Could use some turbo info to make the best choice to reach my 500+ awd goal

[RACER-X]

Ok this is what happend....back in March I had a coupler chew up the fins on my supposed GT35R wheel. I say supposed cause now I'm not sure about the honesty of the person that I bought the car from..... anyone know of a person that has taken a Greddy 18g turbo and fit a GT35R wheel in the comperssor cover. Well is it even possible? Granted its not the standard TD05H 18g but a TD06 (not sure if its a 6h been a while since I last looked up the serial no.) 18g.

Sorry for the rant.... on to why Im posting.

This is my dilemma: 1) do I spend money and ship unknown turbo to get rebuilt? and if it is in fact it is just a 18g it wont meet my goals... now I spent money on something I cant use.. so, even if I upgrade it to get me to my goals I would imagine I just rebuilt my blown turbo at a new turbos price...

2) Been thinking about not risking sending off what could be a small turbo and wasting money and instead purchasing a new turbo, and possibly a new turbo setup.

As for new turbos the goal I'm looking at is 500whp +

I dont mind leaving mitsu bolt on's and now that I've found that Dp turbo T3 mani goes for $599 and there is a punishment T3 mani for under $300 it doesn't restrict me to just certain turbos when all I was finding a yr and two yrs ago was $800 to $1,200 T3 manis and up. With those prices it still keeps me close to where I want to be money wise as far as the final setup.

I've been looking at Fp 3065, and 3052 ( i know there is a hta 3052 but couldnt find a price or the turbo on their site). With mentioned turbos, I'd go with fp's exhaust mani, and 3" o2, ... only other thing i'd need would be a tial wg, don't have one cause my turbo is internally gated.

Other turbo I have recently been giving some consideration to is the Borg Warner line of turbos ( once again, thanks Adrian for making me rethink configurations). I tried to find a web site for them but had no luck and the few sites I saw that were carrying them would only have 2-4 different turbos to chose from, so I'm not sure what turbo to go with or what configuration would be the best.


Any answers as to which way to go or what configuration has worked the best would be much appreciated as would any other helpful info pertaining to this thread.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

I know someone will ask for a current mods list, so ......


93 GSX
Block bored .020' over
balance shafts removed
JE pistons & Eagle rods
fully ported and polished cyl head
full ferrea valvetrains
FP2 camshafts
ARP head studs
ACT heavy duty clutch with 4 pucks unsprung for track use
HKS EVC 6 boost controller
EVO III headgasket
full rotating assembly balanced
HKS cam gear
Custom FP red (not the usual 60 trim comp wheel)
walbro pump
RC 780cc injectors
holley fuel pressure regulator
TRE STG 3 transmision with welded center diff
Griffin big core intercooler
custom IC piping
custom 3" stainless downpipe
Apex'i N1 full exhaust
AEM EMS tuned out to 420whp on 93 octane

 

[Strm Trpr]

Why don't you measure the inducers and exducers of both wheels so at least you know what you have?

As for 500whp, a bolt-on bullseye power housing 7-blade HX35 will do that at roughly 30psi.

The HTA3052 is essentially the HTA DSM76.

A FP3065 is a 82mm exducer GT3582R compressor wheel mated to a GT30 turbine wheel in FP's 30 series housing.

Also known as the GT3082R.

 

[JusMX141]

anyone know of a person that has taken a Greddy 18g turbo and fit a GT35R wheel in the comperssor cover.

Nope. I don't think it's possible. Why? The exducer height of the 35R is not only larger than the backplate area of a TD05H center housing, but it would be taller than the machinable area of an 18G's compressor cover.

He got you good on that one.

Been thinking about not risking sending off what could be a small turbo and wasting money and instead purchasing a new turbo, and possibly a new turbo setup.

Why not post some pics of your turbo so we can identify it for you? Both the compressor and turbine wheels.

 

[RACER-X]

Well cause right now its still on the car, and I don't have a lot of room in my garage to start pulling what's needed to get this turbo out and I'd rather not have to drain the fluids and have parts of the car in my cluttered garage when Im 2 months away from having the funds I need to start ordering parts.

