Intercooler Sprayer [Merged 12-7] sprayers ic i/c fmic sidemount smic co2 water

[acexxxoasis]

are we talking spraying a fmic or a smic?

 

[red97gsx]

It is a FMIC and i already have the snow performance meth kit installing it as we speak. I just did not know if the added sprayer was a good idea and if anyone had the lean issue with running it. Thank you all for the valuble input so far

 

[dsm-onster]

water or methenol mist entering the intake cannot cause an engine to run lean. . . Unless the mist takes out the maf sensor.

Regardless, I wouldn't worry about the mist. It couldn't be any worse than driving on a rainy day.

Meth/water injection is head and shoulders better than an intercooler sprayer. You're directly cooling the aircharge AND you're slowing the fuel burn rate, raising the effective octane of the fuel in the combustion chamber.

 

[DGajre777]

I searched the forums and did not see what i was looking for. If it is in here, i'm sorry for double posting. I've heard that when running a intercooler sprayer that you have the chance of running the car to lean because sometimes the mist makes it to the air filter and is sucked into the engine. Has anyone experienced a problem relating too running lean from this or is it a new one to you guys. Is their any amount of benefit over meth-injection. Thanks for any input

Does the intercooler sprayer work? These are from one of my old old threads...

Intercooler Chiller Challenge
I wasn't sure where to put this, so I put it in the newbie forum. I found an article that I thought was interesting. Intercooler Chillers were tested on a 2004 Dodge SRT4.

Final Results on the dyno:
DEI CRYO2 kit : 12.5HP gain
NX N-ter Cooler kit : 10-12HP gain
NOS Intercooler Spray Bar kit : 18.6HP gain and chunks of ice on the intercooler.

The article can be viewed at http://www.holley.com/data/Ads/NOSCoverArticle.pdf


Why not to get one with nitrous??

Here is a test done by Cryofusion stating the following:

- CO2 works as a fire extinguisher and displaces oxygen. Engines use this oxygen, combined with fuel, to make power.
- Ingesting even a small amount of CO2 into the air intake will slow your car down.
- It is nearly impossible to use an intercooler spray bar without ingesting residual gases from the intercooler spray.
- Nitrous oxide, when sprayed across an intercooler, can cause motor damage.
- Intercooler spray bars can work effectively if used during non critical conditions.

Here is the entire test - Welcome to Cryofuzion!. An important factor when choosing the nitrous spray bar kits.


My suggestion - if you want a get a intercooler sprayer and use it during your run at the track, go ahead and get the co2 sprayer. The only time I would use an intercooler sprayer with nitrous is if you had a heatsoaked intercooler and you want to cool it between runs, i.e. I wouldn't spray it during the actual run.

If you don't plan to do either one of the 2 above, go with meth-injection over the intercooler sprayers. And yes, water/meth injection is way way better than an intercooler sprayer.

 

[marsh63]

I am in the middle of making a innercooler SMIC kit for my talon so far i have made the innercooler sprayer. it is a very shaby sprayer due to someone walked off with my tube bender and its really hard to bend stainless tubing.

I have a electric soleniod on the way so i can us my sprayer at a flip of the switch. and i am going to be using a 10 pound CO2 bottle with a regulator in line with the bottle and solenoid.

My Question is what PSI i should run the CO2 and what else should i add to it. Ive been told to maybe use a windsheild washer fluid sprayed into the line 50/50 with the co2. Dose that sound like a good idea? i have all the technology to make it work i just need some guidence on what to do.

i want to maybe start producing these kits for way cheaper than the others and then become a surpoting member here but i need to know where to start. ill make a fmic kit later.


heres a video of my friend testing it on my innercooler. (few of the holes got cloged but it worked)
Video of co2 thing - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

so tell me what i should do. any advis will be apreciated.

 

[bpestilence]

Have you collected any data to support the fact that it actually does anything?

I look at these things the same way I look at methanol injection: If you tune your car to need it, what happens when you run out?

 

[pboglio]

Just a thought, what happens when you inject C02 and the engine ingests it. The turbo is essentially a huge vacuum cleaner.

 

[romeen]

There is a very long thread discussing intercooler sprayers. Here is a link to the most recent post in that thread with some interesting points:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bol...idemount-smic-co2-water-14.html#post151331915

 

[DSMopar]

Your head's in the right place but i'd seriously re-do your spray bar method, i'd instead get a few nitrous fogger nozzles and setup an array, doing this you could also adjust the volume via jets.

 

[xxraptor660xx]

Just a thought, what happens when you inject C02 and the engine ingests it. The turbo is essentially a huge vacuum cleaner.

