Help! 1g eclipse 4g63t swap

[swap4gains]

i have a 1992 eclipse 1.8(92hp) 5-speed (too slow)
i want: 4g63t swap. no i will not sell the car and buy a gsx my car is in great condition and i dont wanna part from it. could the 4g63t engine bolt to the current 5 speed fwd in the car now? if so would it be a good idea? if not would the gst (fwd) tranny be an easier swap? im looking for cheapest, best route (of course) not sure what to do. any info on the swap would be GREATLY appreciated. aslo any reccomendations or what the swap would require would be awesome! thanx in advance

 

[Achelea]

Yes, it's possible.

The first rule about posting though is to look it up. Look on Vfaq.

http://www.angelfire.com/il2/freestyle/turboconversion.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...48231-installing-turbo-4g63-into-nt-4g63.html

No, the gearing is different for one. The ECU is different as well. Pretty much you need a Donor car to pull parts from. that's if you want to stay FWD. AWD you're asking for a LOT of work, and a Lot of headache.

 

[swap4gains]

i apologize i have been trying to find info on this swap. the motor i believe is a 4g37 thats in it now. what do you suggest?

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

I swapped a 6 bolt 4G63t into my 1991 4G63 n/t. Engine, trans, ecu, wiring, the works. Its all in my blog. I'm not 100% sure with the 1.8l liter though if it is a direct swap, but I would imagine so. I'm sure DSM would have kept as much stuff the same to save money so the mounts should work. You will definitely need the 4G63t transmission though. I recommend trying to get everything for a total swap like I did, it makes it a lot easier.

 

[91NTTalon]

Its a lot of money but worth it in my opinion. You will need a new ecu wiring harness tranny engine and thats it. are the motor mounts different from the 1.8 and the 2.0?

 

[swap4gains]

so yall would suggest the complete 4g63t with awd trans and ecu? thanks for all the replies

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Who said an AWD transmission? I'm running the GST FWD transmission.

 

[Achelea]

No, we're advising against it. The rear subframe on the FWD and the AWD is Completely different. To give you an idea of what you need to do, you would need a COMPLETE DONOR car to get the swap done. IE you need to buy an AWD DSM anyways.

At that point, it would be cheaper to just work on the AWD and keep the 1.8 as a daily.

You would need the Engine, the wiring harness, and the Trans from a FWD turbo to swap into yours.

The AWD and the FWD trans are Totally different.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

No, we're advising against it. The rear subframe on the FWD and the AWD is Completely different. To give you an idea of what you need to do, you would need a COMPLETE DONOR car to get the swap done. IE you need to buy an AWD DSM anyways.

At that point, it would be cheaper to just work on the AWD and keep the 1.8 as a daily.

You would need the Engine, the wiring harness, and the Trans from a FWD turbo to swap into yours.

The AWD and the FWD trans are Totally different.

Where is all this AWD talk coming from? All the OP said was "no i will not sell the car and buy a gsx". The way I read it he is just looking to convert his 1.8 FWD into a 2.0 turbo FWD. Am I right swap4gains?

 

[Achelea]

Where is all this AWD talk coming from? All the OP said was "no i will not sell the car and buy a gsx". The way I read it he is just looking to convert his 1.8 FWD into a 2.0 turbo FWD. Am I right swap4gains?

Sorry, my fault. @_@ I mentioned it being a lot of work, and that reminded me of some one else's FWD to AWD swap, which was more work.

OP meant just the engine swap.

 

[black91awdturbo]

No, we're advising against it. The rear subframe on the FWD and the AWD is Completely different. To give you an idea of what you need to do, you would need a COMPLETE DONOR car to get the swap done. IE you need to buy an AWD DSM anyways.

At that point, it would be cheaper to just work on the AWD and keep the 1.8 as a daily.

You would need the Engine, the wiring harness, and the Trans from a FWD turbo to swap into yours.

The AWD and the FWD trans are Totally different.

