evo 3 16g vs new fp 18g

[DSMunknown]

Something about clipping turbos just makes me sick. I would never.

 

[motoman358]

ups sent trackign info today on the turbo so i should have it by the end of the week. ill let you guys know then if it is wet or dry, but it will be a while before my car is actually running so i probably wont have any performance impressions for approx a month or 2.

 

[DoyoFCT]

Yes the new DSM 18g turbo is both water and oil cooled. If you have any other questions, please let us know.

Thank you,
Amber

Sales Team
Forced Performance
972-984-1800
www.forcedperformance.net

Just if anyone else wanted to know

 

[thekellbeast]

Something about clipping turbos just makes me sick. I would never.

Another alternative would be getting the super-huge Bullseye tdo5 turbine housing for more flow. I tried that a while ago, but I got ripped off and gave up.

 

[motoman358]

just recieved it today and man, it almost looks smaller than my 16g from external dimensions which i think is great. should be a great sleeper turbo.

 

[dsm-onster]

just recieved it today and man, it almost looks smaller than my 16g from external dimensions which i think is great. should be a great sleeper turbo.

I'm sure FP is machining out used 14b compressor housings. I bet the numbers on the housing match 14b numbers. That's what I got w/ my 18g. That's so "sleeper" it's not fair. . .

 

[DSMunknown]

That's so "sleeper" it's not fair. . .

Exactly.

 

[eclipseGSTud]

just recieved it today and man, it almost looks smaller than my 16g from external dimensions which i think is great. should be a great sleeper turbo.

Can you post up photos? Any updates?

 

[jongreene]

Can you post up photos? Any updates?

I agree, Im thinking about getting this turbo....would like to know how its performing.

 

[ryboj]

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Originally Posted by eclipseGSTud
Can you post up photos? Any updates?

I agree, Im thinking about getting this turbo....would like to know how its performing.

Ditto on that!

Wouldn't mind knowing how the internal gate works either....

 

[bling5tatus]

This is FP we're talking about, I'm sure the internal gate is fantastic.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Pics PLEASE. This turbo sounds like a nice replacement for my 16g when it finally craps out.

 

[DoyoFCT]

any pics of it? yet? or dyno sheets etc? I've seen one dyno sheet that's listed on FP's site but it doesnt mention any details of how the car is setup.

 

[2gGSX]

http://www.amsperformance.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=41_89&products_id=1668

This may shed some light. They claim the only difference between the two runs was the turbo and the MAF.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

http://www.amsperformance.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=41_89&products_id=1668

This may shed some light. They claim the only difference between the two runs was the turbo and the MAF.

That was also a small 16 vs the 18g

 

[chavez408]

I dont know, the evo3 has proven so much I would have to see more runs and dyno sheets about this 18g for me to consider on purchasing it

 

[dsm-onster]

I dont know, the evo3 has proven so much I would have to see more runs and dyno sheets about this 18g for me to consider on purchasing it

Yea, . . . You have seen no evo3 16g do what this turbo can flow!

But it's not like the 18g compressor hasn't been proven to significantly outflow the evo3 16g compressor. Have you researched this compressor? Look up RayPeters. He has run 452 whp on an 18g w/ a smaller turbine than this one. This isn't new stuff. This is a new *combination*. The 18g is usually coupled w/ a smaller turbine wheel that has been hacked (clipped). This newish turbine wheel is the only thing "unproven".

Nevertheless, it is still a td06H turbine. I doubt MHI would have spent the money in research to create such a tdo6h wheel only for it to flow less than the td05h wheel found on the evo3 16g. As well, should you doubt Forced Performance?

 

[dsm-onster]

That was also a small 16 vs the 18g

Yea, but at that HP level, there's zero chance bolting on an evo3 16g in place of a small16g would yield a 30 hp differece noted w/ the same changes done. The small 16g is not even close to being maxed out at 288hp. The small 16g however DOES have the exact same hotside (turbine and housing) as the evo3 16g. This is proof that the turbine does indeed flow more for *VERY* little sacrifice in spool.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Did anyone every answer/ or mention anything about using the TDO6SL2's 14psi wastegate/ w.g. actuator on a regular evo3 16g in hope to holding boost longer to redline than what the 16g has been known to hold?

And id like to see some more dyno sheets and user impressions of this turbo in comparison to an evo3... I believe for most of us whom are still in evo3 and smaller range; the max pump gas amount of power this thing can gain over a evo3 is what will make this turbo appealing and sell more vs the max power output. Reason i say this is considering ppl whod buy a turbo in this cfm range are probably only looking for a fun pump gas street set up vs a race gas set up... Most ppl who are playing with race gas skip straight to the 750 cfm + sized turbos...

