Is this turbo "Real" or "Fake"

[DSMaster08]

Some kid told me that this was a fake Ebay Evo3 16g any inputs? Thanks

Yea i thought as much i went and got a real mhi 16g but think that turbo may so be worth anything?

 

[95420A]

If I'm not mistaken it's a fake. The real one has TD05 stamped on it.

 

[Anger890]

That is indeed a fake Evo III 16g. MHI does not stamp turbo models into their compressor housings.


Visit Forced Performance for a real Evo III 16g:

Forced Performance Turbochargers: Mitsubishi EVO III Big 16g Turbo

 

[fwdmaster]

It's basically a fake version of the real MHI evo 16g, but instead of it being made in china the evo 3 gt turbos were made in taiwan.The only thing that is still good on that evo 3 gt turbo is that 7cm housing, it's a real MHI hotside.

 

[Badgst96]

That is indeed a fake Evo III 16g. MHI does not stamp turbo models into their compressor housings.


Visit Forced Performance for a real Evo III 16g:

Forced Performance Turbochargers: Mitsubishi EVO III Big 16g Turbo

Ahh I forgot about the stamp sorry

 

[DSMaster08]

Yea i thought as much i went and got a real mhi 16g but think that turbo may so be worth anything?

 

[gingerbredman00]

mine says TD05H
what's that?

 

[95420A]

It is the number stamped on real 16g's.

 

[snowborder714]

TD05H is not the serial number.

The serial number is shown in the 2nd picture at the top. So it depends on the serial number.

 

[Bud92gsx]

You do know there is an evo gt turbo right...It's esentually an evo 3, but definatly does not perform like one...Its called the evo3 gt turbo..

Now you can use this turbo all you want, but don't expect to be getting as good a numbers as the real evo 3 or even the ebay evo3..

The srial numbers says it's an evo3, but it does say gt..I think for free you got a good deal..But I wouldnt pay for the gt turbo..


14B
49178-01010
49178-01030
49178-01400
49178-01410

Small 16G
49178-01520
49178-05200

Big 16G
49178-01420

Evo I Big 16G
49178-01450

Evo II Big 16G
49178-01460

Evo III Big 16G
49178-01470 These are the serial numbers right here..



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[DSMaster08]

Its brand new i got it with the 95 tsi i bought but didnt bother putting it on and just went and got a real 16g i was jw if it was worth anything at all, i heard that you can rebuild these with real mhi parts is that true?

 

[whe3ls]

evo III gt facts

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

There are 3 types of "evoIII" turbos:

Ebay chinese: They say "evoIII" on them, some people have luck with them, some don't. Generally of very poor quality.

Turbochargers.com: It says "evoIII GT". Little better in quality than the generic ebay turbo, had some nice features like a 34mm wastegate, it was cast "ported". It was/is generally a good turbo, it got a bad rep because people were mad over the use of "evoIII" on it as it's not actually a mitsu turbo and the general confusion when people mix the chinabay turbos with them.

Real EvoIII: They don't say "evoIII" on them, just a mitsu part number. The evolution is "just another car" to them and they don't specially label their products with aftermarket nicknames. It's not a "evo III turbo", it's the turbo they used on the evo III.

 

[xsboost]

looks like the turbochargers.com "EVOIII GT". I used to have one, It was great.

 

[ragdollstalon]

OK BECAUSE THIS COULD GO ON FOR DAYS.....i rebuild these turbos day in, day out! the center sections is authentic evo3 cartridge from mitsubishi. the exhaust wheels is real, so is the intake wheel. all they did was replace the intake compressor cover and the exhaust housing with a thicker better designed to keep from having cold cast crack flaws.

the exhaust housing is special because it is truly cast as a evo3 before porting, which means the walls of the exhaust housing stay 1/2 inch thick rather than the genuine 1/4, so they wont crack as easily.

the internal bearings are TD05H/TDO6H bearings vs. the fake evo T04B t3 bearings.

so in short this is a real turbo but the housings have been updated to be better than the original

 

[dsmfa9nutter]

the exhaust housing is special because it is truly cast as a evo3 before porting

This goes completely against what turbochargers.com says. The housings are cast bigger, they aren't ported in any way shape or form.

