HELP P.LZ 92Tsi AWD WOn't Start

[93talonfreak]

OK here it goes,, I bought this car that they told me had a bad water pump!! it has been in there garage for the last 2 years!! And i said ok but the car would not start i figured it was the bad smelling gas that was in the car!! So i bought it and towed it home!!

I drained the gas and put 10 gallons of freash gas in it!! Still won't start! So ok i started to check things i put brand new wires and plugs and coil on it!! and i have great spark!!
I check the timming and it's not off at all!
It's getting gas in the chambers, but it's not lightsing the gas

I pulled the fule rail out and it is sparying gas out of the injectors up to like 8 feet so there clean!! I pulled the intake tube off and it sucking air in!! and i put my hand in front of the muffler and it blowing out!! But the car just keep cranking and not fireing!! so took the plugs out and sparyed then with starter fluid and sparyed some into the holes and put them back in and it tryed to start once it like sputterd and then it stoped and it would do it again!!

### help 92 talon awd a/t!

umm it is missing the idel screw but someone put a bolt in the hole with silcone!! i tryed to get out of another car and i can't get it to back out all the way!!

 

[BobPell]

Yes indeed you did!!!!!! Here is a small gift for you

By the way - did you resolve your F/P issue?????

 

[femmeDSM]

YES you did!!! TYVM I award you 5 million points.

Hahaha, thank you *takes a bow*

 

[femmeDSM]

By the way - did you resolve your F/P issue?????

YES, I did. Thank god. Turns out when I re-wired the pump, I bought a bad %&$*&%* RELAY. I tell you what, that's the LAST time I'm buying automotive parts at Radio Shack

Still trying to get the car running now, though. I think it's the injectors now. eh.

Bad times.
.

 

[93talonfreak]

I did not check it in the first post b/c i did not understand how i could have a bad computer if i still had fuel and spark and it was cranking over!

 

[femmeDSM]

I did not check it in the first post b/c i did not understand how i could have a bad computer if i still had fuel and spark and it was cranking over!

Just some friendly advice....Take it for what it's worth:
If a member of the site goes out of their way to help you solve your problem, chances are they know at least a little about what they are talking about (I would hope so anyway). When you stated your problem, I gave you several possible causes, none of which I made up or pulled out of my ass. They were actual solutions to your problem that I have either experienced myself or known of first-hand.

And besides, not to say "I told you so" or anything, but........Whaddya know, turned out to be the ECU anyway, didn't it?

 

[BobPell]

Still trying to get the car running now, though. I think it's the injectors now. eh.

Bad times.
.

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In an earlier post to 93talon... you mentioned the firing order as 4-1-2-3. However my manual states it is 1-3-4-2. Is it different for your ride or is my manual wrong????

 

[femmeDSM]

In an earlier post to 93talon... you mentioned the firing order as 4-1-2-3. However my manual states it is 1-3-4-2. Is it different for your ride or is my manual wrong????

No, your manual is correct. I must have been in a hurry and mis-typed. Thanks for catching that

 

[ddavisaf]

I did not check it in the first post b/c i did not understand how i could have a bad computer if i still had fuel and spark and it was cranking over!

If ever in doubt, check the ECU...

 

[BobPell]

If ever in doubt, check the ECU...

I going to buy another even if I can just replace the caps in the existing. It seems like too many people are having difficulties with them. If it gets a little warmer today I'll pul it but I hate the cold.

 

[93talonfreak]

Well i'm going to have the ecu rebuilt,, when i get it back and put it in!! we will see if that was the hole problem!

 

[BobPell]

Well i'm going to have the ecu rebuilt,, when i get it back and put it in!! we will see if that was the hole problem!

Who is rebuilding it? What is the cost? Perhaps I can have mine done as well!!

 

[93talonfreak]

well in less i find a better deal a shop here local to me is going to do it for 225$ it's a lot but i need it fixed! So you have to do what you have to do !! you might look on ebay i saw a bunch of 1.8 ecu on there and some 2.0 turbos and n/t's so i'm sure you could find a rebuilt one on ebay cheaper than haveing yours rebuilt!! have you even opended it and loooked in it yet?

 

[BobPell]

well in less i find a better deal a shop here local to me is going to do it for 225$ it's a lot but i need it fixed! So you have to do what you have to do !! you might look on ebay i saw a bunch of 1.8 ecu on there and some 2.0 turbos and n/t's so i'm sure you could find a rebuilt one on ebay cheaper than haveing yours rebuilt!! have you even opended it and loooked in it yet?