 

[JayRolla]

I would also, I dont think its worth the upgrade from a 16g to this turbo. Its a little more than a 16g so it may be worth it over the evo if its your first upgrade. The evo 16g can hit 400whp easy on race or e85 and has been proven to break 450whp.

 

[dsm-onster]

Did anyone every answer/ or mention anything about using the TDO6SL2's 14psi wastegate/ w.g. actuator on a regular evo3 16g in hope to holding boost longer to redline than what the 16g has been known to hold?

And id like to see some more dyno sheets and user impressions of this turbo in comparison to an evo3... I believe for most of us whom are still in evo3 and smaller range; the max pump gas amount of power this thing can gain over a evo3 is what will make this turbo appealing and sell more vs the max power output. Reason i say this is considering ppl whod buy a turbo in this cfm range are probably only looking for a fun pump gas street set up vs a race gas set up... Most ppl who are playing with race gas skip straight to the 750 cfm + sized turbos...

Yea this is what appeals to me. Since the turbine flows more. Then the overall VE goes up. So, there is more power per psi of boost. This is what's good for pump gas setups. Low boost, but still eeking out the higher hp numbers. You have to really yank on the boost of a evo3 16g to get it to flow enough for 375whp. . . at boostlevels that yield pump gas impractical w/out some sort of 'injection'. That's the point of having the more efficient 18G compressor (as shown on the first page w/ the compressor map), and by the higher flowing turbine as shown on the second page w/ the link to the dyno run.

Concerning streetability: Look at the rpm difference on the dynorun vs. a *SMALL* 16G. There's about 500 rpms difference on the hp curve. Then the 18g just keeps pulling MUCH higher for MUCH longer. . .

What else do you all want? The evo3 16g was "new" at one point too. . .

 

[dsm-onster]

I would also, I dont think its worth the upgrade from a 16g to this turbo. Its a little more than a 16g so it may be worth it over the evo if its your first upgrade.

You have no evo3 16g compressor map to which to compare it. There IS, however, dynoproof that the 18g compressor flows at least 55hp more than an evo3 16g. 55hp is a half second in the quarter mile and at least 5 carlinks. . .On this side of the Mississippi, that's a spanking!

The evo 16g can hit 400whp easy on race or e85 and has been proven to break 450whp.

NOT AT ALL!!!!!! The evo is wore out (at choke) at 400whp. The 18g compressor has broken the 450whp mark. There is no evo3 compressor that has done that.

 

[DSMunknown]

NOT AT ALL!!!!!! The evo is wore out (at choke) at 400whp. The 18g compressor has broken the 450whp mark. There is no evo3 compressor that has done that.

Although there are no graphs or charts (thus far) proving such numbers, the claim CB is refering to can be seen here. Still, I would love to see some hard evidence to support such a statement.

BTW, there's nothing "easy" about making the Evo III 16G spit out 400+ whp.

 

[Siral3x]

The EVO III is proven for years and years. The sticker price for the 18G looks great, but I would mug my neighbor and upgrade to a FP3052 BB Series if I would to upgrade.
Now if you're upgrading for a 14b or t25 go ahead with the 'new' 18G.
PS: On the FP site did you guys notice the "01470" stamp on on the 'new' 18G compressor housing? ahh..the old new EVO III 16 compressor

 

[dsm-onster]

The EVO III is proven for years and years. The sticker price for the 18G looks great, but I would mug my neighbor and upgrade to a FP3052 BB Series if I would to upgrade.
Now if you're upgrading for a 14b or t25 go ahead with the 'new' 18G.
PS: On the FP site did you guys notice the "01470" stamp on on the 'new' 18G compressor housing? ahh..the old new EVO III 16 compressor

Do you mean FP machines evo3 compressor housings to accept the 18g wheel?


Yea, I agree. This is a turbo upgrade for guys running stock turbos and would otherwise upgrade to an evo3 16g. This one flows a bit more and has similar spool characteristics. And is as bolton as the evo3 16g. I'm even interested in this as I'm running a small 16g again. This would be a huge upgrade for me, w/ good spool.

But, do I want a bolt-on, very quick street machine. Or do I want to swap in an HX35 for the same total cost, more work, but much more power? Hmmm. . . .

I don't believe SBR.