Help me to choose the turbo please!!!!

[Stez]

Looks like my stock turbo is dead and now i'd like to buy a new one. I want to make about 400 hp, so i need some aftermarket unit.

There are so many different turbos on the market, and the prices is very different too, can You advise me some optimal decision, i mean quality + low price???

I found on ebay a few turbos from XS Power and SSAutochrome, but there are a lot of different opinions about this units, can anybody tell me for sure is that good anouth or real shit?????

Thanks

 

[eclipseGSTud]

I would not recommend you to buy from ssautochrome or xs power. Below are three links to discussions about them and their products (i.e., turbo kit):

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202409&highlight=ssautochrome+turbo

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204320&highlight=ssautochrome+turbo

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203309&highlight=ssautochrome+turbo


What is your spending budget for the new turbo? AGP's RS49T and SBR's G50 are both affordable turbos you might want to look into. Other vendors you should check are slowboyracing, thespeedfactor, logicperformance, forcedperformance, etc. Do some searching and I'm sure you'll find the one you want. Some of these turbos have a 1 year warranty, so look for that also.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

if you TRULY want to hit the 400whp mark, you will have to go with at least a t3/t4 hybrid.

your mod's list is NOT updated, so if you could, do that first. Also, since your turbo is dead, go ahead and select a new turbo and use it as a replacement.

keep in mind, that UNTIL you get supporting mods and turn up the boost, a 50trim will feel like sh*t.

do more searches before you make a decision. the type of turbo you choose will ultimately help or not help you. DO NOT pick a turbo that is too large for your goal, or your purposes (daily driven, or track)

 

[NewB2dsm]

keep in mind, that UNTIL you get supporting mods and turn up the boost, a 50trim will feel like sh*t.

Most 50trims even with the boost turned up and still shit. Id take my 16g over a PTE 50trim anyday.

But if you are just wanting a 400hp at the crank a evo 16g will do that.

 

[v2ner]

you don't need a T3/T4 to hit 400 HP. it's achievable w/ many others such as EVO III, 20G, etc...

 

[VRMAN]

Ugghh, this is internet banter to the fullest. It is NOT easy to just throw an Evo16G on your car and make 400hp so stop saying dumb shit like that. Have people made 350whp on a 16G? Sure. Did they do it in any sort of daily driven capacity? HELL NO. If you drive your car frequently then you'd probably like to make good power on pump gas and be close to 400hp in the trim that you are most frequently in. A 16G is not good for that. It'll make high 200s if you want it to and that is very fast too, but you aren't going to make 400hp on a 16G so dead that arguement.


People who say they rather have a 16G to a PTE 50 trim have never driven a 50trim. I didn't check if you were AWD or front but in this regard, it won't matter. 400 is a lot of HP to shoot for so make sure you have your other mods in place. FMIC/fuel and fuel control/full 3" turboback are all necessities.

I would recommend looking into a 60trim. Great pump gas power, moderate spool and great top end. More power than a 50trim but not so big that it spools like shit like some of the bigger turbos (60-1, etc) It is at the "big" end of the spectrum of medium sized drag turbos. A 60 trim equipped turbo car will smash a similarly modded 16G turbo car. Here is a link for a 60trim that is on sale new for about $190 more than a 16G:

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[NewB2dsm]

Ugghh, this is internet banter to the fullest. It is NOT easy to just throw an Evo16G on your car and make 400hp so stop saying dumb shit like that.

It is pretty easy to make 400HP CRANK! on the 16g actually. Maybe you cant but its not hard at all. Expecially an evo 16g.

Have people made 350whp on a 16G? Sure. Did they do it in any sort of daily driven capacity? HELL NO. If you drive your car frequently then you'd probably like to make good power on pump gas and be close to 400hp in the trim that you are most frequently in. A 16G is not good for that. It'll make high 200s if you want it to and that is very fast too, but you aren't going to make 400hp on a 16G so dead that arguement.

You obviously have never driven a 300awhp 16g pump gas car before. I just happen to own one. My car made 303awhp on pump gas at 20psi on the SMALL 16g.And made 338awhp on race gas at 25psi. All bolt ons plus a set of comp cams installed straight up. Its VERY streetable, i drove it to flordia (over 1000miles one way) Denver for a road course day, chicago twice and to the past 3 shootouts. I think thats pretty damn streetable since its my daily driver and all too. So i would say your argument that its not streetable is dead.

