bolt on slowboy gt35r..good or bad ??

[Coup D E'Tat]

He went 11.1 with 24 psi. I don't think that is too shabby at all.

You're right. As long as it was a legitimate 24PSI, then yea, he made some nice power.

But, how many others are pulling that off? Take into consideration his 9:1 as well.

 

[Slippi84]

You're right. As long as it was a legitimate 24PSI, then yea, he made some nice power.

But, how many others are pulling that off? Take into consideration his 9:1 as well.

If your striving to be another face in the crowd and make what everyon else is makin then why strive to make big power at all. WHose to say that you or I can't be the one to make more than most people. If everyone strives to do what everyone else is then you wouldn't have people like dre and that guy running 11's with a t25 and so on.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

I understand what you're saying, but if someone runs 120MPH with a .63 T3, and someone else runs 120MPH with a Mitsu, I wouldn't care regardless, and I don't think many others would, either. If it's easier to get power with Plan X, then use it.

 

[Slippi84]

I understand what you're saying, but if someone runs 120MPH with a .63 T3, and someone else runs 120MPH with a Mitsu, I wouldn't care regardless, and I don't think many others would, either. If it's easier to get power with Plan X, then use it.

If the mitsu housing can is capable of your goal and it spools faster why would you go t3 hosing. I hear that the t3 hosing will make more power but if a mitsu housing can take a car to the brink of tens and beyond and spool a little faster I can't see going t3. If your just makin a drag only car or a non dd then spool isn't a factor but as long as spool is a factor and your goal isn't fater than real low 11's high 10's which seems to be the limit of the mitsu housing then it seems like a better choice to me.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

If the mitsu housing can is capable of your goal and it spools faster why would you go t3 hosing. I hear that the t3 hosing will make more power but if a mitsu housing can take a car to the brink of tens and beyond and spool a little faster I can't see going t3. If your just makin a drag only car or a non dd then spool isn't a factor but as long as spool is a factor and your goal isn't fater than real low 11's high 10's which seems to be the limit of the mitsu housing then it seems like a better choice to me.

I was speaking in a drag racing train of thought, where X speed is X speed no matter what parts you're running.

Daily driver is too broad a term at this point, so I'll stick to numbers instead of preferences for any more of my posts in this thread.

 

[Slippi84]

I was speaking in a drag racing train of thought, where X speed is X speed no matter what parts you're running.

Daily driver is too broad a term at this point, so I'll stick to numbers instead of preferences for any more of my posts in this thread.

Ok I feel ya. IN that case then we're on the same page mitsu spools faster and t3 makes more power and most of the numbers and test show that. The thing we can escape though which is makin us go around in circles is you look at the numbers and take one thing out of them and I take something else out of them but I eckwoledge what you take out and understand it.

 

[black91awdturbo]

slippi84 that is cool what you are building your car to do, please no that I wasnt asking to be a dick I was just curious. I was wondering if you were gonna be more drag or street. And you gave me a good answer , and yes you are correct that the mitsu does spool faster and for some it would be a better choice that I wont argue. What I am saying is for some one like me who is building a car piece by piece and has the down time the cost per benfit of the t3 housing is well worth it vrs the mitsu. But too the 24psi at 11.1 I wanna see proof of that for myself , I am not saying that its not possibe how ever its not pratical if you know what I mean. Slippi here is what I guess we can agree on I am going .63ar full t3 Garret you have the mitsu it will be interesting to see where are cars end up.

 

[Slippi84]

slippi84 that is cool what you are building your car to do, please no that I wasnt asking to be a dick I was just curious. I was wondering if you were gonna be more drag or street. And you gave me a good answer , and yes you are correct that the mitsu does spool faster and for some it would be a better choice that I wont argue. What I am saying is for some one like me who is building a car piece by piece and has the down time the cost per benfit of the t3 housing is well worth it vrs the mitsu. But too the 24psi at 11.1 I wanna see proof of that for myself , I am not saying that its not possibe how ever its not pratical if you know what I mean. Slippi here is what I guess we can agree on I am going .63ar full t3 Garret you have the mitsu it will be interesting to see where are cars end up.

What kind of setup do you plan on running?

 

[black91awdturbo]

Well I have the head done but its nothing special its just ported and polished with 272 cams and manley springs. I have a Dn performance tubular with 44mm waste gate. The rest I am saving for it will be a true Garret .63 35r, and a run of the mill forged bottom end and dsmlink. Its gonna take time but will be worth it in the end I think.
Oh and I have the Jm smim

 

[Initial DSM]

slippi84 that is cool what you are building your car to do, please no that I wasnt asking to be a dick I was just curious. I was wondering if you were gonna be more drag or street. And you gave me a good answer , and yes you are correct that the mitsu does spool faster and for some it would be a better choice that I wont argue. What I am saying is for some one like me who is building a car piece by piece and has the down time the cost per benfit of the t3 housing is well worth it vrs the mitsu. But too the 24psi at 11.1 I wanna see proof of that for myself , I am not saying that its not possibe how ever its not pratical if you know what I mean. Slippi here is what I guess we can agree on I am going .63ar full t3 Garret you have the mitsu it will be interesting to see where are cars end up.