Why would he need a AWD car he has a FWD 1.8l if he could locate a recked fwd turbo car he could pull all of the stuff needed from it. The trans from an AWD could be used if you weld the imput hole shut, I would not go that route anyway though. I would just find a donor fwd or buy the stuff part by part....

 

[Achelea]

Why would he need a AWD car he has a FWD 1.8l if he could locate a recked fwd turbo car he could pull all of the stuff needed from it. The trans from an AWD could be used if you weld the imput hole shut, I would not go that route anyway though. I would just find a donor fwd or buy the stuff part by part....

I thought it was a bit more than that. . . Sides, the AWD is geared to 140 top end, and the FWDs are geared to 160, aren't they?

 

[black91awdturbo]

I thought it was a bit more than that. . . Sides, the AWD is geared to 140 top end, and the FWDs are geared to 160, aren't they?

Yes the gearing is a tad different but it still can be used. I remember way back in the days before all of the trans builders did fwd trans the fwd would take the built awd trans weld the imput hole shut and rock it. I personally did it on one of my old old fwd cars you cant tell a difference in the gear ratios really...

 

[nothingfiction]

thats all anyones answer to anything is. sell it and get a gsx/tsiawd

after awhile you just ignore it and do your own thing. kind of like listening to honda guys telling you to sell your pontiac grand am/toyota celica/ nissan skyline to get a honda civic. yeah, they all think their engine is built by God himself. Why not sell your 600hp stock porsche too just so you can have a 2-300 hp 4G63T.

Q: "What's the proper spark gap?"
A: Sell it and get a 4G63T
Seems to be everyones answer to just about everything

How about you sell your 4G63T and get a LS1 engine?
Don't like that answer? Suck my tit. Sell your 4G63 and get a LV12 (from Lamborghini Murciélago)

 

[Achelea]

thats all anyones answer to anything is. sell it and get a gsx/tsiawd

*Facepalms* Wasn't saying he shouldn't try it. It is Entirely possible. It's Very possible. It's been done. It's just a lot of work that most people are not willing to put forth. Or alternatively, they start and get overwhelmed.

If He's up for it, It's awesome for him. if not, it's a lesson learned. . . and spare parts for later.

I never said Sell it. I just think it would be easier to get a GS(T/X) to start with.

That said, I'm not entirely sane either. . . I wanna make a 96 Camaro MR and another one AWD. Possibly both. No, it doesn't make any sense. But I don't wanna jack this guy's thread with an off topic discussion.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

thats all anyones answer to anything is. sell it and get a gsx/tsiawd

after awhile you just ignore it and do your own thing. kind of like listening to honda guys telling you to sell your pontiac grand am/toyota celica/ nissan skyline to get a honda civic. yeah, they all think their engine is built by God himself. Why not sell your 600hp stock porsche too just so you can have a 2-300 hp 4G63T.

Q: "What's the proper spark gap?"
A: Sell it and get a 4G63T
Seems to be everyones answer to just about everything

How about you sell your 4G63T and get a LS1 engine?
Don't like that answer? Suck my tit. Sell your 4G63 and get a LV12 (from Lamborghini Murciélago)

i want: 4g63t swap.

The OP said he wants to swap a 4G63t into his 1.8 l. We are answering his questions. Nobody is answering an unrelated question by telling him to swap a 4G63t into it. We are answering his question. What are you answering? Nothing. Go suck your own tit.

 

[RadDsm]

thats all anyones answer to anything is. sell it and get a gsx/tsiawd

after awhile you just ignore it and do your own thing. kind of like listening to honda guys telling you to sell your pontiac grand am/toyota celica/ nissan skyline to get a honda civic. yeah, they all think their engine is built by God himself. Why not sell your 600hp stock porsche too just so you can have a 2-300 hp 4G63T.

Q: "What's the proper spark gap?"
A: Sell it and get a 4G63T
Seems to be everyones answer to just about everything

How about you sell your 4G63T and get a LS1 engine?
Don't like that answer? Suck my tit. Sell your 4G63 and get a LV12 (from Lamborghini Murciélago)

n00b

No one is telling him to sell it and buy a gst/x. These types of posts are really your only type of contribution to this site. Stop trying to play the victim card because you have a POS n/t. Nobody wants to suck your tit and nobody wants to swap a v12.

