First log of GT30r

[Ronin17]

Alright, so I got the boost leaks in check and found out that my front o2 sensor is dead. I ordered a new o2 sensor and should get it friday hopefully.

I went out today and did a quick log of the GT30r at 20psi

short list of mods:
Apexi N1 catback and dp
K&N
2-216 FMIC
FIC 650cc's
Walbro 255 HP rewired
Aeromotive AFPR set to 43psi (hose off)
S-AFC
find all my mods on my webpage.

my Hi settings were 1k to 4k -28%, 4.5k to 7k -27%

Click here to see the log.

I am going to start leaning it out and see what the timing does, I really want to get the spool to around 4000 rpms or quicker. I definitely have a long way to go to realize the full potential of this turbo.

Any suggestions or comments?

Thanks guys!

 

[Violater101]

Airflow seems kinda low for 20psi..perhaps it your logger reads differently than say DSMLink?? Like you said, start leaning it out and watch the timing. For comparison, I'm flowing around 39-40 lbs/min @19.8 psi

 

[Ronin17]

Airflow seems kinda low for 20psi..perhaps it your logger reads differently than say DSMLink?? Like you said, start leaning it out and watch the timing. For comparison, I'm flowing around 39-40 lbs/min @19.8 psi

This is the same thing I was thinking, shouldn't my airflow be a lot higher? One thing I thought of is that the S-AFC could be the reason for the low airflow #, but I don't know for sure.

Going to try and lean it out and see if this helps anything.

 

[kpt4321]

Leaning the car out on the SAFC will decrease the airflow. You're really seeing more like 25-28 lb/min.

 

[Ronin17]

Leaning the car out on the SAFC will decrease the airflow. You're really seeing more like 25-28 lb/min.

Thought so, but even 28lb/min sounds really bad for this turbo @ 20psi

I went ahead and leaned the car out to 1k to 4k -30% and 4.5k to 7k -29% and didn't get to make a log but just from the seat of the pants it feels like I am going in the right direction. Spool up also might have been better, but this could be my imagination.

Thanks

 

[Violater101]

Thought so, but even 28lb/min sounds really bad for this turbo @ 20psi

I went ahead and leaned the car out to 1k to 4k -30% and 4.5k to 7k -29% and didn't get to make a log but just from the seat of the pants it feels like I am going in the right direction. Spool up also might have been better, but this could be my imagination.

Thanks

Spoolup will increase if your getting better timing.

 

[kpt4321]

Spoolup will increase if your getting better timing.

1. What does an "increase" in "spoolup" mean? In increase in spool time? An increase in spool speed?

2. What is "better" timing? 10 degrees? 20 degrees? Less than stock? More than stock? Etc, etc.

 

[Ronin17]

kpt4321: I'm a little worried about having to take so much fuel out with only 650cc @ 43psi on this SBR-GT30r running at 20psi. I have freed up some restrictions (mostly a high flow fuel filter kit from AutoAlchemy) but I am still wondering why I am having to lean it out so much. Having the turbo flow so little is also kind of worrying me. I don't have any huge boost leaks or anything, so I am not sure what's going on.

I am going to make sure the wastegate is not cracking open or anything.

Thanks.

 

[Violater101]

