eagle rods install outta the box?

[rtincher22085]

This is a dumb question but I got mixed reviews. can I install eagle rod straight outta the box? has there ever been a defective set like example weight was off more than 2 grams? or the piston pin too tight for oil flow? i hear eagle rods are one of the best just taking percautions.

 

[cookmeup272]

i would get the weight checked and actually have the entire rotating assembly balanced.

 

[SpawnedX]

Whenever you assemble a rotating assembly you should have it balanced.

 

[rtincher22085]

Not to fight you guys here but they advertise + or minus a gram weighted together and I have done some reading and supposedly out engines are pretty balance if my pistons are weight matched and my rods are.......shouln't it not matter? Just flushing out the miss information. my machine shop wants to charge me 200 to balance my rods, crank, and pistons. I already have 470 in the block for a sleeve (melt down cylinder 1), bored to piston specs, resurfaced, hot tanked, and crank polished. an extra 200 for rods and pistons to be balanced when they are reputable companies that advertise this as being done already. I'll get a gram scale and file them done myself and save. hell i've seen the procedure it ain't to hard. or just to compare the weight's of pistons, pins, and rods. To see a happy medium.

 

[cookmeup272]

If everyone went by what the companies said, then no one would get their rotating assemblies balanced. Just because the company says that are all within a gram, doesnt mean that they are all within a gram.

 

[SpawnedX]

Our engines go from balanced to not balanced the moment you change pistons & rods. $200.00 now saves you $1,000.00+ later.

 

[Kaotic_red]

Who is to say that your pistons are weighted correctly? Like Cookmeup and Spawned said, Get it balanced. If you want a clean running car dont cut corners. Just my .02

 

[cookmeup272]

like u said, u just spent all that money on that block, why #### it all up by cheaping out on the balancing

 

[LiquidX]

For all intensive purposes, yes, you can install them out of the box AFTER you verify the bearing specs required for each rod.

All I have to say is look at my profile, I don't have a balance and I'm running fantastic still. It is extra insurance to balance but it's not needed unless parts are extremely off.

 

[Indian]

If you were to weigh them yourself, believing that they are going to weigh exactly what the manufacturer specifies,it would suprise you.

 

[TSI from Hell]

Ill just reinforce everyone elses statement, cause it's true: spend now, save later.

 

[rtincher22085]

heres the Rod s stamps

rod 1 S9
03
04160
04160

rod 2 S9
03
05079
05079

rod3 S9
03
05145
05145

rod4 S9
03
04197
04197

this is what is on the rod and the bottom duplicate is on the rod caps. ###### not to mix em up

 

[SpawnedX]

Why don't you change the question to what you really wanted:

"Someone please agree with me that I can install Eagle Rods out of the box with no extra processes so I feel better about it."

Because you clearly already made up your mind. You are not interested in our answers unless they matched what you wanted to hear.

Everyone has already said it, balance your assembly or be sorry later. Now the rest is up to you.

 

[rtincher22085]

Why don't you change the question to what you really wanted:

"Someone please agree with me that I can install Eagle Rods out of the box with no extra processes so I feel better about it."

Because you clearly already made up your mind. You are not interested in our answers unless they matched what you wanted to hear.

Everyone has already said it, balance your assembly or be sorry later. Now the rest is up to you.

Ok ? Sheesh SO hostile here I was weeding out people opinions and seeing how almost 95% of you said balance guess what I'm gonna do ?...........I'll let you tell me. No harm intended why is there so many people willing to be cocky and show they are. instead of helping me a fellow DSM'er to learn and go with the best advice all I was doing was posting whats on the rods I just got them 20 min ago.

 

[SpawnedX]

Ok ? Sheesh SO hostile here I was weeding out people opinions and seeing how almost 95% of you said balance guess what I'm gonna do ?...........I'll let you tell me. No harm intended why is there so many people willing to be cocky and show they are. instead of helping me a fellow DSM'er to learn and go with the best advice all I was doing was posting whats on the rods I just got them 20 min ago.

Everyone has been helpful and nice already. You have already been helped. People are not being cocky, they are sick of being asked questions where people don't expect a real answer only an answer that they want.

Don't care if you got them 5 minutes ago. You have been advised on what and why is the proper way. Now the post is just dragging out into a useless discussion.

 

[rtincher22085]

that was intended to you and thanks for the info the thread has ended thanks guys for the input.

 

[donniekak]

Our engines go from balanced to not balanced the moment you change pistons & rods. $200.00 now saves you $1,000.00+ later.

Not on an inline 4. On a v-engine different rod and piston weights require changing the weight of the counterweights. On an inline 4, as long as the crank is zero balanced, using different rods/pistons is ok, as long as the individual rods and pistons are the same weight.

It still is a good idea to have the assembly balanced, because you have no idea if your crank is balanced to begin with.

 

[SpawnedX]

Our cranks aren't 0 balanced from factory though, they are"advertised" as such but they aren't true zero balanced. Send a message to FFWD they will explain it better than I ever could.

 

[rtincher22085]

so if my crank was fine i had it polished your saying et that balanced even though it is balanced already? with the rods and pistons?

I will have it done thanks again thanks you again spawnedX and others on this forum who gave me the correct route advise

 

[BogusSVO]

ok.. at the factory, be it Mitsu, Ford toyota.. they bamlance the cranks close, not perfect

as far as any big name aftermarket parts maker.. they get close... the machine shop will get you about perfect most work it to be within about .5g

when you read on the box, balanced within 2g.. that means there can be 4 grams differance between the heaviest and lightest,

and just getting a gram scale will not cut it, there is a fixture needed for balancing the rods, you have to balance the small end, then the overall or big end.

this is what your looking to do...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/342138-how-fix-balance-hang-pistons.html

 

[rtincher22085]

ok.. at the factory, be it Mitsu, Ford toyota.. they bamlance the cranks close, not perfect

as far as any big name aftermarket parts maker.. they get close... the machine shop will get you about perfect most work it to be within about .5g

when you read on the box, balanced within 2g.. that means there can be 4 grams differance between the heaviest and lightest,

and just getting a gram scale will not cut it, there is a fixture needed for balancing the rods, you have to balance the small end, then the overall or big end.

this is what your looking to do...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/342138-how-fix-balance-hang-pistons.html

Thanks for the info that link you sent me should be stickyed in the block and head forum for future refference so people don't ask these questions again.