Ceramic coatings vs. Jet Hot 2000 coating

[Sam@RRE]

Skimmed through the thread. Recently had a car in here with a Swain Coated manifold like "G" has. I was impressed by the fact that the guy drove the car to our shop a good 20 miles and when it got here, we were able to write up the paper work in 5 minutes and get to work. The manifold was hot (obviously) but not cook your hand like instant noodles hot the moment you touched it. You could rest your hand there for 5~10 seconds before it got unbearable. Granted some have a higher tolerance for pain, and some have a lower. But I'd say with just the coating alone, temps were definitely lower than uncoated with a heat shield.
Now depending on your manifold, I'd rock the coating AND use a heat shield.

 

["G"]

Agreed. For road racing do the swain & then add the heat wrap, this would be the best heat control. My experience has been with turbo rotary manifolds as well as turbo 4g63 manifolds for street use.

 

[pboglio]

I like Swaintech coatings, but they want your first born to do the manifold, turbine housing, and 02 housing. I paid I think $200 back in 1995 for them to do my manifold and turbine housing, alot more these days.

 

["G"]

Price was never part of the op's input requested.

 

[pboglio]

Yes, I'm aware of that, that doesn't negate the validity of the statement I made.

 

["G"]

Sure it does negate the validity of your opinion. Your idea of expensive is not the same as everyone else's.

 

[drivemusicnow]

G... You have a valid opinion, and one I agree with, but you really need to learn how to be personable. Stop being a dick, offer your opinion as an opinion, and realize that not everyone has the same one as you do.

That said, swain tech one of the best options in my opinion. Jet hot coatings are more for looks than heat retention. That said, there are other companies you should get quotes from. Zircotec is the first equivalent process that comes to mind. Zircotec also offers a large amount of hard data on their product that you can view.

 

["G"]

Ha Ha! I really didn't think I was being rude. I guess people read between the lines too much. Please read only what I type not what you think i'm inferring. If I wanted personable & to make friends i'd go to facebook or myspace.

 

[Boooost]

OK to get back on topic, I just got my stuff back from swain-tech. Top notch service. Had the parts back to my door in 7 days. I paid $200 for my manifold, and another $75 for the dump pipes. I already have the turbo under a blanket, so I opted not to do the turbine housing (for now). I'm going back to the dyno soon, I'll post my feedback from the logs. Here's some eye candy:

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["G"]

Told you. ^^ Wait till you install the parts & feel the heat difference.

 

[fwdmaster]

OK to get back on topic, I just got my stuff back from swain-tech. Top notch service. Had the parts back to my door in 7 days. I paid $200 for my manifold, and another $75 for the dump pipes. I already have the turbo under a blanket, so I opted not to do the turbine housing (for now). I'm going back to the dyno soon, I'll post my feedback from the logs. Here's some eye candy:

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Looks legit, youll be happy with the swaintech coating

 

[fergulus]

I purchased the ceramic coat from Bonehead, and while the finish has held up just fine, the temps did not drop at all. I will be going and taking all my exhaust parts to get Swain Tech coated when I get back.

 

[pboglio]

Hmm, not surprised by the results.

 

[TSimage]

An example of function over form. Looks horrid but the gains bust definitely be worth it.

 

[greengoblin]

You can top coat the swaintech coating with a pretty one if you can't stand the color.

 

[Slippi84]

Just a little non swaintech colt info j/k I talked to several companys a while back when I was looking to get my setup coated and what I found is that the stuff that's rated to 2400* or what not is actually less effective if your application will not be pushing heat up around or close to that heat range. You actually get better heat controlling properties from a lower grade coating that is more around your range because the chemical make up of the coating is made for that kind of heat. I actually coated my HX52 setup and JHR manifold in VHT 2000* spray on ceramic coating and then cooked it on as per the can. To test how it would hold up I turned on the overn cranked it full blast and left it on for like 30 min and pulled it out and it was perfectly fine no discoloration or bubbling.

Another option to Swain tech would be Shearer. He actually said that messing around one day he came up with his gold and silver coatings you see on his products and claims after full WOT runs down the track the manifold is barely warm to the touch if I remember right. There was a guy with his top mount GT35r kit that had the stuff and loved it and it had a finish that was more apealing than Swain Tech and didn't chip peal or flake. I think that everything should come coated in atleast some grade of ceramic I love the stuff and I"m debating on who to send my new setup too

 

[AndrewD5418]

Shearer doesn't have anything on their website about coatings.

 

[snowborder714]

Here's some pictures of Shearer products with his coating on them. According to the car's owner, the coating worked really well. Very little radiant heat in the bay and the coating looked like that after much abuse (car put down over 700hp).

Quote from Shearer himself.

That coating on Craig's junk is the cats ass. Myself and my coater played the mad scientist role one day and ended up with that. Craig shot it with a temp gun immediately after a pass at the shootout and if I remember correctly the header was ~330f, the turbine housing was ~525f, and the uncoated downpipe was ~920f.

It's expensive, only comes in the super sexy pearlescent gold, and you won't find a better coating anywhere.

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["G"]

Anyone of these companies can make a coating look & perform well right out of the box. Durability & adhesion is the key. I'd like to see some of these other coatings after a year. Swain's years of experience is hard to beat as noted in my original posts on pg 1.

 

[wishihadatalon]

MMM Swain coated fp manifold, turbine housing, and o2 housing. It reminds me of the parts on my wife's car because that is exactly what she has. I can't offer before or after info, but I can say that I am happy with the coating.

Chris, you might want to contact places and ask for real technical data. I would assume that Swaintech and larger companies would have test data to support their products.

 

["G"]

Even ams finally discovered swaintech >> Chuck?s 1000hp GT-R Build Update 8 |

 

[wishihadatalon]

[QUOTE="G";152134146]Even ams finally discovered swaintech >> Chuck?s 1000hp GT-R Build Update 8 |[/QUOTE]

Those aren't swaintech coated. They are plastic molds from their 3d printer. They are intended for test fit before they send out their design for casting.

 

["G"]

They look like swain to me!

 

[aaronmatusz]

I just got my turbo back from several different shops. Here is an example of Swaintech and Inconel wrap.

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["G"]

Looks good.