1. What does an "increase" in "spoolup" mean? In increase in spool time? An increase in spool speed?

2. What is "better" timing? 10 degrees? 20 degrees? Less than stock? More than stock? Etc, etc.

To answer question 1, i've found that by adding timing from 2k to 4k, the spool speed is increased...ie this helps to spool the turbo up faster.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Seems to me that in that log, you didnt hit 100% TPS until 3000 rpm. Not the best way to check for boost threshold You want to be at full throttle by ~2500 rpm in third to check out a turbo of that size. Additionally, the correction factor for 650s is -30%, if they flow 650 at 43 psi. So at your settings listed in the first post, you are richer than stock. Stock is about 9.5-10:1 AFR. Actually at such low airflow, that might be leaner. I would have to know what the airflow/rev was to make an estimate. For what its worth, anything between 10:1 and 12:1 is the same O2 voltage 28 lbs/min seems way off. Even on a OBDII logger I was seeing that airflow on a 14b with minimal mods and less boost. With stock cams and intake, I would expect about 35-37 lbs/min at 20 psi, 40 with cams. Any ideas what might be the limiting factor here? With the lower airflow, lowered even further by the AFC, timing will be higher. So while 21 looks good, there may still be some knock retard there. Leaning out to a more proper AFR will only increase that problem. More timing will give more knock, and still show you a "normal" timing figure in the logs. Excessive timing on pump will break things. One of the newer chips that can do injector compensation is very attractive for this reason, but if you have an EPROM ECU, you could do DSMlink. Perhaps taking some base timing out, but that will adversely affect off boost power, but will help spool up. To be honest, I cant recall how the hell I could sleep at night before DSMlink

 

[Liquid Illusion]

What wheel is in this GT30R? Your safc correction percentages are completely irrelevant information. Base fuel pressure cams intake..ect ect will all effect this value. From the slowboy web page the gt30r looks like a bad PTE/fp3052 knock off.

Using a PTE housing unless your turbo uses a t350 turbine wheel and a 56 trim compressor. You should be spooling way south of 4000 rpms. Over the weekend we installed a FP3052 on a friends 2nd gen gsx using an Alien header.

The first couple pulls resulted in spool time south of 3600, this is in a AEM car using a 2nd gen magnus intake and hks 272 cams. I believe the TH used by Forced Performance is a bit larger then the PTE TH's used by slowboy, and in theory should spool at a taller rpm. All things being equal of course, Then again all turbos are not created equal are they.

 

[Slowboy]

What wheel is in this GT30R? Your safc correction percentages are completely irrelevant information. Base fuel pressure cams intake..ect ect will all effect this value. From the slowboy web page the gt30r looks like a bad PTE/fp3052 knock off.

If you did a little research before being an ass pony, you would see the GT30R is an off the shelf Garrett turbocharger. It comes with the shrouded cover seen on my website right from Garrett.

Using a PTE housing unless your turbo uses a t350 turbine wheel and a 56 trim compressor.

I have NEVER USED A PTE HOUSING ON A GT30 CHRA, we casted our own over 16 months ago JUST for the GT30 CHRA's.

PTE TH's used by slowboy

If you have no idea what you are talking about, please do not say ANYTHING!

Then again all turbos are not created equal are they

Neither are human beings.

Mike Huml

 

[hostile]

A lot of you are forgetting his AFC actually affects what is being logged for airflow.

So his airflow might be 20%-30% higher if it was logged with the afc.

Another thing most people don't realize is, a 2.0 can only flow so much air at 20psi. Without increasing the volumetric effecincy it will not flow any more.

 

[Ronin17]

Hey Mike,

You don't happen to know the average spool time for the GT30r? Mine is pretty laggy right now, but I did have to rotate the compressor housing and I might not have adjusted the wastegate arm correctly. I'll try and take a look at it tomorrow.

Thanks!

 

[Liquid Illusion]

If you did a little research before being an ass pony, you would see the GT30R is an off the shelf Garrett turbocharger

I did plenty of research on your crap that's why I have a Forced performance turbo

I have NEVER USED A PTE HOUSING ON A GT30 CHRA, we casted our own over 16 months ago JUST for the GT30 CHRA's.

You mean AGP didnt have anymore turbos for you to clone? and you had to actually develope your own dsm turbocharger? amazing :laugh:

If you have no idea what you are talking about, please do not say ANYTHING!

If you have no idea how to build a race motor or port a cylinder head PLEASE STOP SELLING PEOPLE CRAP ENGINES!!

Neither are human beings.

or turbo/machine shops

 

[Slowboy]

You mean AGP didnt have anymore turbos for you to clone? and you had to actually develope your own dsm turbocharger? amazing

Would you like to see an invoice from early 2002 with MY TURBOS? HMM... AGP, did they have a website in FEB 2002 selling DSM TURBOS? Get your shit together before your cake hole opens.

PS, any idea how long a cast turbine housing takes to produce? How about 8-12 months... so if I came out with mine the same time PTE came out with there's, just how did I copy it?