 

[ragdollstalon]

they come "cast ported". they come from a mold that makes the exhaust housing runner as smooth as possible, and maintains the port match to the evo3.

if you also noticed i said "before porting" means you have to port the stock evo3 not the GT...read a little more deeply...

 

[PIMking]

I cant wait for jusumx to come in here the resident turbo rebuilder guru...

 

[ragdollstalon]

The Evo 3 GT comes equipped with a standard ported turbine housing upgrade. The inside is not shiny, like a normal port job, because the porting was done in the casting and not done by a machinist.

When machinists port a turbo, you never know what you're going to get. Some port jobs shave too little metal and do little to increase performance. Some port jobs shave too much metal and leave the walls of the turbine housing too thin to withstand the 1200 º+ (f) temperatures and 120,000+ RPM spinning of the shaft, and lead to failure.

The GT's designers studied many different porting designs, and ran each through sophisticated computer tests before we decided on the turbine housing design. And once we arrived on the perfect porting, we reinforced the walls of the turbine housing to MHI factory spec to give the turbo more resilience to heat than a regular ported Evo 3 turbo.

With the Evo 3 GT, customers get a perfect porting every time, with no risk of weakened turbine housing.



Increased Flapper

We (Turbochargers.com) increased the size of the wastegate and flapper to help avoid the ominous “boost creep.” This feature on the GT is identical to the aftermarket upgrade available from any turbo shop. The only difference: This upgrade is done at our factory at no additional cost.



Turbo Quality

Nobody wants to buy a turbo and pay for installation only to have the turbo fail in short amount of time. We understand that, and created a turbo that would stand the test of time and abuse as well as, if not better than, the Mitsubishi Evo 3 turbo.

First, the FACTORY used to develop and manufacturer this turbo has a reputation as Taiwan 's highest quality turbo factory. Again, I say Taiwan , not China . Mainland China indeed has a bad reputation for turbo quality, while Taiwan has a reputation for being the best quality manufacturing in Asia . Those companies that are losing customers to the GT want you to believe it was made in China . Not true. This factory is Taiwan 's leading volume turbo factory, and a major supplier of turbos into Japan , and for good reason—quality.

Second, our factory (Turbochargers.com) had help FINE-TUNING the turbo before we started selling it. This help came from a mechanical engineering Ph.D. from the Industrial Research Technology Institute (ITRI)—a nationally-subsidized R&D facility in Taiwan that is considered the “NASA of product development”—and from experts at Turbochargers.com.

Third, the Evo 3 GT underwent extensive TESTING before it was released to the public. A factory can develop a turbo in 6 weeks. We took 6 months developing the Evo 3 GT, and 4 of those months were spent testing and fine-tuning.

Test processes

This enormous air compressor pumps heated air into the turbine housing or cool air into the compressor housing. Through the use of sophisticated equipment, they are able to control the heat of the air and flow rate to simulate every circumstance the turbo may encounter during use, then the advanced software (shown below) maps out the results.




Compressor Wheel Testing

To ensure that the compressor wheel can withstand any amount of abuse without breaking, we performed a thorough series of “stop tests.” This is performed by bringing the turbo up to 120,000 RPMs through pumping air into the compressor housing inlet, then, to test the strength of the compressor wheel blades, the compressor housing outlet is blocked, thus putting literally tons of air pressure onto the compressor wheel blades. This test is performed over and over again until the president of the factory is satisfied, usually 40 or 50 consecutive times.

In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi's. Fundamentally, Mitsubishi's 49178-01470 (Evo 3) is designed to be stock replacement turbo. The Evo 3 GT was designed and built for racing.



Wheel Balancing

We used state of the art balancing equipment to balance the Evo 3 GT cartridge to Mitsubishi's exacting tolerances. (see balancing machine below)



Turbine Testing

This is the most critical part of turbo. During racing conditions, turbos often heat up to 1200+ º degrees (f), and therefore the turbo needs to be built to handle those hellish conditions with ease.

TURBINE WHEEL: Extreme heat can weaken the wheel's metal alloy and cause it to stretch, bang up against the turbine housing, chip, and then consequentially destroy the turbo. This is the most difficult part of the turbo to test, requiring the turbo to run at red-line speeds for 7 days straight at great expense to the factory. Needless to say, the turbine wheel passed this test with flying colors, not even stretching a fraction of a millimeter.

