My road to 300awhp

[hubz91talontsi]

I was wondering if you guys could give me a little imput on this.
I have a 93 talon tsi with a six bolt swap.
It has a 16g(small) 550 injectors,
Is it possible to get 300awhp out of it?
Maybe with c16 and that little guy running 23psi?
How would my engine hold up?
I would like to hear what you have to say and whats the best way to get 300awhp.

p.s. internals are stock

 

[firefightermdc]

bigger fuel pump, something to tune with like maf-t dsmlink, etc. it's all in the tune but do a compression check and see where you're at, get a good fmic and get rid of those radiator hose boost tubes. that should get you started on your way, cams too maybe

 

[ILLegit420aT]

im not really a 4g63 guy...but stock internals will not hold 300wheel for too long, at least not from my expirience with them. you might think about pistons and rods...then you should be good...i have a 420a with a garrett t3/t4 .50 trim beast...running like 16psi with 4g63 injectors and a walboro 255hp and an safc running like 11.75-12:1 on the wideband rich as hell, but im around 300wheel. its all in the tune

 

[xdxoxuxgx]

Upgrade you're fuel pump and get an Aftermarket Fuel Pressure Regulator and get a nice tune on it, I see you already have an AFC so that should do just fine. I wouldn't run it at 23 psi though with your stock internals though, I definitely wouldn't go over 20 but that's me, I like to stay on the safe side.

 

[gixrman]

im not really a 4g63 guy...but stock internals will not hold 300wheel for too long, at least not from my expirience with them. you might think about pistons and rods...then you should be good...i have a 420a with a garrett t3/t4 .50 trim beast...running like 16psi with 4g63 injectors and a walboro 255hp and an safc running like 11.75-12:1 on the wideband rich as hell, but im around 300wheel. its all in the tune

WTF stock internals will hold way past 300hp. You don't need a MAFT the stock MAS is better for air flow #'s, 11:1-12:1 is lean shoot for 10:1 or lower. I don't know who taught you how to tune but you might want to read up on it.

 

[firefightermdc]

^^^X2, the 4g63 is a bruiser motor, in no way like the weak 420a...i've seen stock internals hold near 500 crank hp, so don't worry about it. Of course it's easier to achieve more hp w/ headwork, more compression etc. but the 4g's internals are ok.

 

[dsmzoom]

im not really a 4g63 guy...but stock internals will not hold 300wheel for too long, at least not from my expirience with them. you might think about pistons and rods...then you should be good...i have a 420a with a garrett t3/t4 .50 trim beast...running like 16psi with 4g63 injectors and a walboro 255hp and an safc running like 11.75-12:1 on the wideband rich as hell, but im around 300wheel. its all in the tune

^^X3!! If your not a 4g63 guy why are you posting misinformation about them? The 4g63 is way known for its capabilities of the stock internals..stick to your 420a experience

But a wally 255, afpr fmic to turn boost up without heatsoak, DSMLINK, and a really good tune.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Well i just recently bought this car, i do have a FPR, and safc. So im guessing if i have a fpr that the fuel pump is upgraded?

 

[dsmzoom]

most likely if you have 550s, an aftermarket afpr, and a safc, the previous owner must have put in an aftermarket fuel pump.

 

[dsmzoom]

In this case, I would get a pocketlogger for cheap, and run the highest boost safely, and if you can buy a fmic to prevent heatsoak so you can turn the boost up even more.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

I do have a pocketlogger also sorry guys i also have a supra sidemount. =)

 

[JayRolla]

Look into e85 if you have it in your area. Its way worth converting over too, you will have to get larger injectors and do some other fuel modifications. E85 is the best thing for a dsm since dsmlink. Guy here just made 404whp and over 400lbtq on a stock evo with some very light mods, mainly fuel. Just a 16g.

 

[dsmzoom]

300 should be within reach then, do you have a mbc? make sure your wbo2 is correct and not to rich/lean. Log a run with the highest boost for knock and adjust your afpr and safc accordingly.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

No i do not have any e85 in my area.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Yes i have a wbo2 and a mbc.

 

[vinnio]

Well i just recently bought this car, i do have a FPR, and safc. So im guessing if i have a fpr that the fuel pump is upgraded?

Thats a good assumption... But there are people who will just slap one of those on because its easy and looks cool.

If you want to know for sure look in the hatch area and find the wires going to the fuel pump. If someone put in a after market pump, most likely they did a rewire as well. So look for hand made (i.e. not stock looking) wires and that will let you know.

If they are still stock, you might still have a afp. Its just going to be harder to tell!!!

I know the wallbros are known for being loud. So, i guess just listen for a high pitched purr when the pump is on. You can turn it on manually by grounding that blue plug under the hood.