I did plenty of research on your crap that's why I have a Forced performance turbo

You bring a tear to my eye

If you have no idea how to build a race motor or port a cylinder head PLEASE STOP SELLING PEOPLE CRAP ENGINES!!

HAHAHA... I am on shortblock # 188 this year, wanna shut your pie hole? Although, I am only on head # 156, so we are slacking a bit there. I have 12 full time employees including two EX former hi-performance engine instructers from Wyoming tech... you must be right, we have NO idea what we are doing, its never the guys fault who assembles the rest of the motor

or turbo/machine shops

Another tear, sniff sniff....

Unless you are gonna man-up and show up at my shop, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE and quit talking about things you have NO idea about.

Mike Huml

 

[Slowboy]

You don't happen to know the average spool time for the GT30r? Mine is pretty laggy right now, but I did have to rotate the compressor housing and I might not have adjusted the wastegate arm correctly.

Most likely you need to adjust the actuator arm, however feel free to call me tomorrow!

Mike Huml

 

[Liquid Illusion]

Hey Mike,

You don't happen to know the average spool time for the GT30r? Mine is pretty laggy right now, but I did have to rotate the compressor housing and I might not have adjusted the wastegate arm correctly. I'll try and take a look at it tomorrow.

Thanks!

You don't happen to know the average spool time for the GT30r? Mine is pretty laggy right now,

You should be proud you have a tiny turbo with a tiny turbine housing that spools slower then my FP3065 and anthonys fp3052

I did have to rotate the compressor housing and I might not have adjusted the wastegate arm correctly.

Didn't you also have to beat your water pipe so much to install this turbo that it actually broke? A properly built *custom* turbine housing should be designed to bolt directly to your header/manifold and clear the big water pipe without *any* modification, especially on a 2nd gen.

Then again, when it comes to turbocharger design as mike huml so accurately pointed out. All humans or turbos for that matter are not created equal.

 

[1990greenGSX]

You should be proud you have a tiny turbo with a tiny turbine housing that spools slower then my FP3065 and anthonys fp3052



How about this.... Someone is here tryin to learn how to work with a product and get their car running write. Others are trying to help. You have not suggested any worth while information at all.. In this case, why dont you just either post helpful information, or shut up and just read the posts and maybe you will learn something. Otherwise you just sound like a backyard mechanic who can bolt on simple parts, but has no real knowledge of how to tune a car to me.. Guess thats why you are a wise ass then.. Its usually the people that know little that run their mouths the most!! Now, let the guy get back to getting his car running properly!

Mark

 

[Liquid Illusion]

Would you like to see an invoice from early 2002 with MY TURBOS? HMM... AGP, did they have a website in FEB 2002 selling DSM TURBOS? Get your shit together before your cake hole opens.

PS, any idea how long a cast turbine housing takes to produce? How about 8-12 months... so if I came out with mine the same time PTE came out with there's, just how did I copy it?



You bring a tear to my eye



HAHAHA... I am on shortblock # 188 this year, wanna shut your pie hole? Although, I am only on head # 156, so we are slacking a bit there. I have 12 full time employees including two EX former hi-performance engine instructers from Wyoming tech... you must be right, we have NO idea what we are doing, its never the guys fault who assembles the rest of the motor



Another tear, sniff sniff....

Unless you are gonna man-up and show up at my shop, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE and quit talking about things you have NO idea about.

Mike Huml

Would you like to see an invoice from early 2002 with MY TURBOS?

not really

AGP, did they have a website in FEB 2002 selling DSM TURBOS?

I dont know ask them whats that got to do with you copying *everything* they do.

PS, any idea how long a cast turbine housing takes to produce

For you evidently not long enough considering you have to destroy your water pipe to install it, nice RD work toolbag Ill ask Robert Young considering his turbo actually works and can be installed without beating your water pipe to death with a sledgehammer.

You bring a tear to my eye

so does your breath.

I am on shortblock # 188 this year, wanna shut your pie hole? Although, I am only on head # 156, so we are slacking a bit there. I have 12 full time employees including two EX former hi-performance engine instructers from Wyoming tech...