hey brother what kinda proof u wanna see i already posted the video's of my runs sorry the 11.1 pass did'nt show the time its because in the state of nj if u go 11.49 or faster u need a cage and my car doesnt have one ...e-town didn't even give me a time slip they made me go up to the tower and had my time writen on a piece of paper and on top of that they booted my hinee off the track.. i guess time for a cage ;-/

 

[nanokpsi]

If the mitsu housing can is capable of your goal and it spools faster why would you go t3 hosing. I hear that the t3 hosing will make more power but if a mitsu housing can take a car to the brink of tens and beyond and spool a little faster I can't see going t3. If your just makin a drag only car or a non dd then spool isn't a factor but as long as spool is a factor and your goal isn't fater than real low 11's high 10's which seems to be the limit of the mitsu housing then it seems like a better choice to me.

To me, it sounds like you are trying to justify going with somehting inferior. First off, you don't lose 400rpm spool form going to a bolt on housing to a .63 t3. Spool up is nearly the same. However, the .63 is a much better platform to make the power on and will make more power at the same psi.

If you are satisfied with a "turbo that can take you to the brink of tens" then just buy a 20g. Don't buy a 600+whp turbo and cripple it by putting it in a crappy turbine housing. Your just giving yourslef more lag for no increase in power.

IMHO, the bolt on stuff is only good to bridge the gap if you need to replace a blown turbo and don't have the money to go Garrett at the time. You could just ditch the TH later on for something better down the road when you have more funding.

 

[Slippi84]

To me, it sounds like you are trying to justify going with somehting inferior. First off, you don't lose 400rpm spool form going to a bolt on housing to a .63 t3. Spool up is nearly the same. However, the .63 is a much better platform to make the power on and will make more power at the same psi.

If you are satisfied with a "turbo that can take you to the brink of tens" then just buy a 20g. Don't buy a 600+whp turbo and cripple it by putting it in a crappy turbine housing. Your just giving yourslef more lag for no increase in power.

IMHO, the bolt on stuff is only good to bridge the gap if you need to replace a blown turbo and don't have the money to go Garrett at the time. You could just ditch the TH later on for something better down the road when you have more funding.

Have you ever tried to run high 10's on a 20g. If you have then you would know it's no cake walk and unless you are some kinda of mnagical tuner and have a fully built car in which you wouldn't limit yourself to a 20g anyway your not gonna get there. I have a turbo that will pull till I need it to and will get me my goals easily. I don't have to justify anything the turbo and my dyno sheet will justify it for me. You need to be more realistic my friend normal people don't get 600whp out of 600hp turbos. That's what we call eutopia


Edit: By the way 428whp out of a t67 seems a little low even with pump gas maybe you should have went bolt on housing and made more power like the guy that went went 11.1 like the other guy OOL

 

[Initial DSM]

Have you ever tried to run high 10's on a 20g. If you have then you would know it's no cake walk and unless you are some kinda of mnagical tuner and have a fully built car in which you wouldn't limit yourself to a 20g anyway your not gonna get there. I have a turbo that will pull till I need it to and will get me my goals easily. I don't have to justify anything the turbo and my dyno sheet will justify it for me. You need to be more realistic my friend normal people don't get 600whp out of 600hp turbos. That's what we call eutopia


Edit: By the way 428whp out of a t67 seems a little low even with pump gas maybe you should have went bolt on housing and made more power like the guy that went went 11.1 like the other guy OOL

 

[GVR4592]

Have you ever tried to run high 10's on a 20g. If you have then you would know it's no cake walk and unless you are some kinda of mnagical tuner and have a fully built car in which you wouldn't limit yourself to a 20g anyway your not gonna get there. I have a turbo that will pull till I need it to and will get me my goals easily. I don't have to justify anything the turbo and my dyno sheet will justify it for me. You need to be more realistic my friend normal people don't get 600whp out of 600hp turbos. That's what we call eutopia


Edit: By the way 428whp out of a t67 seems a little low even with pump gas maybe you should have went bolt on housing and made more power like the guy that went went 11.1 like the other guy OOL

He did it on a stock 7 bolt, with very low boost. on pump gas.

 

[Slippi84]

He did it on a stock 7 bolt, with very low boost. on pump gas.

Running a t67 with pump gas and low boost and using that ass your dyno number seems pointless. My point was that for someone saying that bolt on hosuings are a waste performance wise and are only a cheap mans way of getting by you would think he would have something more substancial to back up a comment like that. 425 on pump gas is attainable with a turbo like mine yet his turbo is a good one and mine isn't

 

[spoolinawd91]

He did it on a stock 7 bolt, with very low boost. on pump gas.

24psi is very low boost?

 

[Slippi84]

24psi is very low boost?