]People who say they rather have a 16G to a PTE 50 trim have never driven a 50trim. I didn't check if you were AWD or front but in this regard, it won't matter. 400 is a lot of HP to shoot for so make sure you have your other mods in place. FMIC/fuel and fuel control/full 3" turboback are all necessities.

Your right about one thing so far, i have never driven a 50trim powere car. But i have driven a full t4 setup car and liked it. I have a very good freind who has a 1g and with the big 16g went 12.3 then with a PTE 50trim and a set of FP stage 2cams went only 11.9. And this kid is not dumb. The 12.3 on the big 16g was done just with track tuning with a logger. Everyone around here has had problems with the PTE 50trim. So i would rather have my 16g over that.

I would recommend looking into a 60trim. Great pump gas power, moderate spool and great top end. More power than a 50trim but not so big that it spools like shit like some of the bigger turbos (60-1, etc) It is at the "big" end of the spectrum of medium sized drag turbos.

overkill in my eyes. People just to somthing that they really dont need to get the job done. Kinda like digging a 1foot hole. Sure its faster and easier to do with a backhoe but you can do the same thing with a shovel.

A 60 trim equipped turbo car will smash a similarly modded 16G turbo car. Here is a link for a 60trim that is on sale new for about $190 more than a 16G:

Your right, but you could have put in "should" smash a smiliarly modded 16g car. I have beat my fair share of 50trims with my small 16g. And this evo 16g is a completely different turbo.


Overall, if you are just shooting for 400crank HP an evo 16g should get you there. B/c lets face you are not going to make 400hp on any turbo without supporting mods. So its just the turbo we are deciding and the evo 16g is more than capable of making 400crank HP. Ifyou want to go larger just for some head room, I personly would stay away with anything PTE and go with a FP green or a 20g.

 

[almostquick]

very well put NewB2. I made 306whp on a 14b, now switching over to a 20G with plans on making 400 whp on stock intake mani. In my opinion if you want to go the t3/t4 or a straight up variant of either, you should do it right, either using the .63 a/r housing or even bigger if you want, I hate this bolt t3/t4 BS, its a nasty restriction on exhaust flow. In my opinion I would say to go with a 20G, tried and true. good luck on what ever you choose .

 

[Stez]

I have 1G AWD Turbo car.

I am going to make such mod's in nearest time:
1) Good intake (mostly 2'', particularty aluminium or maybe even fully aluminium tubing) with FMIC, 3'' exhaust system with 3'' catback and withour catalitic converter, something about 650 cc injectors, AFPR, HP fuel pump, ACT flywheel and clutch, Apexi Safc 2, possibly HKS cam shafts, may be evo 3 header or header with t3/t4 flange (if necessary), and possibly i lost something else....

2) and in future maybe more mods of engine (like metal head gasket, forged pistons and rods...) but not sure for awhile about this mods.

Some of the (1) mods is already done, can You advise me which turbo is better for such mods list evo 3 big 16g or for example Garrett t3/t04e 57 trim???
is Garrett will be good for such mods or it's will be to big and better to choose big 16G?

 

[LRS95TSI]

it just depends on if ## wanting 400 crank or 400 wheel. 400 crank i say go 20g to make it easier. 400 wheel i say 50 trim ball bearing. i currently have an evo3 and i personally think without adding cams the 400hp is pretty hard, it can b done, but a 20g will get u there alot quicker and easier with less boost. goodluck!

 

[v2ner]

FYI...VRMAN, i have a daily driven 2G that runs on 110 w/ the boost set at 27psi. yes, it is very possible to have a 400+HP DD. i would know since i have one.

 

[VRMAN]

FYI...VRMAN, i have a daily driven 2G that runs on 110 w/ the boost set at 27psi. yes, it is very possible to have a 400+HP DD. i would know since i have one.

Do you think this is what the AVERAGE DSM owners does? This guy doesn't even know what turbo would make 400hp. I am glad you have the know how and setup to run that type of boost but "Joe DSM" doesn't. That's the whole point I'm trying to make to the board. I said it can be done but it isn't a good way to go about it and certainly wouldn't be easy for him. I'm sorry but let's just agree to disagree about this whole 400hp and 16G arguement because I will NEVER agree that the "best" choice of turbo for power output that high is a 16G and neither do most DSM heads that I talk to do either, that is including RNR racing and Road Race Engineering either. All goes back to "can it be done? Yes. Is it much easier with a bigger turbo than a 16G? Of course.

