New turbo from bullseye?

[GVR4592]

http://www.bullseye-power.com/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=148

Has anybody used this turbo or know of anybody that has used it? I'm assuming it wasn't intended for use on a gas engine, but bullseye made their turbine housing fit it. The compressor map looks pretty interesting too.

 

[matt97gst]

Interesting they were at SEMA. Hopefully they give us some real life #s and test results rather than making the customers find out on their own. I'm always happy to see new products coming out either way though.

 

[GVR4592]

I looked on the borg warner website (they are the manufacturer) and it says it's for commerical and industrial vehicles. From the looks of the compressor map and the statement on the website it looks like it's primarily for diesel engines. I don't think I have ever seen a compressor map with such a high pressure ratio and such a low lbs/min.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

i actually got to hang out with dave and dan at SEMA for a while and got the walk through with all these new turbos they got coming out. the maps i have seen and the numbers i have seen show that this S200 has some serious potential. i am talking to one of their reps about picking one up to try. should be pretty mean.

 

[Slowboy]

http://www.bullseye-power.com/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=148

Has anybody used this turbo or know of anybody that has used it? I'm assuming it wasn't intended for use on a gas engine, but bullseye made their turbine housing fit it. The compressor map looks pretty interesting too.

We will have five different turbos from them in our hands late next week for dyno testing, we will surely post results within 3-4 weeks.

Mike Huml

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

got some info to share with you guys so you see to help fill any cravings for knowledge.

So here are a couple of pictures for you all to see......

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Here is a compressor map for the S200 for you to check out. Looks pretty damn good.

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And Specs.....

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Hopefully this info can help answer some of your basic questions until some of us get a chance to do some real world.

Give it a fair shot folks and i think we will like these.

-Marti

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Keep this thread on topic. Anymore unfounded bashing will result in bans.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Keep this thread on topic. Anymore unfounded bashing will result in bans.

thanks man. tuners mod team is the best around.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

whats the hp rating on that s200? It seems to lose steam around 49lbs of air, netting only 70% efficiency rating. Or am i reading something wrong? Most importantly, whats the price?

 

[matt97gst]

$1099, see link in first post.

 

[JiggahMan]

Looks like a decent turbo, a nice replacement for the 20gs. With that huge compressor housing, I'm surprised it doesn't move more air though.

 

[drivemusicnow]

... I wouldn't neccesarily call less than 70% efficiency "losing steam" but to each there own. (heck there are popular turbos that people barely HIT 70 % and people swear by them) The problem I see is that at 50 Lbs per minute, and in its "peak efficiency", you're running almost 55 psi of boost...

I don't know how well it will do on a DSM... its just not made for them, dsms move a lot more air at those pressure ratios. I dunno, I'm interested to see the dyno numbers though. I just can't see it performing very well at all. Maybe I'm not thinking about this right though...(its been a long day)

I would guess that its made for a SMALL diesel, such as those in forklifts or something.. but thats just a guess.

 

[IPT]

Here is the T04E 50 map to compare to the S200.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Borg Warner rates the power at 320-480. Keep in mind the 50 is rated at 450 and we all know how that had done.

 

[Stapl3]

So it's bigger than the to4e 50 trim, but flows *maybe* a maximum of 480 opposed to the to4e's 450. What's good about that??

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

we have all know of cases where the 50 has done more than it's rating. This could also be a conservative rating. We'll see soon enough. It could be great. it could suck. I'm leaning towards the first of the two but either way we will know soon.

 

[Stapl3]

Why is it for sale if there is no information on it? Shouldn't the company be the gunni pig rather than the consumers?

 

[drivemusicnow]

Why is it for sale if there is no information on it? Shouldn't the company be the gunni pig rather than the consumers?

It doesn't matter.. anyone stupid enough to buy one for their own personal use probably wouldn't be making any power anyway. Slowboy and speedfactor are supposedly going to get some numbers, however I'm going to run some boost vs airflow numbers of some popular turbos and map those on the compressor map... I have a feeling they're all going to lie to the lower right corner of the map. But we'll see.

I honestly just don't think this turbo is setup for the airflow a DSM puts out. you basically can't run anything under 25 psi, and even then the airflow when efficient is far to low to make it effective on a DSM. Move the entire map to the right about 5-10 lbs per min, and we would be in business.

 

[GVR4592]

I agree with what everybody is saying about lots of boost to get good power but I think we should wait until we actually see some numbers so we don't piss the moderators off and get this thread closed.

 

[Stapl3]

If the vendor is making strong assumptions, I feel we should be able to also. This thread has already been cleaned once, I see no reason it can't stay open so long as it doesn't get too ridiculous. Most the posts so far have been questions and educated guesses. I don't see a problem with that.

 

[IPT]

Here is what I have noticed about the two different maps after looking at them.

The S200 at:

-- 15 psi will flow 14-50 lbs/min

-- 30 psi will flow 22-56 lbs/min

The T04E 50 trim at:

-- 15psi will flow 16-40 lbs/min

-- 30 psi will flow 32-44 lbs/min

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

If the vendor is making strong assumptions, I feel we should be able to also. This thread has already been cleaned once, I see no reason it can't stay open so long as it doesn't get too ridiculous. Most the posts so far have been questions and educated guesses. I don't see a problem with that.

very well said bud.

 

[drivemusicnow]

Hey Martin, I know this isn't exactly the place to do this, but i've sent you like 4 emails and never heard a reply... whats up with that? send me a PM or something

 

[Ludachris]

You know, we do have a 1/4 Mile list and a Dyno list (top nav bar). I can't wait to see some real world test numbers and see where they show up on our lists. Numbers don't lie. Let's see where the numbers fall and all of this guessing will be done with. We just changed the format to allow for turbo names to be specified in those lists as well, so now it will act more as a proving grounds.

That will do away with all of the theories. You know what they say about ASSumptions.

 

[steel_3d]

Any news on this thing?
Would it be too much to ask for a back-to-back dyno comparison with a 50-trim on a well tuned car? Two other really interesting ones would be a bb 50-trim and a gt30r, which are more in its price range, but that's definitely too much to ask.