Evo 8-10 Brembo Calipers DSM Conversion (for 1g too)

[VETTE_50_TH]

I think my friend calculate like 12000 in pounds of difference which is HUGE!

 

[95burgundyesi]

I know that it takes a second to stop after the quarter mile with the 2g calipers. I always pass the exit lane and then have to spin back around. I really am pushing to get the car on a road course this year for some giggles.

 

[907dsm]

Can you install it on the car now?? completed with wheels on it. Thanks

 

[tkrPerformance]

yes the rotors is moved outboard, The evo rotors offset does move the rotors 15mm further away from the knuckles. You also have to use 17" rims min with the offset Similar to the stock evo wheels other wise have to use spacer to clear calipers from the backside of the rims. If you use stock evo rims, it will have no clearance problem, i have already seen evo 8\9 wheels on 1g on this forums before. I'm not assuming things, I worked on 1g and had compare them both, they have more clearance then 2g if every single aspect, Especially in the ball joint area. Just don't expect using stock dsm wheels to fit over these calipers then you be ok. Don't know if this picture prove any thing because it an evo 3 knuckles it might be the same as 1g knuckles or look very similar. This picture is borrow from tkrPerformance to show the evo 8 12.6" rotors on the knuckles.

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the evo III knuckles are the same as a 1g for all the off sets for the ball joint. the only thing different is the length of the arm for the tir rod end. It is just shorter than the 1g arms.
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[jestoy7]

Here are some pics of the brakes fully installed on my 2g. I wish I knew of this 2nd version of the bracket. I used the 1st one and felt a little sketchy cutting down my knuckles as much as it needed. The upgrade is definately worth it, though.

Left side is 2g AWD stock and right side is the Evo. The rear Evo rotors are larger than stock 2g AWD fronts.

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Difference in front calipers:

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Rear Calipers go on with longer bolts. I upgraded to SS lines and the DSM ones are perfect.

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Front wheel:

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End result:

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[VETTE_50_TH]

SO SIK! Cant wait to put mine on.

 

[Hubbard 0]

Looks amazing. Exactly how the Eclipse should have came from the factory.

 

[bedlam]

Every time I get ready to buy these brackets, a new one comes out. Go figure. I do like the idea of the new brackets better than the other ones. No real work needed other than on the calipers. What is the offset of the stock evo wheels?

 

[Hubbard 0]

Every time I get ready to buy these brackets, a new one comes out. Go figure. I do like the idea of the new brackets better than the other ones. No real work needed other than on the calipers. What is the offset of the stock evo wheels?

I'm not certain, but I believe it's +35.

 

[proteusx301]

I'm not certain, but I believe it's +35.

My Evo 8 6 spokes are +38

 

[m_0ney_pit]

so if I use the evo 10 caliper with the longer offset and larger rotor do I still have to mill out that area like the evo8/9 caliper when using your bracket? Lets ignore the fact that the front evo10 clamping force is less than the evo8/9.

 

[kmv]

The evo 10 uses the same mounting point, offset and everything else. The only difference is it has longer caliper arm to compensate for the bigger rotor. No mix and matching rotors possible, either Evo 10 combo or evo 8\9 combo. About the milling part on the evo 10 calipers; it's very minimal about 1\3 the size of the section of the evo 8 in the picture is needed to be remove. evo x front pistons are 38\44mm on 13.8" vs 40\46 on 12.6" of evo 8 but the rear is 38mm on 13" vs 38mm on 11.8".

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Dammit. I thought the Evos were 13 in hats.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

ok great, any chance you could slightly change the geometry so no milling is nessisary for the evo X caliper/rotor?

The evo 10 uses the same mounting point, offset and everything else. The only difference is it has longer caliper arm to compensate for the bigger rotor. No mix and matching rotors possible, either Evo 10 combo or evo 8\9 combo. About the milling part on the evo 10 calipers; it's very minimal about 1\3 the size of the section of the evo 8 in the picture is needed to be remove. evo x front pistons are 38\44mm on 13.8" vs 40\46 on 12.6" of evo 8 but the rear is 38mm on 13" vs 38mm on 11.8".

 

[bedlam]

ok great, any chance you could slightly change the geometry so no milling is nessisary for the evo X caliper/rotor?

Compared to what was needed to be done, this current version of mounting is 100 times better.

 

[kmv]

Every time I get ready to buy these brackets, a new one comes out. Go figure.