Conrgats dsmtuners has done a fine job of concealing how horrible your work actually is. I sure hope the NOVA guys who have had the unfortunate reality of owning and having your shop work on their cars is not the norm.

Judging by how many *i got ####ed* by slowboy racing threads appear on this site alone. Im afraid its more common place then some silly head job number you throw out in the forums. I guess you're good at head jobs huh

Unless you are gonna man-up and show up at my shop,

The last thing your family wants, is for me to show up at your shop. Ill excuse you considering you have your Internet invincibility hat on today.

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE

make me

quit talking about things you have NO idea about.

Says who you? Who are you other then a tool that sells crap dsm parts to clueless knoobs looking to save 5 bucks. On crap dsm parts that will take them 3-4 months to get when ordered from you.

 

[1990greenGSX]

The last thing your family wants, is for me to show up at your shop. Ill excuse you considering you have your Internet invincibility hat on today.



OK... I take it you missed the memo??? Get a life and quit fighting on the net..If you have something to say to Mike... call him and talk to him on the phone and i guess you will see who has THEIR INTERNET HAT ON huh?

what a low life

Mark

 

[Liquid Illusion]

You should be proud you have a tiny turbo with a tiny turbine housing that spools slower then my FP3065 and anthonys fp3052



How about this.... Someone is here tryin to learn how to work with a product and get their car running write. Others are trying to help. You have not suggested any worth while information at all.. In this case, why dont you just either post helpful information, or shut up and just read the posts and maybe you will learn something. Otherwise you just sound like a backyard mechanic who can bolt on simple parts, but has no real knowledge of how to tune a car to me.. Guess thats why you are a wise ass then.. Its usually the people that know little that run their mouths the most!! Now, let the guy get back to getting his car running properly!

Mark

You have not suggested any worth while information at all..

Ok here is my suggestion un-bolt that POS turbo shit on it, put it in a box and mail it back to mike huml

why dont you just either post helpful information,

un-bolt that POS turbo shit on it, put it in a box and mail it back to mike huml

or shut up and just read the posts and maybe you will learn something. Otherwise you just sound like a backyard mechanic who can bolt on simple parts, but has no real knowledge of how to tune a car to me..

You work at slowboy correct?

Its usually the people that know little that run their mouths the most!! !

Good point stop posting then.

 

[Slowboy]

Says who you? Who are you other then a tool that sells crap dsm parts to clueless knoobs looking to save 5 bucks. On crap dsm parts that will take them 3-4 months to get when ordered from you.

You must be right... a lonely tool bag that employees 12 full time people, pays more for my electric bill in a month than you make at Sams club, goes to DSMCA GT7 and gives away 2k worth of parts in 10 minutes to help the club better there financial standing, financially supports the local and national forums you run your mouth on, and still manages time for my wonderful wife and two boys at home.

Your such a blessing to the DSM community, I suggest trying to help someone for a change... your last few post on the tuners, I can really tell how much you try

Question is, who are you?

Sissy, pick up the phone, or better yet get some mapquest directions...

Mike Huml

 

[Liquid Illusion]

You must be right... a lonely tool bag that employees 12 full time people, pays more for my electric bill in a month than you make at Sams club, goes to DSMCA GT7 and gives away 2k worth of parts in 10 minutes

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[Ronin17]

Thank you so much Liquid Illusion for ruining my thread, I really appreciate it. You know there's a thing called PM that you can use right?

I obviously have a problem since this turbo is spooling so slow, do I blame SBR? HELL NO, I am confident that it is something I haven't checked or need to adjust. For some reason nothing I do to my car goes exactly how I planned it, but that's part of owning a DSM.

How about you just STFU and go post on another thread? I really don't care about your cheap attacks to SBR and you are not contributing to my thread in any way. Now if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear em, I'm no expert when it comes to these cars and since you make yourself sound like you have a vast amount of knowledge how about sharing it with us?



I will go and try to adjust the wastegate and make sure I don't have it set up wrong.

Thanks guys