No- it's too cold for me!!!!!

But I may have a source for you - I've been doing some research and I found a company in Florida. They do all kinds of stuff for DSMs.

http://www.foreignecurepair.com/ 1 800 241 6689

Let me know if this is helpful!!!

 

[aadperformance]

I've gotten an ecu from there before. Just another standard company. All they did was send me a remanufactured ecu they had and it all worked out just fine. Good busniness I guess, a little pricey but hey it got the job done. 93talonfreak I know where you can get a completely rebuilt 91-94 ecu, new caps and socketed e-prom for $250 shipped usps if interested

 

[aadperformance]

I understand that femmedsm wants the credit, however I am the one that made it simple and straight foward to understand that the ecu needs to be checked.

 

[93talonfreak]

Yea you did!!! send me a link or number to that place i would like to look into it!! i was looking for an eprom!!

 

[BobPell]

I understand that femmedsm wants the credit, however I am the one that made it simple and straight foward to understand that the ecu needs to be checked.

I pulled my EDU and the caps are wet. I put a new post in the "Problem Diag." section as I need to find a source of the caps. I have a local fellow that will install them.

Actually this thread got a little confusing. I just got a 90 N/T and it won't start. when i read the original post from 93Talon.... I chirped as we were having the exact problem.

3 people answered that the ECU was the problem. From the date and times Femme said it first. But you were all correct. You should all get the credit in my opinion.

 

[aadperformance]

pinamotorsports.com You can get there phone number off the site, tell him I sent you if you want to get the good price, cause normally he sells them for $350. Tell him Chris in Alaska told you to call him.

 

[93talonfreak]

All Right will do!!

And if you look in the classifieds you will find tons of ECU turbos non turbos eprom all that just look around in there!!!

 

[93talonfreak]

OK guys got my new ecu in!! and well guess what no difference at all!! The car will fire and shoot fire balls out the intake,, and make a his noice like a blow off vavle from the intake but it will not start!! it just cranks and crankS!!

The Ecu is brand new

i have good spark

Good compression

Good gass and it is getting in the chambers, soaking the plugs!

but it wont start!! I don't believe the timming is right! i have checked it once but what else could cause this!

 

[93talonfreak]

cOME ON GUYS,, you all gave me shit that the computer was bad and i replaced it and it made no damm difference!! it cranks and if i hold the gas all the way down it back fires and if i don'pt hold the peddel it blows it out some where else!! sounds like a blow off!!


But i have spark and it's in the right order,,

I have gas getting to it (hint the back fire)

It has compression!!

Why won't it start!

 

[femmeDSM]

Hate to break it to you, but if you have fuel, compression, and fire at the right time, the car has no choice but to start....Engines (that part of them, at least) are not that complicated, and starting a car is a pretty straightforward process.

You have got to be missing one of these components somewhere along the way. Tell us again exactly how you are testing for fuel, timing, and spark, and we can go from there.

 

[eclipse_20g]

OK guys got my new ecu in!! and well guess what no difference at all!! The car will fire and shoot fire balls out the intake,, and make a his noice like a blow off vavle from the intake but it will not start!! it just cranks and crankS!!

The Ecu is brand new

i have good spark

Good compression

Good gass and it is getting in the chambers, soaking the plugs!

but it wont start!! I don't believe the timming is right! i have checked it once but what else could cause this!

Flame balls out your intake? How exactly is this happening? You have your upper intercooler pipe off? That needs to be on if so. You also said you were spraying it w/ ether while cranking at one point which leads me to believe your upper pipe is off. Is this the case?

Oh and BTW..... !!

 

[femmeDSM]

Flame balls out your intake? How exactly is this happening?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too....I was like WTF
haha. That's a new one for me

 

[BobPell]

cOME ON GUYS,, you all gave me shit that the computer was bad and i replaced it and it made no damm difference!! it cranks and if i hold the gas all the way down it back fires and if i don'pt hold the peddel it blows it out some where else!! sounds like a blow off!!


But i have spark and it's in the right order,,

I have gas getting to it (hint the back fire)

It has compression!!

Why won't it start!

As you sure you have the firing order right???? 1-3-4-2 with #1 at the belt end