New cams on the DSM market

[Bmxr152]

There are some new cams on the market for us Dsmr's. Check em out here...
www.gscmotorsports.com

 

[mask]

You sure it's on this site? All i see is Evo 8 and 9, no dsm stuff.

 

[Bmxr152]

Sorry you will probly have to give them a call. My buddy works for Sport Compact Car and he told me about them. I guess there so new they dont have them on their web site yet. There supposed to have 3 diffrent types and go for $549.

 

[syclone]

Hay, I have their 280 cams here's some info all about them.

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155591&highlight=gsc

Jamie Sanders

 

[syclone]

DISCLAIMER: I'm in now way implying the cams had anything to do with this, but after I installed my 280 cams on my just rebuilt heads, I drove about 45 miles then I pulled a valve into 2 pieces the stem and the cup sepperated. they were stock valves.
needles to say what happens when the valve is loose in the cylinder bouncing around at 4,000 rpm, ruined my head, piston, cylinder wall, and broke one rocker.
I will be using aftermarket valves upon my rebuild.

Jamie Sanders

 

[anubis]

i know what happens when valves divorce their stems...

 

[fwdeclipse]

DISCLAIMER: I'm in now way implying the cams had anything to do with this, but after I installed my 280 cams on my just rebuilt heads, I drove about 45 miles then I pulled a valve into 2 pieces the stem and the cup sepperated. they were stock valves.
needles to say what happens when the valve is loose in the cylinder bouncing around at 4,000 rpm, ruined my head, piston, cylinder wall, and broke one rocker.
I will be using aftermarket valves upon my rebuild.

Jamie Sanders

How was the idle for the short time it ran.Also did you notice a difference on the butt dyno with these cams.

 

[JayRolla]

Still to expensive, ill be going with the cheaper regrinds.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

GSC makes a good product. i have several EVO customers running theirs with good results. I personally recommend Comp or Brian Crower though. Quality product at a great value.

 

[syclone]

the above price I think is wrong, I found them for 499.00 with free shipping if you are a member of DSMtalk
link:
http://www.logicperformance.com/dat...d=1097&zenid=56ae189dcb3972f060d6469d8e983fca

Jamie Sanders
1996 GSX

 

[anubis]

Still to expensive, ill be going with the cheaper regrinds.

this kind of opens a can of worms here... time for some ethical questions:

companies like hks put a lot of time and money into research and development of new cams (like the 280's). there parts are so expensive because they need to pay for research and development - right? that kind of stuff isn't cheap. keep in mind you're also paying for quality, reputation, and customer service. they're using profits for R&D on new products.

then on the other hand, we've got vendors and companies that are standing on the shoulders of hks and churning out super cheap regrinds to the same specs. they turn around and sell these cams at about half the price of the originals. it's not just cams - there's other parts that are being copied too.

what are we supposed to do? should we fork out the dough to buy the originals and pay out the arse for the R&D, the overhead, the manufacturing, the marketing? or should we support the companies that are ripping off the big dogs because it's cheaper? these companies are shortcutting the process and going straight to the machining and money making. is it right? is it good for the industry?

just something for you to think about since we're on the subject.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

Considering the US economy favors market justice and not social justice, this isn't an ethical question at all. Adapt to change or close up shop if you can't compete. Nobody is entitled to my dollar - they have to convince me to spend it by presenting the best overall value at any moment in time.

 

[sleek98]

Well it comes with the trade, if you dont patent it before you release them to the public then you dont care if people copy them, but i dont like the thought of regrinds. Like the DKS that seems really cheezy to me. On the other hand i did just get a set of the Brian Crower 280s. I have a set of HKS 264/272 cams right now and if i did it over agian i would proll have just went with a cheaper company, they were def not work the 700 i paid for them when i could have gotten the same thing for less than half of what they are charging.
In the case of HKS you can tell that your paying for name and not the product. One example of this is that the cost of the billet cores that Brian Crower uses went up so his prices went up a few dollars where as the HKS cams are still the same at 6xx. this to me means that they are making so much off of each set that it doesnt matter that there production cost went up 10%.

just one more thing to think about.

I have never heard of the GSC cams but it seems that at a quick glance the 280s dont have as much lift as the other companies 280s. or i could just be reading them wrong. Also are these regrinds or brand new billet cores?


P.S. what ever you get, go through martin at vip grage he was awesome. They come in today so im stoked, thanks again

 

[JayRolla]

Yea yea I understand there is R&D. I bought a DSM for $1000 because it was cheap, so ill put my money in proven cheaper parts right. Thats whats great about a dsm, cheap way to go fast. Thats how I see these cars. I know everyones going to complain saying people like me are the reason we have these cheap parts and after awhile these companys will stop making good parts.

 

[wvturbo2]

you put 280 cams on stock valve train? that sounds dumb in its self

 

[sleek98]

you put 280 cams on stock valve train? that sounds dumb in its self

Me? I have oem valves but i have a set of crower springs and retainers in the head.

 

[syclone]

to VwTURBO2,, yes I ran stock valves and springs, after a lengthly conversation with the tech guy where I ordered my cams from, and he assured me it would be fine, as long as I stayed within the stock rev limit, as the big power adder comes from the duration of the cams rather than the lift.

James Sanders
1196 GSX
1991 GMC Syclone #252

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

Yea yea I understand there is R&D. I bought a DSM for $1000 because it was cheap, so ill put my money in proven cheaper parts right. Thats whats great about a dsm, cheap way to go fast. Thats how I see these cars. I know everyones going to complain saying people like me are the reason we have these cheap parts and after awhile these companys will stop making good parts.

It all evens out. There's always the choice between cheap or paying a premium for quality. The great thing about that is we all have the choice to choose between them based on what we're looking for and can afford.

Btw...I bet every one of those people who bring this up can be seen in Walmart buying cheap Chinese imports. The shame!! Poor mom-and-pop small businesses...