420A How much does full 420a turbo kits go for?

[0r1landoDSM]

im undecided if i should turbo it depending on how much it is. or just get a 4g63T.. i've been told MegaSquirt was a good ECU for 420a turbo. what will mega squirt enhance?

 

[Carter_95RS]

A turbo kit can be pieced together for under 1k. Megasquirt is a standalone ecu offering full tuneability. You don't need MSnS but don't expect higher than 8lbs without it, or something else.

 

[0r1landoDSM]

A turbo kit can be pieced together for under 1k. Megasquirt is a standalone ecu offering full tuneability. You don't need MSnS but don't expect higher than 8lbs without it, or something else.

i thought 420a motors can only handle 8 pounds any way? and to pay get the turbo together is gonna cost alot more. =/

 

[Silvertune]

Why? 8 lbs is within the capabilities of any stock DSM turbo be it T25 or 14b. They both go insanely cheap. The rest of the parts are the same way. 8 psi is cake. All you've got to do is source the parts from the right place and this is it.

 

[Clinical]

he means 8psi from the bottom end.

Tuned right I would feel safe at like 12psi max on most turbos.
Depends on turbo size/tuning.

piece it together, it'll be way cheaper.

 

[Zdrummer15]

If you're thinking about getting a car with a 4G63T anyway, I would recommend you just do that. If you want potential for more power later down the road, it will be much cheaper and easier. If you run 8lbs on a 420a, you'll be lucky to come close to the stock performance of a 4G63T car.

 

[96DSM_Steve]

I found this turbo set up while searching for parts for a friend.

420a Turbo kit 95-99 Eclipse Talon- TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE

 

[0r1landoDSM]

If you're thinking about getting a car with a 4G63T anyway, I would recommend you just do that. If you want potential for more power later down the road, it will be much cheaper and easier. If you run 8lbs on a 420a, you'll be lucky to come close to the stock performance of a 4G63T car.

im not sure what i want to do, but most 4g63's out there are beaten to shit. and the 420a is a fun car but wish it had a lil bit more power

 

[junkyarddsm]

If i was you i would give the 420a a chance. It has been proven over and over they can make as much power as a 4g63. You can build a kit for around 700 ish. Seach for stage 2 turbo kit on here and you will find a very well writen form on the parts

You can make 8 psi on all stock motor parts and ive seen up to 26 psi on a fully built block and built head.

 

[95talongirl]

im not sure what i want to do, but most 4g63's out there are beaten to shit. and the 420a is a fun car but wish it had a lil bit more power

Yes. This is very true.... you'd probably spend as much "righting" a turbo car as turbo-ing your 420A car. If you want a turbo version, find on that IS STOCK. I cannot stress this more. I know I go on and on about this... but it is only because I am currently living the nightmare of un-doing a horrible hack job and it's costing me A LOT of money.

The 420A in stock form is probably good to 10psi on a smaller frame turbo. Anything more than that, you should look into building the bottom end.

Megasquirt would be worth the time IMO, since this would then give you control over the car's tune. I don't think there is anything out there thats a good "piggyback" for that platform. I have heard of people using a S-AFC; but this is not that great since your 420 car is speed density and the SAFC is designed for MAF setups. It works, but not as well. Don't forget to add a wideband 02, as well.

Oh yeah, invest in slicks when its all said and done..

 

[Fotowntalon]

If you run 8lbs on a 420a, you'll be lucky to come close to the stock performance of a 4G63T car.

not true, but then again posting while knowing what you are talking about is not a requirement for our forums sadly.

@Orlando, you need to use the search button buddy, for just browse the 420 turbo section... there are tons of write ups on boosting a 420a, and a thread for a good piece together turbo kit for under 1grand. If you want to buy a pre-assembled turbo kit, they range from $500-$5000. And another thing you need to do is find out what you really want out of your car. How much HP do you really want to achieve, and on what budget and time frame do you want to accomplish that on. You may find out you want to stay NA, you may find out you just want nitrous, a basic turbo, or may even want a gsx. Basically find out what you want before you go wasting money.

 

[0r1landoDSM]

i agree with what your saying fotowntalon,and yeah ill try to utilize this site a lil more.

i want a car that's completely stock, so im better off staying the 420a and build this bad boy up. its also extremely hard to find a 4g63 stock, i dont trust anyone's mods.

 

[Locke]

~8psi on a 420a tends to put more power to the wheels (~200whp) than a factory 4g63t DSM.

The 420a has some potential.

The 4g63t has more potential.


Decide what you want. If you want to stick with what you have, boost your 420a. If you think you want a 4g63t car, get a 4g63t car.

