1G FMIC gains!

[disciplekyst]

Ok, so my car has a 14b and is set at 16 psi, has k&n and a 2.5 turbo-back exhaust w/o cat.

On the butt dyno, I can feel i'm loosing some power by 3rd gear, The only cause I can see is my SMIC probably heatsoaking.

So here we go: Is there respectable benefits to put a good FMIC kit on my car or am I just wasting my money and the problem is elsewhere?

Thanks for useful info

 

[ArticNemesis]

We don't do benchracing, bench-dyno'ing, and forget the "butt dyno"

We don't know why you feel like you are losing power. Maybe you are running rich (Or not enough), maybe you are getting knock, Maybe you have a boost leak. Too many If's, Not enough Facts. Find a way to log what's going on, and maybe a bit of proof you are losing power.

Follow the upgrade path here http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades . That'll put you in the right direction.

 

[disciplekyst]

Ok thanks ArcticNemesis, but i'm not nearly that stupid, maybe my question was a littlebit confusing so i'll ask i new one:

--In general, with a properly running car, Is there any proven benefit (dont answer yes if it netted you 2hp) to put a FMIC on a 14 b with the mods i listed above?

Thanks for USEFUL answers

 

[Bmxr152]

Its useful, deffiently if your going to be running more than 18psi on the 14b. I noticed some nice gains going from the stock SMIC, to an ebay FMIC on my 1g

 

[jessicas gst]

As a general rule The larger the intercooler, the cooler the charge temps will be.
The cooler the charge temps are, the more power you will make.

 

[LaN-]

putting the FMIC on will not give you a lot of power with your currently setup. The only power increase you'll see if you just throw it on will be because you can flow and cool air better, but since your not pushing the SMIC to its limits the gains will be minimal.

Now The thing is that FMIC will allow you to push that 14b to 20 psi as long as you have the fuel to back it up (injectors....so on).

So to answer you questions yes a FMIC will help you.

Need one? PM me.

 

[disciplekyst]

Now you're talking, thanks Bmx

What was the listed price of your kit? Would you say it was well worth the money?

 

[ArticNemesis]

Well, I thought my post was quite informative.

Had you gone to http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades , you would have seen that there are a bunch of upgrades to do before a front mount. Yes you will see some benefits but not the "gains" I think you are expecting. What if the "power loss" is the blow off valve opening prematurely. You don't have listed in your mods that the stocker has been crushed, or replaced. Fuel pump, AFPR, Complete set of hard pipes are all things that can be done before a FMIC for improvements.

 

[Bmxr152]

I picked up my kit for $240 shipped a while ago, but now you can pick em up on ebay as low as $190 shipped, but you will need a 1g bov flange to weld on and some 3-2.5" reducers for the intercooler. But i mean if your looking to do mods in the future $190 is not bad to spend, but like Lan- said if your going to be running 18+psi boost make sure you got some supporting mods.

 

[disciplekyst]

>Thanks all. Makes nice plans for next summer

 

[oldman420]

Seriously if you don't have the money for a front mount go to vfaq and check out supra smic install. You can pick those babies up at the wrecker for 50$ max. Then check out meth/water injection. People on here have ran 20 psi on that set-up (supra smic/meth inj.) Looking at your profile you should seriously consider turning your boost down to below 15 i guarentee you are getting knock at 16 psi on stock injectors.

 

[Got Rice Galant]

Let me add my $.02. I don't think you should do a front mount if you're looking for horsepower. After looking at your mods I would deffinately put a front mount on there for safety. You're on that ragged edge. A little cooler air temps would deffinately keep you on the safe side.

I have a 14B on my laser along with a front mount. About 2 weeks ago it was in the upper 80's at the track and I was running 22lbs. of boost. My front mount never got hot. (550's 2G maf, rewired 190)

 

[Bmxr152]

at 16psi with a front mount you wont notice to much gain. But say at 20psi with supporting mods and a FMIC you notice a nice ammount of power change from the stock SMIC.

 

[disciplekyst]

Oldman420: Yes I do get knock with my mbc set at 16 psi, but that's because I get a progressive boost creep to 19 psi at 6k, thats going to be fixed next spring, until then i keep it below 4500 in higher gears.

Got Rice Galant: I agree with you on the " more for safety than power", so i might just upgrade (along with that nasty creep) and do the the supporting mods for 20 psi later

Thanks for your input guys

 

[spyderturbo007]

People on here have ran 20 psi on that set-up (supra smic/meth inj.)