You want a daily driver, PUMP GAS running DSM to make big power then pick a big turbo, it's that easy.

 

[Stapl3]

Joe-DSM gets an eleventy huge turbo and a 1000 dollar manifold and some 950cc injectors and runs 14's.

 

[~laser_craver~]

The last post is 100% true. There isnt relaly a need for a huge ass turbo. 400hp is attainable on a 16g. Running a EVo3 16g and supporting mods with a good tune you can hit 400hp very easily. Dont get me wrong 50 trims are the way to go if you want more then that and they do have hp gains in certain areas. But 400hp is a reachable goal with a 16g and youll posses quick spooling characteristics. SBR did it more then once so dont think it isnt possible. And a evo 3 16g is going for bout 600 bucks now. And rember you can have all the best stuff in the world and still not be fast, tuning is the key .

 

[v2ner]

yes, a lot of people won't reach this point with their cars and that's why they and we are here. unlike other ignorant people, i'm here to help out the inexperienced. you know what VRMAN, i agree w/ your point about a 16G and 50 trim though. there, we're all one happy family

 

[94Jettameowpsst]

27psi with 110 leads me to believe you have every bolt on imaginable and an evo 3. That high of boost yields a smaller turbo.
If you want something streetable and wanna hit that number on pump, id go with a gt 30, a 60 trim, or something of that nature. Not only will you not have to run 92837459 psi but you have PLENTY of juice left in the turbo to break stuff with . Id personally go with a gt30-35r, but thats just me. Idk, i think its a lot cooler to say you hit 400whp with pump rather than saying yea, i hit 400whp on pump....with water injection, 45psi, and a 50 shot

 

[Stez]

Actually i will have no possibility to run 110 leads, only the pump gas (may be sometimes 98 premium), futhermore I live in Kiev (Ukraine, it is eastern Europe) and the quality of fuel in our country is very bad, really baaad!!!!!! and to run very high boost on that fuel is real problem.... thats actually why i'm asking about bigger turbo

Correct me please if i'm wrong:
If i will put a 50 trim i will get a better high end power and it will be better for drag, but such turbo will have moderate spool, and low rpm's will have not much power... during calm daily driving at low rpm's the millage will be lower. It means that i will have a power car for drag on high rpm's and good millage for calm daily driving.
If i will put a 16g i will have better spool but less high end power, it will be better for fast daily driving but worse for drag than 50 trim.

Am i wright?????

 

[almostquick]

why dont we look at it in another way, in my mind a dyno number, is only a number from a good tune, so that you can run good times at the track. so the question is how fast do you want to go, 11's maybe? if thats the case you can get away with anything from a 16G to a green to achieve your goals. more tuning will be needed with the 16G apposed to the Green, and etc.

 

[dsm-onster]

27psi with 110 leads me to believe you have every bolt on imaginable and an evo 3. That high of boost yields a smaller turbo.
If you want something streetable and wanna hit that number on pump, id go with a gt 30, a 60 trim, or something of that nature. Not only will you not have to run 92837459 psi but you have PLENTY of juice left in the turbo to break stuff with . Id personally go with a gt30-35r, but thats just me. Idk, i think its a lot cooler to say you hit 400whp with pump rather than saying yea, i hit 400whp on pump....with water injection, 45psi, and a 50 shot

Man I agree with you on everything . But the water injection. You don't need nitrous. I even agree that the original poster should go bigger turbo if he wants 400whp. I think that an EVO3 16G can achieve this but why push it and get disappointed.

But remember this, it is really easy to just fill up your water injection tank. And all of a sudden you're running 110 octane gas. It makes every setup happy. I sat go "disco-potato" (gt35r) all the way. But, if you already have the E3 16G, add WI to get your 400 whp.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I don't know about you, but the discopotatoe to me is the GT28RS

 

[dsm-onster]

I don't know about you, but the discopotatoe to me is the GT28RS

You know. You're most likely right. I am not up with my GT series turbos by any stretch . I was looking at the compressor map and it looks great for the goal.

 

[CorvetteBoy]

C'mon guys, lets not throw too much misinformation in the air. Its unfair to innocent by-standers who read this and eat it right up. The thought that an Evo3 16G can make 400HP on PUMP Gas is a very touchy subject, mostly because its close to the upper spectrum of what that turbo can do.