Yeah all I have to say is wow. Talk about me trying to justify inferior parts this guy is trying to break the 500whp mark with a stock clutch and then tries to say it's not the clutch that is holding him back . I have all the supporting mods minus cams which I will be pickin up next pay day either fp2x or dks 272's and i'll be tuning with the new Gen 2 MAFT with wideband a/f controlled tuning. My bolt on housing may not be the best but I"m sure as hell not gona try and make big power on a stock clutch.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

This thread has lost all meaning. Way too many people talking about things they know nothing of.

 

[Slippi84]

This thread has lost all meaning. Way too many people talking about things they know nothing of.

This whole long drawn out debate started because of that very thing.

 

[nanokpsi]

Have you ever tried to run high 10's on a 20g. If you have then you would know it's no cake walk and unless you are some kinda of mnagical tuner and have a fully built car in which you wouldn't limit yourself to a 20g anyway your not gonna get there. I have a turbo that will pull till I need it to and will get me my goals easily. I don't have to justify anything the turbo and my dyno sheet will justify it for me. You need to be more realistic my friend normal people don't get 600whp out of 600hp turbos. That's what we call eutopia


Edit: By the way 428whp out of a t67 seems a little low even with pump gas maybe you should have went bolt on housing and made more power like the guy that went went 11.1 like the other guy OOL

If you had a better undersrtanding of turbo systems in general, this wouldn't even be a debate. Bigger wheels aren't going to make up for you not having enough mods. Especially when you have it in a small hotside. Its especially not going to do a damn thing for your POOR solution for tuning and intercooling.

As far as my power, I don't know what you expect out of a stock 2g head and pump gas. I surely didn't buy it for that. I wanted a 700whp turbo and I got one. The funny thing is when the new set up is in, it will make more power on pump gas than your car will on race gas. I can't see why any sub 300whp car would even bring up the power I made anyways.

As far as the boost, its all realative. 24psi is relatively low for what a 75 lb/min turbo can/will make on a 4 cylinder. As a datapoint people with the fp3575(67mm compressor) and psi in the low 30s make around 600whp on 2.4s. Ecoli made 700whp with a 67/p trim at the same boost. The fp housing is also eons better the the other bolt ons on the market.

When you read my posts (and others' posts) remeber that my last name is not Garrett, Honeywell, or Precision. I get nothing if you choose to go with any turbo. I'm just explaining to anyone reading what I wish someone would have explained to me before I bought the scm50, and scm61. Bolts ons cost you power for the sake of convience. I would run a garrett with an adapter plate before I did any PTE "m" hotside or SBR turbine housing. AMS still sells their kits that way

 

[nanokpsi]

This whole long drawn out debate started because of that very thing.

There isn't a debte here. We're just trying to make sure everyone knows bolt ons suck.

 

[nanokpsi]

Yeah all I have to say is wow. Talk about me trying to justify inferior parts this guy is trying to break the 500whp mark with a stock clutch and then tries to say it's not the clutch that is holding him back . I have all the supporting mods minus cams which I will be pickin up next pay day either fp2x or dks 272's and i'll be tuning with the new Gen 2 MAFT with wideband a/f controlled tuning. My bolt on housing may not be the best but I"m sure as hell not gona try and make big power on a stock clutch.

Listen numnuts, the clutch wasn't/isn't slipping. It isn't holding anything back. WHy would I waste money on a clutch for the 7 bolt when a different motor will be going in shortly? If your oh so brilliant idea would be to use the same clutch, I'm sure the clutch needed to hold 600+ lb/ft would make a 7 bolt bottom end very happy.
Rest assured as the stock motor is out of the car. My Polk built, crower rodded 2.4 with a CNC'd polk level 4 head/comp 101400s will be in soon. Its has an act 2900 going in with it so it should be ok for now. Maybe I should ditch my t4/t67 for a gt14 so it will make some real power. Then I could ditch my DSMlink and tune with a chip/translator!!11!

 

[Slippi84]

Name calling huh? Usualy the first sign when you don't know what your talkin about

I hear all your belly button excuses but i'll just say this. You say my big wheel won't make up for lack of mods this is funny coming from a guy with 264/272 combo for a pt67 and a stock clutch. I could sit here and say I'm Gonna do this and that but I don't all my mods except cams are on my motor. WHen you make these big numbers you let us know.

 

[nanokpsi]

Name calling huh? Usualy the first sign when you don't know what your talkin about

I hear all your belly button excuses but i'll just say this. You say my big wheel won't make up for lack of mods this is funny coming from a guy with 264/272 combo for a pt67 and a stock clutch. I could sit here and say I'm Gonna do this and that but I don't all my mods except cams are on my motor. WHen you make these big numbers you let us know.

I'll be sure to PM you the link to my dyno thread. The cams were bought pre fp/comp cams and the 272 intake was on glactic back order at the time.
You keep me posted and let me know when you make more than 428whp. Be sure to bring your c16 because I needed 27-28 psi to make 400whp on a SCM61 and stock intake manifold. Maybe your 1g head will make up the rest of the difference for you.

 

[44pirate]

There isn't a debte here. We're just trying to make sure everyone knows bolt ons suck.

If bolt ons suck, then there shouldn't be a market for them! For us daily drivers bolt ons are best things for us cheap ass 11 second doers.
You my friend need to chillax.