The first design was a quick solution for myself personally to mount brembo on my 2g and i didn't care if was difficult\costly. Then I notice this community was very interested in brembo swap and 1g was left out. So I came up with 1g\2g design which is a lot easier for every one to do the swap and cheaper too as you can skip the machining cost. This bracket might look very simple but take quite a bit r&d to get to this state. This is a cad generated bracket not like the usual mock up on a piece of wood then transfer over to metal. If it wasn't for the first design there is no way i could generate this bracket or even thought of this idea.

Vette, the evo 8 rotor size is very close to 13" its only .2" in height difference. I could have made to fit with 13" but why when evo rotors are made perfect for dsm.

ok great, any chance you could slightly change the geometry so no milling is nessisary for the evo X caliper/rotor?

No its not possible, where the calipers is clock currently is the most optimal for the least overlapping of the stock ear. On the evo 10 the overlapping is about the size of half a quarter coin. If you're going with evo x combo u might as well go with ctsv with evo x rotors as it's the best value for new calipers. The porting with a die grinder is not that hard because its aluminum and cuts like butter.

The reason why the evo 8/9 is popular choice because its a well rounded calipers combo that fit under 17" rims. You won't find a better set up for dsm as these calipers are already over kill. Even the the evo guys don't complain about there brakes and there car is heavier than our dsm.
Plus you get the bonus aggressive looks, as you can see those brembo makes a statement on those cars in the pictures. The only area that can be improved is upgrading 2 piece rotors. The best part is there tons of performance pads/rotors available for the evo.

This is how the bracket should be mounted on the 1g the knuckles, this pictures is a 03 lancer non turbo which share the same dsm geometry. The difference from this knuckles and 1g is that the part circled is thinner on 1g and the lower ball joint is a bit different too.

 

[DSMunknown]

Here's another thread with pix I took.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/261061-evo8-brakes-2g-gsx.html

 

[92EagleAWD]

Quote to 32960?

 

[kmv]

so if I use the evo 10 caliper with the longer offset and larger rotor do I still have to mill out that area like the evo8/9 caliper when using your bracket? Lets ignore the fact that the front evo10 clamping force is less than the evo8/9.

I had the chance to compare the evo X and 8 calipers side by side today. Guess what I found out,the piston on both are identical is size which makes the X calipers the king in clamping force. Here are pictures of what the clipping should be on the X calipers.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

haha your the one that told me it was 38/44 on the x calipers did you use a micrometer or just compare visually?

 

[kmv]

Sorry that time was incorrectly measured; today I measured both with a micrometer. They both came in at 41.5mm and 35.5mm from the top but I'm assuming there bottom is bigger thats how the evo 8 get the 46/40mm size.

 

[907dsm]

Did you use a mill on the X calipers?? Wow what a huge difference.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

I highly suggest POLISHING the milled out surface of the caliper or better having it repowdercoated to prevent corrosion and potential cracking issues.

I'm planning on milling out my evo8 calipers then having them repowdercoated for sure.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Chris your a cawksucker. They will not crack. If anything bend. And even thats a stretch. Were talking about a good what 3/8 of an inch of aluminum and only a a 1/2 inch square being removed. Oh please.... call me if you want to fight about this. Ill show you!!

 

[kmv]

Vette your right that is a stretch. If you mill it correctly could have up to 0.6" of minimum thickness left on both the x and 8 calipers. That is thicker than most radial mount caliper's aluminum bracket. Here I got 0.529" left and that's with extra clearance. Even if I punch that section through I still have tons of solid aluminum left to support the calipers let alone cracking. You don't have to tap the knuckles and could use a nut If it was punch through thought. If you want to keep the resale value of your calipers then I recommend get it mill. If I repaint these calipers up and resell it, the person buying won't even thought that it was hacked.

I just picked up these 08 sti bss so I can fit evo x calipers on finaly. They don't look that great but light forged BBS wheel w good tires for $800 i couldn't pass that deal up. With these light rims and aluminum hat rotors I sould have little to no weight gain after the big brake upgrade. Who says big brake upgrade is bad on proformance, it isn't when you have money to make it up some where else.
If any one like to try these sti BSS they are 18x8.5 with 245/40/18 tires weigh 18lb 55 et custom spacer will be needed to adapt them on DSM with brembo. Anybody know what's the stock 16" or 17" weigh?