You'll notice overall, not very many guys hit 300AWHP on a 16g car, especially without pulling out all the stops (cams, smim, dsmlink, etc). Now don't get me wrong fellas, has it been done, yes... How often can it be produced? Not as often as some of you like to make it sound. For this reason alone, i completely agree with what VRMAN has said in the arguement as to which is the easiest 400HP turbo, Evo3 or 50 trim.

The difference is simply the 50 Trim will flop down 400HP without blinking and still be in its efficiency range where as the Evo3 is screaming for mercy. Why not just go 50 Trim, do a conservative tune and get the 400hp and have tons left over if you want more in the future?

I bought a Evo3 18 months ago, because of all the "best thing since sliced bread" topics about it on here, and now i regret it because it doesn't have enough to pull me to my goals.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

C'mon guys, lets not throw too much misinformation in the air. Its unfair to innocent by-standers who read this and eat it right up. The thought that an Evo3 16G can make 400HP on PUMP Gas is a very touchy subject, mostly because its close to the upper spectrum of what that turbo can do.

You'll notice overall, not very many guys hit 300AWHP on a 16g car, especially without pulling out all the stops (cams, smim, dsmlink, etc). Now don't get me wrong fellas, has it been done, yes... How often can it be produced? Not as often as some of you like to make it sound. For this reason alone, i completely agree with what VRMAN has said in the arguement as to which is the easiest 400HP turbo, Evo3 or 50 trim.

The difference is simply the 50 Trim will flop down 400HP without blinking and still be in its efficiency range where as the Evo3 is screaming for mercy. Why not just go 50 Trim, do a conservative tune and get the 400hp and have tons left over if you want more in the future?

I bought a Evo3 18 months ago, because of all the "best thing since sliced bread" topics about it on here, and now i regret it because it doesn't have enough to pull me to my goals.

You must not know what your doing then. My buddy KPWSerpiente pulled 320 WHP And 323 Tq on the Evo III 16G, with no cams, no FMIC. I think many of the people who dont achieve the 300 WHP goal like you said, dont know what there doing. Ive seen plenty of 300+ AWHP evo III powered DSM's. There is a guy on here named ShapeGSX or something that ran an [email protected] on an Evo III 16G. A Evo III is more than capable of pulling anyone to there goals. And Wendy pulled a 12.2 on her FWD on a big 16g. The fact is many people just want to go "big" because they think that is the solution to all there problems. Not knowing how much tuning, maintainence, and skill it requires..then they get that 14 second timeslip with a big turbo..and then they want to go small again. If you know what your doing..by all means go big and do the job right the first time. But there are people here who have different goals in mind than just having a giant sized turbo in there engine bay. Yes im sure an Evo III is a waste of money.

 

[CorvetteBoy]

I see where your coming from, and i understand the point your trying to make. But many things have to be put into consideration, if your friend made 320AWHP on E3 16G without any Cam/SMIM/High comp bottom end, then yeah he must be one hell of a tuner.

I'll be the first to admit, when i bought all the stuff i did from Slowboy 18 months ago... I had mechanical knowledge, ask me to put a whole car together and i will do it for ya. However i lacked the general know how of tuning.

I finally went out, bought myself a wideband 02, and in 2 weeks i am picking up DSMlink and tossing my stupid S-AFC. Unfortunatly, at this time of year my car is now in storage and i'll have to wait until spring to bring it back out. I'm still debating whether or not i am sticking with my Evo3 or not.

I know exactly what you mean when you say you've seen alot of 300WHP 16Gs on here, but i can say i've seen alot more with less than that.. But maybe like we both say, it comes down to improper tuning.

However no where in my post did i say the Evo3 is not worth the money, especially with the deal at Turbochargers.com on them right now i'd say they are *definitly* worth the price of admission. But, i don't like how guys say its easy to make 400hp on them when they haven't even done it!

 

[2gGSX]

I think the general consensus is that it will be easier to make power in the high 300's with a 50 trim (bolt on or otherwise). It can be agreed that huge power CAN be made on an evo 3 16g and fast times can be ran with them, however that will be at the searing edge of the turbo's capabilities whereas with the 50 trim you will have room to grow, and your setup will not be strained quite as much.