420A Intake manifold gasket replacement

[98eclipse2015]

Yes there are 2 seals one for each cam, and are located right under the cam gears.

Thats what i thought darn hummm i really need to see where is comeing from for sure i dont want to replace something that dont need to be replace but i think thats where ill start cuz im pretty sure is noT comeing from the valve cover

 

[Chumpaumpalumpa]

Thats what i thought darn hummm i really need to see where is comeing from for sure i dont want to replace something that dont need to be replace but i think thats where ill start cuz im pretty sure is noT comeing from the valve cover

Cam seals are in the Valve cover behind the cam gears. You have to take it off to replace them.

 

[o0GuitarKid0o]

I've Never try'd an oil dye but it works good apparently!

It will pretty much pin point exactly were the leaks coming from by illuminating the oil ,
you just need an ultra violet light.

That way you won't be guessing where the leak started /is coming from.

Just a thought good luck!

 

[Chumpaumpalumpa]

Was just about to suggest this^

 

[98eclipse2015]

I've Never try'd an oil dye but it works good apparently!

It will pretty much pin point exactly were the leaks coming from by illuminating the oil ,
you just need an ultra violet light.

That way you won't be guessing where the leak started /is coming from.

Just a thought good luck!

How long does that take to go through the system? My oil is full just topped it off and would be another week are so b4 i have to top it off again.

 

[PlanZero]

The 420a (what you have) motor is known for blowing head gaskets, usually at around 150k miles. Do you have any white smoke blowing out of your tailpipe? Any oil puddle under the car? I had a 420a with a very slight rear main seal leak which quickly escalated into losing about a quart every two days.
Get a can of engine degreaser, take it to the car wash, cover the battery and alternator and clean that sucker off!
It's highly unlikely that you would need to add oil every week due to a valve cover gasket leak.

 

[Chumpaumpalumpa]

YOU FIXED THE SPELLING ERROR I'M SO PROUD OF YOU!! My guess is the head gasket now too.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Just a FYI cause I've seen it but Headgaskets don't always blow and show smoke out the tail pipe. Only if the coolant passage (white smoke) or oil passage (bluish smoke) is leaking into the combustion chamber. Just depends on how it's blown or the gasket just breaks apart from age and high heat in that area. It can blow and not even have the oil and coolant mix.

 

[98eclipse2015]

The 420a (what you have) motor is known for blowing head gaskets, usually at around 150k miles. Do you have any white smoke blowing out of your tailpipe? Any oil puddle under the car? I had a 420a with a very slight rear main seal leak which quickly escalated into losing about a quart every two days.
Get a can of engine degreaser, take it to the car wash, cover the battery and alternator and clean that sucker off!
It's highly unlikely that you would need to add oil every week due to a valve cover gasket leak.

Yes there is a puddle

 

[98eclipse2015]

I should have also said im still able to drive it with lil to no probs like when i start it in the moring after it has been sitting in the cold all night it starts fine but idols below 1000 rps and i have to hit the gas peddle once and rev the engine and it goes back up to 1000 rps. Than again it does it to when its warm out along with it wanting to die when im in reverse putting slight presser on the gas peddle i have to time it just right and hit the break to prevent it from just straight up locking up and the engine dies ( still a prob im trying to figure out and am stumped on it. Any help on that prob would help too). It also wants to try to die when i am trying to park in my small over hang parking spot and again with slight presser on the gas peddel. Anyway ya i am able to drive it for work and other driveing places with no prob other than the dieing prob. Just some info that might narrow my oil leak down.

 

[98eclipse2015]

The odd thing about that is i felt all around the valve cover and found nothing but ill look again and do what you suggested and i do know to use break cleaner? Well thats what i was told to use to clean off oil.

I have looked yesterday and found that the valve cover was clean of oil and it was hust dirty but im thinking its the head

 

[Dsmkauai]

Try doing a simple compression test bro. Might shed some light on your issues. Do you have a check engine light on? When's the last time it was tuned up?

 

[98eclipse2015]

Try doing a simple compression test bro. Might shed some light on your issues. Do you have a check engine light on? When's the last time it was tuned up?

No i do not have a check engine light on everything thing is fine from what i can see othing the the dieing prob. My buddie told me if it was the head leaking the car wouldnt even start?