I'm actually at 22psi on the stock SMIC + MeOH running an AFR of 10.3:1 according to my UEGO. I'm in the process of leaning things out right now since I just got DSMLink and haven't finished the tune. It's estimating me around 290whp running stock timing and a 10.3:1 AFR.

I just want to see how far I can push the SMIC.

 

[keltalon]

I'm actually at 22psi on the stock SMIC + MeOH running an AFR of 10.3:1 according to my UEGO. I'm in the process of leaning things out right now since I just got DSMLink and haven't finished the tune. It's estimating me around 290whp running stock timing and a 10.3:1 AFR.

I just want to see how far I can push the SMIC.

If you don't mind can you post a log? Thanks.

 

[dsmsucks]

Ok, so my car has a 14b and is set at 16 psi, has k&n and a 2.5 turbo-back exhaust w/o cat.

On the butt dyno, I can feel i'm loosing some power by 3rd gear, The only cause I can see is my SMIC probably heatsoaking.

So here we go: Is there respectable benefits to put a good FMIC kit on my car or am I just wasting my money and the problem is elsewhere?

Thanks for useful info

well with my car @16psi I noticed power would decrease after a few pulls. A front mount wouldnt be a bad idea! Now I can do pull after pull and dont worry bout heat soak

 

[spyderturbo007]

If you don't mind can you post a log? Thanks.

This is the best I can do for you right now. The rest of the logs are on my laptop at home.

The log was captured berfore any fuel or timing adjustments. Average AFR was pegging the WBO2 rich at 10:1. Max HP was estimated at about 260whp.

 

[viprez586]

I Noticed a difference with my FMIC, geez when its cold out too that thing is a friggen ice cube.
I picked up my FMIC on ebay for $170 shipped and had some piping laying around. Got some couplers so my setup was a grand total of $220 and well worth it. I just wish I would've gotten a bigger one.
Nothing like a big FMIC.

 

[oldman420]

Don't get me wrong the bigger fmic the better i do agree. It really all depends on where he wants to go with his ride, personally for the goals he is going for. Cheapest and best way to make your 14b to give you good boost without pressure drop through the IC core is supra smic w/ meth injection. + I love the sleeper look of not having a huge FMIC poking out the front.

 

[b00st_catalyst]

An inter-cooler doesn't make power, it helps prevent detonation. You want to keep your IAT's as low and ambient as possible, an inter-cooler helps with this.

 

[b00st_catalyst]

Don't get me wrong the bigger fmic the better i do agree.

That is by no means true. Its all about the application

 

[disciplekyst]

b00stcatalyst, I agree with you that an intercooler doesn't MAKE power, but it certainly unleashes the power potential that your turbo system has; So at each given exterior temperature, it runs colder and gives you say 10 hp compared with a smic at full boost

I know i'm a little too oriented on physics, but then it rarely lies in practice, so i'm about 100% sure i could get noticeable gains with a FMIC (given that i don't go with 3 inch tubing), but just trying to see with you guys if it's worth it

Keep arguments flowing , thanks

 

[Black_Bullet]

I disagree with some of you guys... Even with his current set up he should see a noticable gain putting the front mount. His lbs/min of air would probably increase at least 2-3lbs just with the bigger intercooler and hardpipes and tb elbow, alone at the same psi not to mention he'd be able to increase his psi to about 18 even with stock injectors on his 14b let alone maybe throw some more timing in and lean it out some due to the car in total running better. The fmic will keep the car running more consistent especially in those 90deg temp days were it wont be as likely to heatsoak, wont be need for as many in between pull cool downs.
Plus if he is still using the stock 1g elbow and stock small cracked up rubber hoses the gains will really show if he got a fmic kit with good piping that replaces the stock tb elbow and jpipe with a bigger flowing unit. Spool up times arent that different between fmic and sidemount, transient boost response will be slower, but in racing situation who cares your at high rpm the whole time full spooled anyways. Besides there are cheap short route kits now that provide quicker boost response like http://www.punishment-racing.com/1gstreetcoreintercoolerkit.html ( LaN-'s kit...)

I think do it once do it right and get the fmic.

Just my .02cents, constructive criticsm welcomed.

 

[disciplekyst]

Black bullet, that's exactly what I thought, More power + getting rid of that knock caused pulled timing would be well worth the money, thanks for your input!