To the OP- good luck with the swap, not many who started, have finished. It would be nice to see someone follow through on it.

 

[nothingfiction]

n00b

No one is telling him to sell it and buy a gst/x. These types of posts are really your only type of contribution to this site. Stop trying to play the victim card because you have a POS n/t. Nobody wants to suck your tit and nobody wants to swap a v12.

The OP said he wants to swap a 4G63t into his 1.8 l. We are answering his questions. Nobody is answering an unrelated question by telling him to swap a 4G63t into it. We are answering his question. What are you answering? Nothing. Go suck your own tit.

Original Post:

i have a 1992 eclipse 1.8(92hp) 5-speed (too slow)
i want: 4g63t swap. no i will not sell the car and buy a gsx my car is in great condition and i dont wanna part from it.

Apparently he has been told to sell it as many times as i have too. So don't say im playing any card because your an ass.

i was going to leave this thread alone but after reading 9!'clipseDOHC's post (listed below) it was already brought the eff up.

Where is all this AWD talk coming from? All the OP said was "no i will not sell the car and buy a gsx". The way I read it he is just looking to convert his 1.8 FWD into a 2.0 turbo FWD. Am I right swap4gains?

AND TO ANSWER THE OP'S QUESTION...
Look at my signature! You want an answer, i did the reverse of what you are doing!
i took a Plymouth Laser RS with the 2.0 4G63 and swapped a Mitsubishi Eclipse 1.8 4G37 into it.
the Laser's original engine was blown, the eclipse's transmission was shot. i got it to work.
took some time and doner parts but its possible.

 

[RadDsm]

Original Post:


Apparently he has been told to sell it as many times as i have too. So don't say im playing any card because your an ass.

i was going to leave this thread alone but after reading 9!'clipseDOHC's post (listed below) it was already brought the eff up.


AND TO ANSWER THE OP'S QUESTION...
Look at my signature! You want an answer, i did the reverse of what you are doing!
i took a Plymouth Laser RS with the 2.0 4G63 and swapped a Mitsubishi Eclipse 1.8 4G37 into it.
the Laser's original engine was blown, the eclipse's transmission was shot. i got it to work.
took some time and doner parts but its possible.

Most people are told to sell it and buy a gst/x because most will end up spending a bunch of money on parts and wasting a lot of time, and not following through with it. Why do that when an Awd 1g can be found for so damn cheap?

No one has been told to sell their car when asking what the spark plug gap should be.

To your claim of swapping a 2.0 for a 1.8- I don't believe you. Not only would that be a waste of time and money, it would be dumb. Taking a slow motor out and putting a slower motor in isn't the smartest thing to do.

Stop cluttering this thread with crap, nothing that you've posted has been useful.

 

[nothingfiction]

i won't clutter this thread anymore...

but i did it because it was cheaper than buying another car. 500 bucks for the car itself, the swap, and tools i didnt have at the time.
call my BS all you want. 500 bucks is still cheaper than paying over a couple grand on a car.
it only took me a month of downtime to complete. but hey dont listen to me. i'm useless and just piss and moan because i want to

play the victim card because you have a POS n/t

 

[swap4gains]

yes i want to keep the car and swap the motor...so what i have gained through your replies is that i need to find a gst motor and tranny and harness. it seems like all the engine site i have found only sell it with the awd tranny....anyone know of any places to get the gst tranny? otherwise i guess i will be looking into finding a donor car.... thanks for the helpful info

 

[black91awdturbo]

You can use the awd trans if thats all you can find you just need to weld the imput hole shut and you good to go.

 

[karldkd]

im getting ready to do the same thing you are the only place i found that has a fwd trans is dsmgraveyard.com good luck im planing on buying the one with the awd trans and selling that or keeping it idk yet for sure but thats where im at with it it looks like there are a few parts to locate the intercooler oil cooler and maybe something else idk wont know till i do it



i know this thread is old but idk if he has started or is still looking into it sorry ..