 

[all_motor_mike]

try building an all motor 4g and see how that does up against a 420a in all motor form. i think the only reason a 4g has and can make more power is because all they have to do is turne the boost up, way up, to the tune of like 45 lbs. and im sure theres some drag cars that are up around 50-55lbs of boost. now trying doing that with a 420a, i dont think it will last very long.


mike

 

[Fotowntalon]

I believe Brent Rau is running 86 lbs, talk about insane. But i agree with what I think you are saying mike, the 420a is a better NA car, the 4g63 is a better boost car.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

If i was you i would give the 420a a chance. It has been proven over and over they can make as much power as a 4g63. You can build a kit for around 700 ish. Seach for stage 2 turbo kit on here and you will find a very well writen form on the parts

You can make 8 psi on all stock motor parts and ive seen up to 26 psi on a fully built block and built head.

Show me a 1000+ hp 420a. You sir, are wrong.

 

[all_motor_mike]

Show me a 1000+ hp 420a. You sir, are wrong.

i can tell by that response that ## a die hard 4g lover

will the neon variant work (the head is just turned around no biggie right)...........

kevin van nattens srt (~1000 whp)
mike crawfords old hot rod car (~1400 whp)
shawn carlsons old pro fwd car (~1400 whp)
len ayala is going for 1k whp in his 1st gen neon


mike

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Okay guys, we don't need a 4G63 vs. 420A debate.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

I want arguing the 4g at all. I was just saying that to the extent of my knowledge there is no 1000 hp 420a powered Talon or Eclipse.

 

[LD25Delta9]

OP: Take your time and get a stock NA 420a and turbo it. In my honest and professional opinion, they are a much easier engine to learn and work on. When it comes to streeting a 420a in comparison to the 4g63, the average DSM'er isn't working with 700+ HP. They are working with anywhere from 250-500HP. These numbers can be achieved on either engine with roughly the same amount of money. It can also be a little less troublesome to build the 420a as there is a limited amount of aftermarket support and there aren't near as many decisions to make pertaining to which brand is better or which brand could possibly perform better than the next. However, the quality products that are offered, are proven and work well.

Oh and get MS. It's the cheapest most effective way to go over 8lbs of boost, reliably.

1000+HP 420a....I'm still working with a local shop for a filled block and welded head running methanol... call me Adam Rau.

 

[0r1landoDSM]

OP: Take your time and get a stock NA 420a and turbo it. In my honest and professional opinion, they are a much easier engine to learn and work on. When it comes to streeting a 420a in comparison to the 4g63, the average DSM'er isn't working with 700+ HP. They are working with anywhere from 250-500HP. These numbers can be achieved on either engine with roughly the same amount of money. It can also be a little less troublesome to build the 420a as there is a limited amount of aftermarket support and there aren't near as many decisions to make pertaining to which brand is better or which brand could possibly perform better than the next. However, the quality products that are offered, are proven and work well.

Oh and get MS. It's the cheapest most effective way to go over 8lbs of boost, reliably.

1000+HP 420a....I'm still working with a local shop for a filled block and welded head running methanol... call me Adam Rau.

i would love to see a 1000+hp 420a DSM

 

[TallestHERETIC]

your best bet is to make a custom turbo kit.

the one's off the shelf for the 420a are tremendously overpriced. you can get better & cheaper parts and barely hit the $1000 mark. way lower if you find the right sources/places!

only bad thing is it will take quite awhile to get everything together since your getting everything piece by piece. this is also assuming your doing the actual labor yourself...

oh yea and don't jump to conclusions and get a 4G63. the 420A gets a bad rep simply because its not boosted from the factory and people treat it like crap.

 

[96 420a-t]

I am getting mine together as we speak. One last part I need is the turbo.

Cast t3 manny $90
Blitz inttercooler $90
Wally 255 $90
1g bov $20
Snynapse missing link(requires mods to work) $50
Russel 4an line (went nice on this one) $70
3in intercooler piping $100
Vortech 12:1 fmy $60
Guages and a pillar mount $120
Exhaust flange for downpipe $13

Left to buy turbo $200

 

[TallestHERETIC]

I am getting mine together as we speak. One last part I need is the turbo.

Cast t3 manny $90
Blitz inttercooler $90
Wally 255 $90
1g bov $20
Snynapse missing link(requires mods to work) $50
Russel 4an line (went nice on this one) $70
3in intercooler piping $100
Vortech 12:1 fmy $60
Guages and a pillar mount $120
Exhaust flange for downpipe $13

Left to buy turbo $200

get a turbo off a junked 90's saab and your straight! you didn't hear it from me though! +1000 pts. if you manage to get a t25 at that price, too.

 

[96 420a-t]

Do t25s have the same flanvge as the t3? I'm gonna go with a godspeed turbo. From what I have found their turbos are decent as long as you don't boost too high.