We have a small garage and thanks to my wife even less floor space so to ensure the safety of my non damaged parts it's best to leave them on till I'm ready to start tearing down. I have 4 little ones and there in an out of the garage all the time, with their bikes, trikes, and battery powered atv's.



hear are the pics I do have...

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[LiquidX]

Start at 500hp and work your way up. Compare turbo with fuel and psi and then their setup with yours.

DSM Dyno Challenge - Highest Horsepower

 

[JusMX141]

Numbers don't mean shit....especially if the wheel was *supposedly* changed.

Post pics of the wheels, please.

 

[RACER-X]

Ok you convinced me Justin, I want to see what's in this Warlock too. I started tearing it down and of course the o2 dump to 3" back exhaust is all one piece... hope I don't have to cut it to pull the turbo out. Would have had the turbo out today but bolts on the exhaust mani. to turbo wouldn't budge and I didn't want to snap off a bolt or round off a nut so it will have to wait till tomorrow. I'll stop by Advanced Auto on my way home tomorrow and pick up some penetrating fluid and get those 4 bolts off. I'll be out of day light by the time I get the exhaust main bolts to head off, so turbo should be out by wed-thurs with pictures posted.

Then I guess it be easier to decide what to do from there.


Hey Justin if this turbo had the TD06 compressor housing (cause some 18g did have them) would there be room then to fit a 35R wheel in there?

 

[JusMX141]

Hey Justin if this turbo had the TD06 compressor housing (cause some 18g did have them) would there be room then to fit a 35R wheel in there?

Nope. The exducer tips of the wheel would surpass the cuttable shroud area on the backside of the housing (the part you can't see with the cover on the car).

 

[JOEY A]

I would think it would be to big to even stuff in a 18g to work. Well doesn't matter now that your turbo is shot. If it was me i'd get the large 30r for 500hp, I'm more about matched setups. Don't be a dreamer and buy shit to big to grow into. Lol there's about three people for the couple hundred that ever "grow" into what there over sized turbo is capable of. Remeber devin went 8 secounds on a 35r in his 2g! It's all in how well the car is prepped!

 

[RACER-X]

I would think it would be to big to even stuff in a 18g to work. Well doesn't matter now that your turbo is shot. If it was me i'd get the large 30r for 500hp, I'm more about matched setups. Don't be a dreamer and buy shit to big to grow into. Lol there's about three people for the couple hundred that ever "grow" into what there over sized turbo is capable of. Remeber devin went 8 secounds on a 35r in his 2g! It's all in how well the car is prepped!

Oh no, I didn't mean to upgrade or go larger then a 35R.. I meant upgrading my turbo as in "I'm sure the dipshit I bought the car from lied to me and all it is, is 18g or even modified 18g" and that is to small for me.

Trust me a true 35R or a turbo of that size is about as far as I'll go. If I can extract 500whp out of it I'll be happy 550whp and I'd be ecstatic, anything over that and I'd prob just use it to show that I was able to do it on a dyno and probably never turn the wick up that high again. Low 11:0? and I'll be more then happy.

 

[bfdahl]

one of these will do it.

These are Comp turbo CT3s with billet 6062s, and they spool like lightning.

saw one recently to 524 whp on a stock 1jz at 17 psi. using E85.

im running 2 on my VR4 3s these max out at 660hp

YouTube - Formula D 550whp Supra Drifting in FSR's parking lot

 

[RACER-X]

I know I'm bringing this back from the dead, but I just got around to taking the turbo apart and measuring the wheels. Had other issues like my VR4, wifes tahoe, and my two jeeps + my house that had been putting a drain on the money I had been putting aside for the GSX.

I have pictures but there on my phone and I don't know how to post them... I'm on my phone at work currently. However the turbine wheel measures to 62mm, the turbine wheel measures to 61mm on the inducer and 82mm at the exducer.

 

[ed1380]

I would have just went with a hx35($250) and a td05 bep housing($250). best in spool and price

 

[RACER-X]

here are the pics.

The culprit:

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The damage:

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[biglady112]

That looks like a GT35 sized wheel to me.

 

[bastarddsm]

Yeah, thats a big ole bi*** for being in a td05 chra, . Fix that thing, it seems kinda neat. Does the compressor cover go on with a snap ring? or bolt on? That looks like it could be a GT35 chra put in dsm housings. The turbine exducer is close to what I have for a GT35 and a TD06H, 68 and 67.31 respectively.