 

[Dsmkauai]

Not true at all bro. The headgasket can break apart and not effect the compression chamber. Ask me how I know . Your dying problem could be from the tps, Iac, bad plugs or wires, bad o2 sensor, dirty throttle body, leaky injector, headgasket that's just starting to go and probably many other odd ball things. Do a simple compression test bro and rule it out. It takes a whole 10min or less and will tell you a lot. If all 4 numbers are even and between 170-225psi your all good. You want the numbers to be Within 15psi of eachother. Anything lower like in the 80-100psi or lower (0 being really bad ) and you found your problem. Service limit is 100psi. If you havnt done before read this. http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/compression-and-leak-down-testing.338152/

 

[mitsubishikid]

^^^ yeah I'm living proof as well, I blew a cheepo head gasket [I was using on my n/a 4G63 sohc daily driver] in between cylinders 2 and 3, there was no smoke out the tail pipe, but the motor was really low on power doing a compression test helped me diagnose what was wrong, with all spark plugs pulled and zero compression in cylinders 2 and 3 pointed out what was wrong.
pull your spark plugs and do a compression check op it can't hurt, you can rent the tool for free at most auto parts stores.

 

[o0GuitarKid0o]

How long does that take to go through the system? My oil is full just topped it off and would be another week are so b4 i have to top it off again.

I'm sure it recirculates fairly fast
Can u drain abit of oil out?
Although It looks like a tiny bottle

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Here's a video about the oil dye

I would just follow the instructions on the oil finder!

 

[98eclipse2015]

I'm sure it recirculates fairly fast
Can u drain abit of oil out?
Although It looks like a tiny bottle

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Here's a pic i made just in case you cant really see the location but in the pic (Black) is the end of the intake gasket and the red (oil ) i think its comeing from in the area than dropping down below it on to the oil pain and oil filter. But ya im starting to think its that because if it was the cam gasket it would just leak down and not behind the cam cover.

I would just follow the instructions on the oil finder!

Where do u find it? I dont have alot of money and found they can cost over $1000 i might as well sell my car cuz that how much its prob worth. If my front seals are leaking wouldnt leak downward in the casing and not behind it?

 

[98eclipse2015]

Where do u find it? I dont have alot of money and found they can cost over $1000 i might as well sell my car cuz that how much its prob worth. If my front seals are leaking wouldnt leak downward in the casing and not behind it?

The black is the intake gasket in the back the red is the oil this is what i think thats going on so i do really think its the head gasket

 

[Dsmkauai]

Just go to any auto parts store bro. The dye is only a few bucks. Then ask them for a black light or go to Home Depot and buy a blacklight bulb. Honestly shouldn't be that hard to see. If you need the yellow glasses see if that have a cheap set or find some to borrow. The dye is like $5 online

 

[98eclipse2015]

Just go to any auto parts store bro. The dye is only a few bucks. Then ask them for a black light or go to Home Depot and buy a blacklight bulb. Honestly shouldn't be that hard to see. If you need the yellow glasses see if that have a cheap set or find some to borrow.

Ok will do ill prob have to rent the light from them

 

[Dsmkauai]

Wish you where close to me bro id help you out here's a good read to help in doing the test.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a106/1272471/

 

[98eclipse2015]

Wish you where close to me bro id help you out here's a good read to help in doing the test.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a106/1272471/

Lol its ok im just glad everyone is giveing me tips and ideas. I was just going take it to the shop but i was looking at prices and i think its just cheaper to do it myself. I know its going to be a weekend job and have to buy oil, oil pan the gasfet ect.... Thank you all for your help . Ya i dont have any friends that has are type of car they are all trucks and fords

 

[98eclipse2015]

Wish you where close to me bro id help you out here's a good read to help in doing the test.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/a106/1272471/

This would work huh? Even tho its says A/C its the same think and get the dye from autozone for about

 

[Chumpaumpalumpa]

Yes thats the same thing BUT THE DYE IS NOT. Make sure you get the right dye and you'll be golden (I'm so punny)

 

[98eclipse2015]

Yes thats the same thing BUT THE DYE IS NOT. Make sure you get the right dye and you'll be golden (I'm so punny)

Ya i know thought it was the same thing with the light and glasses and know it has to be the oil dye im going to go get thos over the week and my project will be my weekend job