Do I need these?

[99Dodge1500]

I have a 96 Eagle Talon TSi AWD, I have a Pacesetter header, no cat, and I want to set my stock boost up to 14lbs. Do I need to get anything for just this? I am getting GlowShift boost, air/fuel, and don't know what else.

 

[jerseydiver84]

i ran a fpbigt28 my fuel set up was walboro 255 fuel pump got that because i was going to go bigger turbo later on, 550cc injectors, fuel pressure regulator, safc II, i used egt, air fuel (waste), and boost gauge, mbc, then i went with fmic, 3inch downpipe back exhaust, and so on, but basically if your not going for a big power set up this is a fairly cheap setup that will get your car moving.

 

[99Dodge1500]

I am getting a 3in all the way back, that sounds like a good setup, I have a question what does a charcoal canister do, and do I need it?

 

[Detective Coating]

No you don't need it unless Illinois has strict emissions standards which I don't believe they do. It captures all of the extra toxins that would go to the atmosphere in a black canister underneath your battery. Your better off to leave it there unless you are going to relocate your battery to clean up the engine bay. I did it to put my fusebox there but have since changed it because it's such a PITA to get to the fusebox when you keep having a fuse blow.

 

[Boostin95RST]

hey people i just went through this and you guyes are prob confusing the sh** out of him. he dont need anything but a boost controller and a boost guage, to get it where he wants it. and who is the guy saying they are only good for "about 10-12psi" the 2g's come stock at 12psi. you could crank up to 16psi without having anykind of fuel cut. maybe more. i just did a friends 95 gsx with a big 20g and he didnt get anything for fuel and he runs 14psi on stock fuel with no cuts at all

 

[Detective Coating]

Um, stock boost is 7-8psi. I would hit 11psi on mine with it still hooked up to the BCS but that was boost spike it wasn't true boost. I can tell you right now your buddy is overrunning his fuel pump and injectors, been there done that. Do you realize that a T-25 flows around 23-24 lb/min and a 20g flows around 42-44 lb/min. You are going to need fuel for that turbo!!

 

[JusMX141]

i just did a friends 95 gsx with a big 20g and he didnt get anything for fuel and he runs 14psi on stock fuel with no cuts at all

Good for him. Since 2G owners can't view injector duty on a logger display, I suppose he's living by the "what I don't know can't hurt me" theory.

Every car is different....what works for one will break another. I don't think any of us want to give advice that will kill anyone's engines.

Do you realize that a T-25 flows around 23-24 lb/min and a 20g flows around 42-44 lb/min. You are going to need fuel for that turbo!!

It does flow 44+ lb/min, but only when it's used well into it's efficiency range. Running a 20G at 14psi is well under the compressor's efficiency, so I'll guarantee he's only seeing 25-30 lb/min regardless.

He would've been better to stick with a turbo that is well into it's efficiency range at 14psi, unless he's planning on eventually growing into it with other mods.

 

[jerseydiver84]

big 20g with stock fuel setup, really? even if hes just running 14psi why wouldnt you upgrade your fuel, why wouldnt you do supporting mods the only thing you can do at this point is not run your turbo to its efficency range and possibly damage your car. id rather give someone advice thats going to help them and maybe make them research a little bit then give them advice thats gonna break there car, its pretty much routine you like your car and you want it to go fast so you buy the parts that get you there but at the same time you gotta buy the parts to keep it from breaking theres no cheap or easy way around it otherwise you find your car broken in your backyard.

 

[Detective Coating]

It does flow 44+ lb/min, but only when it's used well into it's efficiency range. Running a 20G at 14psi is well under the compressor's efficiency, so I'll guarantee he's only seeing 25-30 lb/min regardless.

He would've been better to stick with a turbo that is well into it's efficiency range at 14psi, unless he's planning on eventually growing into it with other mods.

I'll agree but when I was logging my IDC's with my 16g on 450's at 12psi I was maxing them out. I did have a 255 non rewired then. He is most definitely going to overrun the stock fuel system with that. 14psi on a 20g is different than 14psi on a t-25.

 

[jerseydiver84]

absolutely 14 psi is way different on the two turbos, i dont know why anyone would throw that turbo on there car without supporting mods, what would give someone the impression they wouldnt need to upgrade there fuel to run that turbo even at 14 psi.

 

[Boostin95RST]

what do you mean 2g cant monitor on a logger, even with the epromp? he isnt driving the car, we were going to get to the fuel but he ran tight on cash and we never got around to doing it, now he is selling it, and he burnt up his 1st gear somehow, he was planning on running more then 14 when he got other things done, it was just a 14lb WG


when he bought the car all it had was a bov and a boost guage, and that was reading 12psi
and another friend of mine has a 99 gst all original with 56k miles on it and he just put in a boost guage and its running 12. so are you sure it is only 7-8 pounds.

i wasnt giving him imformation that would hurt his car, with a t28 he could run 14. well unless my 12 pound stock is wrong

this guy around here that we dont speek of, (idiot) had a all stock 1g gsx and cranked it up to 19, driving it all day long, and it took it. besides the part that he would dump the clutch at like 6-7grand and blew the whole tranny apart.

i dont know maybe i am learning from the wrong people.