And, the several guys claiming get a bolt on HX35 for 500whp, are crazy. It's pretty damn difficult to get that out of a stock hotside, let alone the smallish BEP housing.

 

[RACER-X]

Yeah, thats a big ole bi*** for being in a td05 chra, . Fix that thing, it seems kinda neat. Does the compressor cover go on with a snap ring? or bolt on? That looks like it could be a GT35 chra put in dsm housings. The turbine exducer is close to what I have for a GT35 and a TD06H, 68 and 67.31 respectively.

And, the several guys claiming get a bolt on HX35 for 500whp, are crazy. It's pretty damn difficult to get that out of a stock hotside, let alone the smallish BEP housing.

Yeah I know, but I ignored it, didn't want to start a debate.

And yes, the compressor does go on with a snap ring. I do believe it is a GT35 wheel, mated to a TD06 turbine, going by the look of the fins and wheel size measurements. All that crammed into what used to be a TD05h 18g compressor and exhaust housing.

 

[bastarddsm]

I wonder what the shaft size on a GT35 vs TD06H are. That sounds like an amazing sleeper turbo. That thing should own the stock appearing class. .

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Go T3 and never look back..

FP GT3582R HTA

 

[RACER-X]

Go T3 and never look back..

FP GT3582R HTA

Funny you mention that, am actually considering it. Now that there are a few t3 manifolds that won't break the bank Ive been considering doing the mitsu to t3 swap and putting on a punishment mani for the price of a fp mani.

I wonder what the shaft size on a GT35 vs TD06H are. That sounds like an amazing sleeper turbo. That thing should own the stock appearing class. .

Not sure but I'll post up the info after it gets taken apart this next week.

 

[bastarddsm]

Funny you mention that, am actually considering it. Now that there are a few t3 manifolds that won't break the bank Ive been considering doing the mitsu to t3 swap and putting on a punishment mani for the price of a fp mani.



Not sure but I'll post up the info after it gets taken apart this next week.

Some of those t3 mani's might make more power, but I can promise none of the cheaper ones will match the durabiity of a cast manifold.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

Get an HTA86 with FP30 turbine housing and use your FP manifold.

 

[RACER-X]

Sorry no i wont be buying any holset. I'm not really a fan of them at all. Austin and I have 3 different compressor wheels in mind, one of them being another GT35, and two other wheels. Will be changing to a anti surge housing, and now Im thinking of putting a T3 turbine housing with my TD06h wheel.... may even be up grading from the TD06h wheel.... I know, I know, there isn't a upgrade past the 6h. yes there is, although my builder isn't sure if he'll be able to locate one.

Will post more info as build progresses. UPS should have delivered my turbo yesterday. I know I'm being a little vague but just incase these are trade secrets I don't want to be giving anything away.

 

[JusMX141]

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That is insane. I can't imagine how thin the metal is along the outer ring of the machined groove the compressor sits in....not to mention how much machining had to be done to the compressor alone just to get it to fit. The flipside of the wheel had to be machined, the shaft bore had to be machined, and so did the front of the wheel just to get a locknut on. You can see a little bit of flat-spotting on the fins near the hub area where it had been machined flat just to be able to get a nut on it.

For those who don't understand, on the flip side of this photo there's a machined groove for the cover's snap ring. Machining from the snap ring surface along with machining the backplate to fit has left the housing wafer-thin in that area.

Red arrow = the end of a "safe" machinable area. The FP Red's 76mm exducer is within this spec...barely. So now we know it's possible, but it may not be safe to do such a thing as the housing could easily crack and the turbo would basically explode, sending shrapnel everywhere.

Honestly with all the necessary machining to the wheel, cover, and housing....it would probably have been cheaper to buy a used 35R from a trusted source.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

The billet 71mm pro wheel in my HX52 cost $695.

Brand new an HX52 retails for more than 1500, and if you buy it from Volvo for a D12C diesel theyll ask for just shy of 1900.

So basically you just feel its a trend, and to be cool or edgy you have to hate on what is really a no brainer decision in many cases.

Durable as hell, used ones are abundant and rebuilding is more than affordable.

Not too mention the spool and flow for their size is remarkable.