Ford Powerstroke Turbo on DSM?

[92_talon_awd]

I have searched and didn't really find anything except Holset threads. I'm not really sure about how the Holset turbo setup works. The way I understand it is you can get a turbo off of a diesel truck (dodge cummins?) and either bolt it up to a new T3/T4 manifold or buy a DSM hotside from BEP, swap it out, and mount it to your DSM mani. I have the chance to buy a brand new turbo for a 2007 6.0L Powerstroke F350 for $300. Is this turbo a Holset? If not, is there a way to make this work on my DSM that wouldn't be counter productive? Thanks.

 

[218dsm]

turbo is a garret..i work at a ford dealer and i own a dsm....I dont believe you can use the 6.o turbo on our cars bc of a vaariable vein pressure sensor that they use...trust me i have a bunch of these layin around and would love to put a big turbo on!!! you could try but im almost positive it wont work

 

[viperlp01]

Defidently a garret but i dont think they have the vein technology.. i heard they run 2 turbos now.. Im pretty sure if you could get more info on it you could do some research and find out what size housing it has and go from there..

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

6.4 powerstrokes use 2 turbos and are the only powerstrokes that use 2 turbos, 6.0 powerstokes have one variable vane, or vgt, turbo. For you to succesfully use a vgt turbo you have to do a good deal of work and the outcome might be worth it but be prepared for some work.

 

[dannyd97gst]

The sicko powerjoke turbos are junk on a Ford, really not sure why though. They are a vgt, variable geometry turbo, and I can't see any benefits to using one on a non-diesel vehicle. Someone on here has a secret spot for buying holsets cheap, maybe they'll chime in and help you out.

 

[92_talon_awd]

Thanks for the responses. I searched all over google and discovered it's a single turbo system but it's variable geometry. Couple other people said that so I'll assume it's true. I don't think I'm ready to mess with that, car is a DD and all. Guess I'll just keep lookin for a good deal. Maybe one day I'll get rid of this Hahn Super crap

 

[MOTOR-RX]

i have 2 6.0 powerstrokes and several turbos laying here in my shop/

thought about it to, then when reality kicked in for the time and money there are many better options

 

[92_talon_awd]

I know a guy who has a turbo for sell, he said he's pretty sure it's a 48 trim with a/r 64 on the compressor and a/r 115 on the exhaust. Does this sound right? Is this a diesel turbo?

 

[JusMX141]

I know a guy who has a turbo for sell, he said he's pretty sure it's a 48 trim with a/r 64 on the compressor and a/r 115 on the exhaust. Does this sound right? Is this a diesel turbo?

Don't jack around with junk that cannot be idenfied with strange inlet/outlet flanges and such. The chances that you'll come up with something that hasn't been done already are slim to none, and if it was something worth doing you would already have heard about it (i.e.- the 500 pages of Holset info on this site).

It's a daily driver, you don't want to deal with late spool / no pull.

Maybe one day I'll get rid of this Hahn Super crap

You can always upgrade to an Evo III 16G.

 

[92_talon_awd]

I did have a Evo16g at one time but I've decided I want to go a little bigger. I made a dumb choice when I "upgraded" to a 20g by picking one of the worst 20g's out there. No research = total waste of money on a turbo that spools late and is now needing a rebuild. I've been researching a bit now looking at a new setup. I got a little over 300whp on a Mustang dyno with this crap turbo, bad tune, and a now deceased motor. Now that I've got a new motor and good tuning capability, I want a new turbo. I'd like to see somewhere from 400-450 and from what I've read the holset is a fairly simple route to get there. I'm just going to have to keep slogging through the insane amount of holset posts to figure out what will work best for me.

 

[JusMX141]

No research = total waste of money on a turbo that spools late and is now needing a rebuild. I've been researching a bit now looking at a new setup. I got a little over 300whp on a Mustang dyno with this crap turbo, bad tune, and a now deceased motor.

Sounds like the deceased motor also led to a deceased 20G.

I'm just going to have to keep slogging through the insane amount of holset posts to figure out what will work best for me.

HX35, BEP .70a/r T3 turbine housing at 30psi.

 

[92_talon_awd]

Thanks for the tip, I'll start checking vendors to find prices. Never thought about the turbo being slayed by the motor but it seems like a very possible idea. I did blow a nice chunk of piston/piston ring.

 

[JusMX141]

Blown engines lead to blown turbos, no doubt about that.

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[kp116]

What are you goals? A simple hx35 with the bep .55 a/r housing will net 450+whp.. I am on a hx40 with a bolt-on .55 a/r housing on a stock intake on e85 and judging by my weight of 3150 and a mid 130's trap speed I'm roughly around the 600whp mark, with a turbo I bought barely used off ebay for 400 bucks... Just something to keep in mind.

 

[92_talon_awd]

I'm looking for 400-500whp. So one person has suggested a T3 70A/R housing and another has suggested a 55A/R housing. From what I gather, the difference is one will bolt to the manifold I have now, and for the other I'd have to buy a T3 manifold. I know (I think ha ha) that the larger A/R will cause the turbo to be a little more laggy but will have less backpressure at higher RPM's allowing for greater HP in that range. I like the sound of less lag so the 55A/R seems like a easy choice, couple with the fact that it will bolt right up, but at what sacrifice of top end? How high in my RPM range will I have to be before my power begins to suffer from the excess backpressure. If it's way up there, I wouldn't mind because I'm not going to be revving much past stock redline. Also, how much more lag will the T3 housing introduce? I guess I'm weighing the pros and cons and just want to know if the T3 housing will outperform the 55A/R housing enough with negligible lag increase that it justifies spending the extra big bucks on a nice T3 manifold. Thanks

 

[JusMX141]

The .70 a/r housing is what you'll need to max out the HX35 compressor. I don't think the .55 DSM bolt-on housing can flow enough to let this happen.

Regarding lag:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/343624-long-road-get-11s-pass-3.html#post151988725

Here's the two housings in question mounted to the same HX40. Even though this is a HX40 instead of a HX35, the housing spec is the same....only the turbine wheel is of different spec. The flow difference is clear:

 

[92_talon_awd]

Alright, thanks for explaining that, .70 A/R it is. I PM'd you about maybe building one for me, if you do that?

 

[kp116]

I'm looking for 400-500whp. So one person has suggested a T3 70A/R housing and another has suggested a 55A/R housing. From what I gather, the difference is one will bolt to the manifold I have now, and for the other I'd have to buy a T3 manifold. I know (I think ha ha) that the larger A/R will cause the turbo to be a little more laggy but will have less backpressure at higher RPM's allowing for greater HP in that range. I like the sound of less lag so the 55A/R seems like a easy choice, couple with the fact that it will bolt right up, but at what sacrifice of top end? How high in my RPM range will I have to be before my power begins to suffer from the excess backpressure. If it's way up there, I wouldn't mind because I'm not going to be revving much past stock redline. Also, how much more lag will the T3 housing introduce? I guess I'm weighing the pros and cons and just want to know if the T3 housing will outperform the 55A/R housing enough with negligible lag increase that it justifies spending the extra big bucks on a nice T3 manifold. Thanks

Just my 2 cents... As for my car I am on a 6-blade hx40 with the bolt on .55 a/r housing on a stock intake. Sense I am on a stock intake at 34psi it seems to want to die off after 7500rpm... My car is a 2.0 liter with BC 272's and it reaches full boost around 4300rpm. The hx40 with the bolt-on housing has seen 680whp!! My car is roughly around 600whp on a stock intake!! Sense you are going with a hx35 you might need the bigger housing to max out the compressor as said before. I am just pointing out that the bolt-on housing will take you farther than you think...