Intercooler Sprayer [Merged 12-7] sprayers ic i/c fmic sidemount smic co2 water

[c0degsx]

im curious.......will this affect the MAS? lets say its hot outside, the MAS sees hot air coming thru it and does its little calculations expecting it to be cooled only a little and instead it is cooled alot. Then the engine would not be expecting it.......maybe i dunno what im talkin about, but im curious cuz im on the border of buying this. Thanx.

 

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Originally posted by c0degsx
im curious.......will this affect the MAS? lets say its hot outside, the MAS sees hot air coming thru it and does its little calculations expecting it to be cooled only a little and instead it is cooled alot. Then the engine would not be expecting it.......maybe i dunno what im talkin about, but im curious cuz im on the border of buying this. Thanx.

That is a very good question, I have had the IC sprayer on my car for almost 2 years I have probably put well over 100 bottles through it and I have had no problems at all. So I would say no is does not affect the MAS at all, The air that goes through the MAS and the air that goes into your engine without the sprayer are totally different anyway?

TWITCH
www.intercoolertechniques.com

 

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Originally posted by red91tsiawd
hey twitch, how many of us have bought one of those so far????? i'm sure next summer u won't be able to produce enough of em after they c the increase in performance

thanks,
mike

MIKE I have sold prob 50 or so kits, and all my customers love them. I think you are right about the summer time. Everyone will see how much this helps and I will have to quit my job and start making INTERCOOLER SPRAYERS.


Has anyone recived the New Turbo magazine yet? The WRX tunning attack?


There is a Grand National that tests the Intercooler sprayer kit from NX. The Buick make and EXTRA 20.9 HP to the wheels and a EXTRA 32.1 LB-ft of torque.

 

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Originally posted by TheObiJuan
if it does pose a problem, which i dont think it will.... the dsm translator (MAFT) should cure this, along with MANY other things.
the maft has fixed temp readings.

That is true I didnt even think about that!

TWITCH

 

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Originally posted by Sully944
well dyno numbers would prove or disprove this idea. There is this thing called an intake that sucks lots of air and at a stand still you would be suprised at how much air it does suck. Put a lit ciggarette buy your sidemount then reply your findings. I know the c02 will reach the intake. I'm not being negative about the product "I don't even have one" but I can see where it would cause a negative effect. That being said I'm personally curious as to it testing going down the track where there is more than sufficient air flow and then testing at a stand still on the line; and testing before the tire heat up process. I know there is a solution to the problem I was simply curious as to anyone developing a technique to over come this Little delimna(sp)(runonsentence)(pun). There fore I know someone must have statistical facts to back this up as well and I'm curious to see the results. Twitch a dyno of your products outcome is beneficial to it's success M8. It would determine my sale . If I do all the research and development....................

Put a lit ciggarette buy your sidemount then reply your findings.

I know that the intake pulls a hell of allot of air just keep in mind the Co2 is a lot heavier than AIR, I let me car idle and sprayed tons of C02 and the car has never even sputtered once? When the Co2 is sprayed it hits the intercooler and then sinks to the ground. It will never reach the intake. I know that Dyno numbers would help allot but I have had no time at all to make it to the Dyno, Plus it has been 20-30 deg outside for a while. This spring I will make it to the Dyno and have some real hard numbers for everyone. To hold you over until I get to the Dyno go pick up the new issue of TURBO magazine there is a Buick Grand National that uses NX sprayer, .The Buick make and EXTRA 20.9 HP to the wheels and a EXTRA 32.1 LB-ft of torque.


Chris Rogers
www.intercoolertechniques.com

 

[ClutchTSI/AWD]

I've been seeing a lot of treads about intercooler sprayers , and tought everyone might be interested in this kit I found it looks real nice and has a lot of upgrades including a fuel rail cooler to cool the fuel before it gets injected into the motor , and an inline intake air cooler . Heres a pic and a link .

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DEI CryO2

Enjoy.

 

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I have seen that before it is very expensive. the sprayer bar is 100.00 alone the tank and lines are 380.00 and the fuel cooler os 100.00 so that is 580.00 plus shipping and TAX damnnnnn

 

[red91tsiawd]

well i saw that one to and was about to buy it tell i heard about twitch's. let me c......... 580 or 150 ........... thats a hard on!!!! 150, DUHHHHHHH

plus its made just for ur intercooler so u can't beat that.
lets just say my purchase was an easy one

just my .02

mike

 

[DSMJim]

I saw this unit in person last weekend. Very cool. They make the intake pipe in 2.5-3 inch for just about every application. The CO2 runs through the line into a ball which gets really cold and cools the air running over it. Then it goes to a block that you hook fuel lines up to an it gets cold, then onto the intercooler sprayer.

You get 3 for 1 on this system, it looks pretty cool. The guy demoing it said they picked up 63hp on a turbo b18c at the dyno with all 3 pieces installed.

Personally for 63hp I would just run a 35 or 50hp shot of nitrous and it would give you all that hp and cooling the same and be a lot less BS to hook up.

I was impressed with the idea though, pretty cool. I have an ntercooler on my own car however and would not liekly switch from it.

 

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OK I finally got a dyno sheet for you guys. Its from a supra but you get the idea. That’s an Extra 61.3HP and an Extra 42.3 TORQUE

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TWITCH
www.intercoolertechniques.com

 

[98TsiAWD]

Makes quite a significant difference on a 600hp car. I wanna see dyno sheets off an average 300-350whp DSM. Also I have a Hahn sidemount and that flange/hole is not there to mount that OEM shroud onto, so therefore the sprayer cannot be mounted their either. Have any ideas how you could make me one?
www.pbase.com/str8ballin has some pics of the Hahn IC.