Good luck on your hunt (for 300 that is)
Be prepared to spend a lot more money, because once you hit 300, theres no stopping you!

 

[hubz91talontsi]

im only 17 so i have many years ahead of me. Id love to get into the 8-9's before im 20. Going to take alot of hard work, time, and money. Thats guy for your reponses. How hard is it on the motor to run 23psi? How can i get the most horsepower out of the motor on a lower psi. My car is currently running at 9 psi. What type of mods would i need to get 300awhp on 12psi? Thanks again guys for the fast reponses.

 

[dsmzoom]

Cams, Port and Polished head, bigger turbo...theres alot of things but its going to be extremely hard to hit 300awhp for a small 16g at 12psi

 

[ILLegit420aT]

^^X3!! If your not a 4g63 guy why are you posting misinformation about them? The 4g63 is way known for its capabilities of the stock internals..stick to your 420a experience

I never said that a 4363 couldn't hold up...i said that in my experience they didnt...lots of my friends have em...mostly bone stock with boost controlers and minimal mods, you cant say 4g63's dont blow up...i've seen first hand from behind a race one blow up on 16psi...i never said that motor wont hold, but with mad miles its iffy wether or not it will last very long...

the message i really wanted to get across was not to get too ahead of yourself and wind up with a blown motor

all the same...i do realize that in good shape your motors hold up great, but there is much room for question when he just got the car

 

[hubz91talontsi]

I forgot to mention that the small 16g is ported. Ok ill just hit 300awhp once on dyno and say i have a 300hp talon =D

 

[dsmzoom]

Well with your set up may i ask why your trying to get 300whp with low boost? You can turn the boost up significantly and I'm sure you will find the numbers your looking for with a really good tune.

I never said that a 4363 couldn't hold up...i said that in my experience they didnt...lots of my friends have em...mostly bone stock with boost controlers and minimal mods, you cant say 4g63's dont blow up...i've seen first hand from behind a race one blow up on 16psi...i never said that motor wont hold, but with mad miles its iffy wether or not it will last very long...

In that case yes, they are running a bone stock car with a controller at 16 psi is unsafe hit or miss. With the stock fuel system you shouldn't boost over 15 psi because the high counts of knock you'll have your bound to blow your engine at some point. But in this case he has a substantial set up where he doesn't have to worry about that. But you do prove a point that he should make sure he has all the proper maintenance done such has timing belt, water pump, etc...

 

[ILLegit420aT]

WTF stock internals will hold way past 300hp. You don't need a MAFT the stock MAS is better for air flow #'s, 11:1-12:1 is lean shoot for 10:1 or lower. I don't know who taught you how to tune but you might want to read up on it.

between 11.5-12 is perfect...now if you wanna be safe and make more power, go ahead, but please dont try to make me look dumb...i've studied with great teachers and i know what i'm talking about, a good tune from a dyno shop will be around there...or maybe its just my area and we all run lean

BTW...10:1 or lower is WAY TOO RICH

 

[blackgst256]

I would have to agree with most everyone on here about the mods. My friend is running 23 pounds out of an 18g with dsm link and of course supporting mods on a stock internal 7bolt and hardly any counts of knock at all. Alot of things and horsepower can be done with a excellent tune. Or if your not afraid just buy an aem . Trust me its harder to tune and use but once you have your motor to where you want it the aem will be a little piece of heaven on earth. Plus you can get rid of your mas air flow and you dont have to waste money on a maft its just not needed when aem is available.

 

[ILLegit420aT]

I would have to disagree since my car has been around 290 for 5 years.Definetely would want a ML Headgasket and some ARP's though

im an idiot...i got so into the post that i forgot that. ARP's and head gasket(i used cometic) are a must if you do a build...your right...with his top end stock he will be fine

 

[silver bullit]

im not really a 4g63 guy...but stock internals will not hold 300wheel for too long, at least not from my expirience with them. you might think about pistons and rods...then you should be good...i have a 420a with a garrett t3/t4 .50 trim beast...running like 16psi with 4g63 injectors and a walboro 255hp and an safc running like 11.75-12:1 on the wideband rich as hell, but im around 300wheel. its all in the tune

No the 420a(neon motor) in its stock configuration is week cause its not made for boost.

The 4g63 is a different story, many people have gotten away with 400-500 wheel hp before it failed.

I had a stock block 4g63 on 25 psi with a 50 trim forced performance turbo no arp head studs and just a metal head gasket was my only internal mod.

As long as you have the right supporting mods, youll be fine.


hubz91talontsi:

Yes you can get 300 wheel hp off that setup, youll need a fuel pump and some sort of an safc, and a few other things to achieve this but it can be done.