TURBINE HOUSING: The turbine housing is equally susceptible to heat damage as the wheel. Improperly designed turbine housings can warp and distort the ultra-fine tolerances, or simply crack (like how cheap headers crack). This is tested at the same time as the turbine wheel, 7 straight days of 150,000 RPM at an average temperature of 1300 º (f). Like the wheels, the turbine housing performed beautifully.

MATERIAL COMPOSITION: Turbine housings are composed of 42 different elements, but the most important element is nickel (Ni). The Evo 3 GT's turbine housing is composed of 12.45% nickel, higher than Mitsubishi's, which gives the GT greater resilience to heat.

COLOR: The difference in color between the GT and Mitsubishi Evo 3 has more to do with the trace elements than the primary materials. Our competitors want you to believe that color is a reliable indicator of quality.





Evo 3 Packaging

Rather than using shoddy packaging as from Mitsubishi [per UPS reqirements ], we chose to spend more money and package our premium turbo with premium packaging. Each Evo 3 GT comes in a ¼”-thickness box, with form-fitted foam for maximum protection during shipping, and two separate pieces of foam for easy removal.




Misc. Slander

Some of the Evo 3 GT's competitors are working very hard to convince Mitsubishi enthusiasts that the Evo 3 GT is a fraud, a failure, and a fake.
The truth is, nobody has ever attempted to pass off the GT has a genuine Mitsubishi turbo. Why would we? The GT is a specialty performance turbo that is affordable, not an overpriced stock replacement with overpriced upgrades.
The “ China GT,” as some call it, is NOT made in China , but rather in Taiwan —the quality manufacturing capital of Asia . This is a deception of the lowest caliber perpetrated by individuals who are proving themselves to be of low integrity.
Don't judge the performance of a turbo by its color. Test the GT against the normal Evo 3 on a car, on a dyno, or in a testing lab, and you won't find an inferior turbo in the GT.
The critics of the GT are so desperate for arguments against our turbo that they have resorted to using fake pictures. The most egregious example of this slander is from Slowboy Racing's comparison of a “ good ” Mitsubishi-made Evo 3 thrust bearing against a “bad” Mitsubishi-made thrust bearing. They are claiming that the bad thrust bearing is from the Evo 3 GT. In fact all the pictures are of Mitsubishi thrust bearings. None is of the GT. Notice that both of the thrust bearings they compared have the same numbers?

Please find the real GT thrust bearing picture below, and then decide who's is better


In summary

The GT was created to provide the Mitsubishi (Scion) enthusiast community with a low-cost, high-quality turbo for their Mitsubishi cars. As is the case with any new product, some people with vested financial interests in the current product will say anything, true or false, to ruin the market for the new product. Don't be fooled by these slander artists into paying more money. The GT is an excellent turbo at an excellent price.

 

[DSM98GSX]

My friend bought a turbo like that and has had good luck so far. Not saying its the best decision, but deff a money saver. I would personally save up for the best unless your needing a "right now" solution. Just my .02

 

[My1GLaser]

evo III gt facts

That was actually an interesting read, and I guess it also partially explains why they reportedly spool slower then the MHI Evo III version.

"In order to comfortably pass this rigorous compressor wheel strength test, we decided to make the blades on the compressor wheels thicker than Mitsubishi's."

 

[JusMX141]

It's a GT Concepts Evo III 16G once distributed by Turbochargers.com. These turbos were once a Taiwan-built turbo that eventually switched to U.S. production of Taiwan parts, similar to Forced Performance's 18G-6SL2....in fact, the FP 18G uses the same compressor cover and turbine housing as the Evo III GT.

The earliest production of these turbos were horrible. I bought three of them for parts....all three had suffered from broken turbine wheels which broke off right where the turbine wheel itself meets the shaft. The later run of these turbos had supposedly fixed the turbine breakage, but I'm not exactly sure at what point the production switched to the more durable turbine.

 

[xsboost]

The man hath spoken

 

[jdunbar10]

hopefully you didnt spend to much on the turbo

 

[DSMaster08]

So lets get it out in the open is it a POS or is it better then the MHI 16g, i got the turbo for free so not a big deal to me.