town is at.

 

[Talesin]

Yep, and as a shop, AMS have to keep up appearances, so as to pull in more business. They also will 'retire' active competative racers into the show car circuit, when they've taken enough abuse.

Ah, so competative show, and 'fun' daily driving. I guess that could work, if you're focussed primarily on the looks of the car. (PS- Yellow painted stock calipers? Don't know whether to laugh or cry.)

 

[Flash]

I love when people put down the way others modify their cars. Skimming through some of these posts has made it really quite clear how to save our cars reputation. It begins with the owners.
Some people seem to have a bone to pick with how some DSMer's modify their car. Are they really that insecure with themselves? Does that build them up on the inside?

 

[Apeximprt2nr]

I didn't even bother to read all the comments, but just decided to add my worthless opinion..

If you ever go to a DSM meet, you will see the usual DSM trends. Most if not every single one of those cars there will have stock body, 1g and 2g. With any appearance modification done to a minimum usually being a cf hood, at most being a repaint of the car. Most of the money done for parts under the hood and with useful electronics. The odd car(s) out will be those with a kit. Why is this? It's just those unspoken, unseen, unwritten DSM traditions. Goes with the territory.

Sad to say, but thats just how it is, you add a kit of some sort, you become the minority. I of course have no problem with it, but you best believe you will be looked at differently.. sounds like society huh?

We live in a horrible world..

I could not have said it any better.

The reason bodykits are looked down upon in the DSM community is because, they just do not fit well with our cars. All of them look terrible, and make the car look ugly and cheap. 98% of the cars I know with bodykits have little to nothing to show for under the engine, it just happens to be that way.
Now, bodykits are not really frowned upon in the EVO/Supra community. Why? Because they actually look good, clean, and have the power to back it up.

On DSM's, I personally hate bodykits and think tehy are uber ###. To me, if you have a bodykit, wing, painted interior pieces, Z3 fenders, etc. you are a ricer that is my opinion.
Now for the 2% of the car that have bodykits that are not rice are a few EVO's and 1 GSX. The GSX is pushing over 400WHP and not to mention he put hte kit on cleanly and shaved off the rear wing; yes it looks nice.

But enough of my rant. I didn't want to post in this thread in the first place bceause I know it's just going to go on forever.

 

[Talesin]

Funny part is, you constantly hear people, not even within the community, but as a whole looking down on those who modify their cars to look fast, but leaving the internals stock. Never really hear anyone insulting those who make their car actually go fast. This is just an extension of that.

If you'd care to complain about people making their engines stronger and more powerful, I'll be more than happy to listen. But it's pretty hard to find stable ground to fire on that from, aside from the whole ecological-impact standpoint.

Also, on a whole, the community wants to be known for FAST cars. NOT for cars that just look pretty sitting there parked. That's what the 3G is for, and why it sold. Looked sporty. But I highly doubt any turbo-DSMer would give up their 4g63t for the six-banger offered in that... and why many refer to it as a disappointment, if not an outright shame to the Eclipse name.

 

[AWDtsi1995]

Yep, and as a shop, AMS have to keep up appearances, so as to pull in more business. They also will 'retire' active competative racers into the show car circuit, when they've taken enough abuse.

Ah, so competative show, and 'fun' daily driving. I guess that could work, if you're focussed primarily on the looks of the car. (PS- Yellow painted stock calipers? Don't know whether to laugh or cry.)

First of, when I was seventeen me and my dad painted them yellow for reasons I dont know. I kept them that color because it was the first thing me and my dad worked on together and just just never wanted to change it. So how about we grow up and stop acting like a child?

 

[AWDtsi1995]

I love when people put down the way others modify their cars. Skimming through some of these posts has made it really quite clear how to save our cars reputation. It begins with the owners.
Some people seem to have a bone to pick with how some DSMer's modify their car. Are they really that insecure with themselves? Does that build them up on the inside?

Talesin?

 

[Talesin]

Er, that's nice? They're still yellow-painted stock calipers.
And ad hominem attacks are incredibly mature. Please don't let this degrade into name-calling, I'm sure we're already running the ragged edge of a mod-lock as it stands.