 

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I could try and make a bracket that would mount to the top intercooler bracket? Other than that I dont know not really to much to work with on that intercooler!

600hp car or not that is a huge gain just by spraying the Intercooler. I should have dyno results for a DSM soon after the sponsorship!

TWITCH

 

[FastRthenU]

I have seen dyno sheets from intercooler sprayers. They didnt give those numbers at all. I think what ever intercooler was being used was not doing a good job of cooling the air at all. Thats why it made such a huge jump in power. Look at the issue's in turbo where ther beefing up the 4g63. they had a spearco intercooler on it, and also used a intercooler sprayer. they only got something like 7hp to the wheel.

 

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Originally posted by FastRthenU
I have seen dyno sheets from intercooler sprayers. They didnt give those numbers at all. I think what ever intercooler was being used was not doing a good job of cooling the air at all. Thats why it made such a huge jump in power. Look at the issue's in turbo where ther beefing up the 4g63. they had a spearco intercooler on it, and also used a intercooler sprayer. they only got something like 7hp to the wheel.

What kinda intercooler sprayer where they using? What did it use to cool the intercooler water, Co2, N20? I have sold other kits to people that have dynoed their cars but I have no PROOF EX(dyno sheets) so I have not provided that info becasue I cannot back it up. I sold a kit to a honda guy that had a turbo b18c he made 38 extra WHP on the dyno. So it really does vary from car to car.

TWITCH

 

[FastRthenU]

I believe that is was the NE kit. So it was No2 being used. As i said if you ahve a undersized intercooler that is starting to be over run. Then the yes there would be huge gains in power. But if your intercooler is doing its job, then the numbers arnt going to be taht high. Well from what i have seen

 

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I disagree I think that no intercooler can cool the air to the degree that a IC sprayer can. I understand that if your intercooler is reached its limits than the IC will show greater gains when sprayed.

 

[FastRthenU]

Well im just talking from what I have seen. As I said before, about turbo magazine. They modded a galant. It was pushing about 400 hp to the wheel. The intercooler sprayer only made it gain 7 or so horse.

 

[RipperXX]

DUH.. a IC can only cool at best to abmit temp with Co2 your going way below the freezing point..



although i think 30-40HP gains would be with to small of a IC.. as said above i think somewhere in the 10-20WHP range is more likely...

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Has it occured to anyone that the fans blowing on the FMIC are nothing like driving at 60-120 mph? ;o) Of course the sprayer works on the dyno, the IC cant do its job there in the first place.... I want track numbers.

 

[ttawd3s]

My only FMIC options are $1200 at the LEAST !! My best "getto" IC set-up is duel stock DSM sidemounts, so this is a good idea for people like me..Of course a guy with a $1000 IC upgrade isn't going to gain as much..

If I was tuning a car, I wouldn't count on the sprayer cooling it, but tuning it, THEN adding it will help it run better.... I can Also agree that after the IC is heat soaked, the sprayer WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE..

A small heak soaked IC will get a good kick from it, A $1000 FMIC, won't see as much..

I wasn't impressed with the NX kit on that Galant ( I love that article !! ).

Its not like he is selling this kit for $400 either, I'd say its worth the money if you street race or hate waiting between runs...

My clutch will over heat quick, so I have no choice but to wait between runs, but I do have 2 POS ICs...

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Sidemounts will benefit for the same reasons given above. There just isnt enough airflow to them, especially when mounted in front of the tire. And smaller (mass) ICs will heat soak faster, and even faster without good airflow. So I do agree that on a SMIC equiped car it could be worthwhile. But I would rather see some methodical track testing over dyno testing. This is one of those rare occurences where the track traps will give a btter picture of how it really works in motion... I'm just as curious as the next guy. If anyone does try it, I hope they test it well and post the results.

 

[ttawd3s]

I'm curous about something else you guys maybe able to help me with..

Why not just re-route your windsheild washer sprayers to your IC(s) and put alcoy in the washer tank ? Alcoy would evaperate about 2 seconds after hitting the ground and it is very "cool" to the touch.

Its Just a quick question, there has to be a reason people aren't doing it ( on AWD cars ). Then again I could set it to come on with boost, so the only time it would be spraying would be while I'm moving already or while the car was cooling in a parking lot...

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by ttawd3s
My clutch will over heat quick, so I have no choice but to wait between runs, but I do have 2 POS ICs...

Now if only somebody could make a clutch sprayer that would cool the clutch in an AWD car during launch... :laugh:

 

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pick up the new issue of TURBO magazine there is a Buick Grand National that uses NX sprayer, .The Buick make and EXTRA 20.9 HP to the wheels and a EXTRA 32.1 LB-ft of torque.

 

[Spinall4]

Originally posted by ttawd3s
I'm curous about something else you guys maybe able to help me with..

Why not just re-route your windsheild washer sprayers to your IC(s) and put alcoy in the washer tank ? Alcoy would evaperate about 2 seconds after hitting the ground and it is very "cool" to the touch.

Its Just a quick question, there has to be a reason people aren't doing it ( on AWD cars ). Then again I could set it to come on with boost, so the only time it would be spraying would be while I'm moving already or while the car was cooling in a parking lot...

been there, done that- Its hard to find the right kind of nozel(sp?) to spray your i/c with. On my car I'm using 2 misters from a drip irigation system, but it sprays way to much water on to the i/c. I think its that the washer pump is has alot of volume but not much pressure, and we need the opisite, along with an expensive mister nozel. If you want to try this out its not hard- all you need is some 1/4" tubing, a one way aquarium valve(to break the syphon when you turn off the system so it dosen't drain your tank) and the nozel(plus I wired in a switch so i could just flip it on instead of holding down the button).