 

[Detective Coating]

Did you realize something went wrong in everyone of their cars? Maybe it wasn't directly because of that but its because they werent the smartest with their cars.

You can monitor with a logger, EPROM doesn't matter to log.

I have mine setup from j-pipe to wastegate on my 16g and it is hitting about 7psi max. No MBC.

You seem to be learning the wrong way. It's not throw a part on and add stuff later usually its add a few parts at the same time to meet an equilibrium so they support each other.

 

[Boostin95RST]

i did everything right on my 420a-t but it is going to be gone tomorrow and im picking up this 95 tsi awd, never owned a 4g63 to care as much about them but i guess i will never take advice from the guyes around here. well the car im pickiing up tomorrow still wont be 4g63 but ill let you guyes see it all when i pick it up and take the pics....

 

[99Dodge1500]

So will the T-25 handle 14psi? How would I adjust the boost when I get the MBC in, I know I have to turn the knob, but how do I know how much to turn it to get to the right boost level? Thanks for the replies, and no I will not be starting the motor, I am going to tear it down tomorrow.

 

[jerseydiver84]

depends on your boost controller, basically real easy way is to set it really really low make a few runs while keeping an eye on your boost gauge to tell where your at each time you adjust it, when you get to where you want to be boost wise you should have a good idea of how far you have to turn it to get what you want. if your going to go with a larger setup and tear down your motor your probably better off doin everything at once it will give you a better idea of whats going on with the car and you wont have to worry about running to much boost on a stock turbo or not being in efficency range because when you build a car from the ground up you research each part and you know what your getting into, i would figure out what you want to get out of your car, how much money you have to spend and then start making a build up plan, ask questions, research parts, and in the end put in the wrench time. if you need help go to local meets and see if you can get some help there most people you will meet there will be very helpful, or even post a thread on here asking for local help, good luck.

 

[gsxeclipse97]

Ok there is obviously some problems here.

1 stock 2g 12-15 psi. 16psi is the top of a t25 range.

2 stock 1g 9-11 psi "if you have a 16g is will be the same because they share the same spring rate as a 14b."

3. 14 psi on a 20g is way to much on stock fuel. For example, I hit fuel cut last night on my 14b at 15psi
on stock fuel. His car may be different but it is overall not a safe thing to do.

VFAQ Site - Visual Frequently Answered Questions has a link to 1000 already answered questions you should read that it cover all the basics.

 

[Bluefire16]

Um, stock boost is 7-8psi. I would hit 11psi on mine with it still hooked up to the BCS but that was boost spike it wasn't true boost. I can tell you right now your buddy is overrunning his fuel pump and injectors, been there done that. Do you realize that a T-25 flows around 23-24 lb/min and a 20g flows around 42-44 lb/min. You are going to need fuel for that turbo!!

Do you realize a stock 2g runs 11-12 psi stock. Its not 7-8 ...where is your information. And as far as the other guy.

hey people i just went through this and you guyes are prob confusing the sh** out of him. he dont need anything but a boost controller and a boost guage, to get it where he wants it. and who is the guy saying they are only good for "about 10-12psi" the 2g's come stock at 12psi. you could crank up to 16psi without having anykind of fuel cut. maybe more. i just did a friends 95 gsx with a big 20g and he didnt get anything for fuel and he runs 14psi on stock fuel with no cuts at all

A t25 can run 16psi without fuel cut, but some people see it. (I ran mine at 15psi, but its recommended to not go above 15.) DONT JUST GO CRANKING UP YOUR BOOST TO 16PSI....that can be an easy way to blow your motor... dont listen to that guy. Go 15psi tops, the turbo is to small anyways.... youll start to loose psi around 4200 rpm when WOT. (Turbos just to small and cant push enough air)

Hope this helps.

 

[Boostin95RST]

Did you realize something went wrong in everyone of their cars? Maybe it wasn't directly because of that but its because they werent the smartest with their cars.

You can monitor with a logger, EPROM doesn't matter to log.

I have mine setup from j-pipe to wastegate on my 16g and it is hitting about 7psi max. No MBC.

You seem to be learning the wrong way. It's not throw a part on and add stuff later usually its add a few parts at the same time to meet an equilibrium so they support each other.

seems like i know a little more then you think, read these last couple of posts, i have only owned a 4g63 for a few days and i know what they boost stock even tho im far from stock. seems like your learning the wrong way. i know its not throw a part on and go, like i said its not my car i was doing this to and this other guy knew what he needed. he just didnt do them yet.