Probably a slight hesitation/misfire, depending on how much gets in.

 

[JayRolla]

Just a thought, what happens when you inject C02 and the engine ingests it. The turbo is essentially a huge vacuum cleaner.

How is the motor going to ingest the spray?? Its hitting the intercooler not the intake. Unless it sprays so much the intake sucks it in but I dont see that happening.

Have you collected any data to support the fact that it actually does anything?

I look at these things the same way I look at methanol injection: If you tune your car to need it, what happens when you run out?

All its going to do is cool the intercooler and stop it from heatsoak so it will be a little more efficient. A fmic will work the sameway.

Think about it like gas. If you had a meth setup you will never let it run low. Just like you dont want to run out of gas. Thats your boost juice. Its amazing how much more power you can make with a meth setup. It becomes regular maintenance that you dont forget to check.

 

[turboglenn]

I would just go front mount if you can. THe stock sidemount doesn't flow very well anyway, so no matter how cold you get it, you're still only going to be moving the same amount of CFM.

I used it on my thunderbird ( supercoupe 3.8 w/ blower) and it really didn't make that much of a difference on the mitsi, but you could feel some gain on the T-Bird

EDIT: Not sure how much you've tested it, but the nozzle that it comes out of will get colder than what you spray it on. DId you see teh mythbusters where they were trying to find the fastest way to cool beer and they tried spraying Co2 on it and it didn't do much?

 

[DGajre777]

How is the motor going to ingest the spray?? Its hitting the intercooler not the intake. Unless it sprays so much the intake sucks it in but I dont see that happening.

All its going to do is cool the intercooler and stop it from heatsoak so it will be a little more efficient. A fmic will work the sameway.

The motor is going to ingest the spray when the co2 goes towards the air filter. It is a gas, it travels.

To the OP - Make sure you have some kind of a shield between the SMIC and the intake.

As for what happens if the motor injects co2 - it slows the car down.

Here is some more info - http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bol...idemount-smic-co2-water-14.html#post151331915

 

[turboglenn]

Yep. Co2 extinguishes flames.. It would be like fuel cut if enough got in

But co2 is denser than aair soif his filter is still in the stock loction it should be okay and well enough away from teh co2

 

[marsh63]

alright well im am going to get a fmic this christmas time. but at this time we will only be using this to cool down the innercooler befor a run. i was seeing on what type of a proformace thing i can make to help when i get further with my car. i will be making another kit and run it on a dyno at kaizen to see what it dose.

 

[gixrman]

Why don't you coil the tubing around the UICP and have it vent out at the bottom of the car. regulate the flow with a NO2 jet. Basiclly freezing the pipe. And I would go with much smaller tubing and aluminum tubing drilling very small holes facing the UICP.

 

[marsh63]

yeah i have a design to do that too drawn up that i have like a patent pending on it. ill post it up later once i put it on my computor. i think that design is good but itll cost more to make but im expirementing so im makin it all

heres a drawing from paint ill have to go to school to get it on rihno drafting program. i dont have any deminsions cause i will make it in different sizes

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j121/elcamino63/co2uicp.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

 

[romeen]

I doubt wrapping the pipe will give any appreciable benefit. Even if the pipe gets below freezing there just isn't enough surface area for effective heat exchange.

 

[marsh63]

ok well if i maybe run so of the piping through the pipe then will that work or should i just stick with the innercooler design.

 

[turboglenn]

Wrap it around teh intercooler. The parts that it exits from gets the coldest (much colder than the actual spray)

j/k about wrapping the IC...might work, but probably ruin airflow through the cooler

 

[Defiant]

Say it with us:

INTERCOOLER.

goddamn it.​

 

[gixrman]

Oh and don't let Al Gore and his nature Nazi's find out your letting more Co2 into the air or he'll come over and beat you with his nobel peace medal.

 

[marsh63]

INTERCOOLER. sorry i dont know what i was thinking. yeah well im not going to be alive when so called global warming happens so i dont really care. oh and i bet he wantss us to drive hybrids too.

well anyways im going to be getting a front mount and am going to test out the CO@ thing im makin in about a month here on a dyno and ill tell the results to all of you.

 

[white90gsx]

I found the intercooler sprayer post but I think this ones different.What I want to do Is used the setup from my rear window sprayer and run lines to my intercooler to spray some stuff and was wondering if it has been done, if not I will write up a tech article but if so I would like to use it to save me time.


Thanks

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Technically if you're going to use the stock system, you'd just have to find a way to plumb the lines into the AC sprayer. The system is pretty much all built for you instead of spraying fluid on the windshield, it would spray onto the intercooler instead.