Basic MAFT Questions [merged] GM MAF Translator

[gotboost55]

Basic MAFT Questions
What is it?
What does it do?
Where does it go?
Where does the xxxx color wire go?
Can I vent with a MAFT?
What MAF can I use?
Can I use a 2g MAFT with a 1g?
Can I use a 1g MAFT with a 2g?

Sorry guys !but am not really sure about this one.What does the MAFT really do and is it a good buy?thanks

 

[iboostdoyou]

The setup that paranoid explained is correct, but it is used to either vent the blow off valve CORRECTLY in a blowthrough setup by placing the new GM sensor in the UICP, or to put the sensor on your intake pipe in place of the stock sensor for power gains. Whichever way you run the maft/gm mas combo you will see gains in spool up and air flow I have the setup and I love it, the MAFT not only lets you run the sensor, but is also a rough way to tune

 

[mikes94blacktsi]

ok thanx but 2 more questions one can i run my car if i unplug the sensor and leave it off will it hurt the car or add performance and two were can i purchase a translator and a gm mas

 

[iboostdoyou]

If you disconnect your stock sensor right now, it will run terrible and you will lose power. When/if you buy the translator setup, it would be a good idea to remove your stock air sensor just for better airflow since it is not being used anymore. You can find the translator itself at Ramchargers . The gm mas sensor you can find on ebay for like $50, or you can buy it new for around $150 from Dejon Tool (it is the second item on the page i believe). If at all possible I would try and find a set used in the classifieds or the dsmtrader. Your also going to need this intercooler pipe or modify a different UICP, i would reccomend this one though Dejon Blowthrough pipe (the one i'm talking about is the second picture on the page). Hope this helps

 

[mikes94blacktsi]

ok man thanks alot

 

[mikes94blacktsi]

yo man another question does the maft does it plug into the stock maf on a 1g talon cyclone motor and if it doesnt what would need to be done

 

[justin_5585]

No it doesn't just plug into the stock MAF, and to make it work you need to upgrade to a gm maf sensor. I looked at your mod list and there is nothing on it, there are a ton of upgrades that should be done before this. If you are doing this for no reason other than to vent your bov to atmosphere, you're still gonna need to upgrade your upper intercooler pipe to one that is solid and incorporates the MAF sensor in a blow through design, meaning that the sensor is after the turbo and the bov, just before the throttle body. this enables you to vent your blow off valve without losing already metered air. As i said before though, unless your heart is set on venting ASAP, there are a lot better mods for the money at this stage of the game. Take a look at the tuning guide on this site, the items are listed in that order for a reason. Either way good luck to ya though

-justin

 

[Mits3gts]

is the maf-t good enough for basic tuning? i dont plan on making huge amounts of power and just run my 14b.but i can get a good deal on a complete setup for the gm mas.so do i REALLY need a safc along with this? thanks

 

[Spellmen]

No, you do not need an SAFC. I currently only have a MAFT for tuning on my 14b setup and tuning is very simple

 

[DevilSperm]

No, you do not need an SAFC. I currently only have a MAFT for tuning on my 14b setup and tuning is very simple

ditto

 

[madman]

The setup that paranoid explained is correct, but it is used to either vent the blow off valve CORRECTLY in a blowthrough setup by placing the new GM sensor in the UICP, or to put the sensor on your intake pipe in place of the stock sensor for power gains.

could you go into more detail about what the difference is in the two setups?

 

[iboostdoyou]

The last 2 posts were deleted for obvious reasons, but honestly bro, just search for what your looking for. When you ask "could you go into more detail about what the difference is in the two setups?" it is very easy to search and find that answer. In theory there are only 2 ways to run the maft setup. They are very detailed and have advantages and disadvantages to each. So search and you will find diagrams, actual statistical numbers on airflow/hp/tq etc, as well as the reason for running the maft. If it will help, the names of each setup is respectively (blowthrough, and drawthrough) and it will help narrow your search instead of just searching for maft. Each setup is literally too much info for me to type out, so utilize the knowledge of the other 50,000 members and past posts on this exact subject. Although this may not have answered your exact question, in the long run it WILL help, and save room on the site for more useful questions that have not already been discussed repeatedly.

EDIT: and if your really lazy, here is an old thread that has only 2 posts onto it, that explains perfectly what your asking http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152360&highlight=drawthrough

 

[97TSIAWD]

I am thinking about upgrading to this setup and wanted some feed back. Obviously I know about the potential of removing the stock mas and allowing more air to be fed to the turbo. But is it really worth upgrading? Will I see much of a difference at the track compared to what my setup is now? How hard is it to tune, I was reading the tuning instructions earlier and it seems like a lot of work just to get it dialed in. I do have an safc and was also wondering how this two interact, I have read people say baseline with the maft then fine tune with the safc. Thanks for your help guys.

Almost forgot, do I have to buy a new uicp? I have seen people's before and after and it seems some chose to cut their current pipes to add the unit, not sure if this is possible or only seems this way.

 

[blackGSX2g]

I've got nothing but good things to say about it. It was the first tuning I had ever done and I got mine running just fine. Upped my MPG by alot, better performance, and quick spoolup. Spoolup was almost instantanious with my t-25, and when I put on my evo, I didn't notice a spoolup difference between the two at all really. With my new motor and the evo 16g, I get full 13 psi at about 2500-2600 rpms.

As for the UICP, I was able to hack a little off the end of mine and fit 2 reducers on the GM MAF and got it to work just fine.

 

[sinfire55]

Is the wire that is supposed to be connected to the 58th pin on the ecu or the 4th transistor pin required in order for the maf to operate correctly or is that just for rpm based tuning?

 

[BoBbOrAzE]

im hooking mine up right now as well, i searched through a million threads and i read over and over its only for rpm based tuning not needed if your just going to hook it up normally.

stock injectors: Aux knob at 4, Base knob at 2 everything else at 0. thats what im doin for now since im not tuning with it

 

[97TSIAWD]

I've got nothing but good things to say about it. It was the first tuning I had ever done and I got mine running just fine. Upped my MPG by alot, better performance, and quick spoolup. Spoolup was almost instantanious with my t-25, and when I put on my evo, I didn't notice a spoolup difference between the two at all really. With my new motor and the evo 16g, I get full 13 psi at about 2500-2600 rpms.

As for the UICP, I was able to hack a little off the end of mine and fit 2 reducers on the GM MAF and got it to work just fine.

Some have said that the mod is really only needed for 400+hp applications, but I have seen them used on all types of cars including stock 14b turbo cars. I have good response in spool now but quicker spool won't hurt anything . I'm just seriously considering this mod, I already have safc to tune but I heard that the maft doesn't interfere with that at all. I'm still looking into it as it is a pricey venture.

 

[karbon]

Some have said that the mod is really only needed for 400+hp

The only reason people say that is that you WILL eventually outflow the stock MAF, even with it being hacked to pieces with the thing hogged out to its limits. After 2700 or so Hz (if I remember right) the MAS starts giving off some erratic readings. The MAF is good to 3500+ so I hear. I don't know anyone outflowing it, but it's more accurate at very high flow rates. Of course the decreased spool time won't hurt. My entire MAF setup costed around $500. For that price you could have a lot of stuff, like DSMLink (and then you'd be able to sell the AFC to make some cash back).
Just saw that you were in Twinsburg. Maybe I'll seeya at 42 one of these times

 

[ICE_T]

Hi,. I have a 1G with a 2G maf.

I buy a MAFT for 2G,. because I have the 2g plug.

I want to know how to install the maft. I check from the Vfaq,. but I'm not sure if it's good. because some of maft owner, donc cut the ECU pin #10??!!??

http://www.vfaq.com/mods/wayback/gm1.htm

should I follow the 1G step or 2G step..how to do it,. if you have link,. I will be happy.

thx

 

[ICE_T]

no body know??, I just one to know if I follow the 1G or 2G steps??.

 

[spoolup]

if you have "HAD" a 2G mas, then just follow the instruction with the MAFT translator since it will just plug right in minus the RPM wire. The notes you just looked up makes it easier to install the MAFT inside since you do not need to run the wires going to the original MAS thru the firewall. (did mine similar). Also what version of firmware is on your translator box? V1.37 or earlier (IE lower number) you will have to take in concideration the airflow difference between the stock 1G mas and the 2G mas program (as you would for any piggy back). If you have V 2.01 or later (IE higher number) make sure you use the "newer" (even thought its like 1 year old already) injector select table in the instructions should list 1G and 2G on the same table. The firmware version should be written on the chip but mine original 1.37 was written on the underside of the lid so who knows. BUT I would trust whats on the chip first.

 

[ICE_T]

ok, thx for the answer,

I have a v2.02.

 

[1fstSS]

2.01 is the latest version, i guess full throttle had a 2.x8 but it was a beta version and not as good as the 2.01, but the MAFT should be plug and play!

 

[ICE_T]

2.01 is the latest version, i guess full throttle had a 2.x8 but it was a beta version and not as good as the 2.01, but the MAFT should be plug and play!

ah,. ok,. good to know!!

I take it from ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7969661243

 

[tstkl]

so what is the newest, or best version of the maft, im guessing that anything over 2.01 would be good enof, but if they all cost the same you might as well look for the best. is 2.02 better than 2.01? is there anything better?

 

[ICE_T]

so what is the newest, or best version of the maft, im guessing that anything over 2.01 would be good enof, but if they all cost the same you might as well look for the best. is 2.02 better than 2.01? is there anything better?

I install the maft setup in 2 weeks,. so let me a bit of time, and I gonna tune and log with this kit,. and tell you how it's work on my setup.