Basic MAFT Questions [merged] GM MAF Translator

[gotboost55]

Basic MAFT Questions
What is it?
What does it do?
Where does it go?
Where does the xxxx color wire go?
Can I vent with a MAFT?
What MAF can I use?
Can I use a 2g MAFT with a 1g?
Can I use a 1g MAFT with a 2g?

Sorry guys !but am not really sure about this one.What does the MAFT really do and is it a good buy?thanks

 

[11scndtalon]

the new setup will provide quicker spool up due to the larger size. but you also have to by the translator. this allows you to more finely toon your ride. over all its a good setup, but i would say its more for cool points

 

[jott5555]

they maft allows you to flow a lot more air through the maf.. so it will give you a little faster spool up time. not to mention you can do some mediocur tuneing with the translator.. so

 

[GSXlaunch]

Wow, it almost seems it might not be worth it. I already have an SAFC so tuning is taken care of. As for spool up; I dont have an issue with that now. So I am leaning against it now. Thanks fellas.

 

[jott5555]

well dont look at it from that perspective..
the stock 1g mas will flow something like 200 cfm.. im sure a 2g dosent flow much more.. compared to the gm mas which flows over 500 cfm.. now remeber im just pulling these figures form memory and they are not exact..but haveing the mas in the air intake before the turbo is causeing the intake system to bottle kneck.

haveing the mas setup after the turbo helps wiht a lot of things.. it limits the effect boost leaks will have on the system also i dont know if you are running stock ic pipes or not but the metal uicp w/ the maf is going to help decrese spool time..

its one of the better investments ive made..and its automatically compinsates for larger fuel injectors so you can gain more tuneing power from your safc2..

 

[11scndtalon]

ya the translators main purpose is converting the maf over so ur car thinks its the right one for the car since they are both on the kar setup, anyways, rediverting ur air sucks

 

[karbon]

this allows you to more finely toon your ride.

Nope. The TUNING you'll get is ballpark. Since you have an AFC it'll still allow you to tune as normal though. You'll find no added tuning "resolution" by adding this on. It'll help spool bigger turbos faster, and running in a blow-through setup will allow you to vent your BOV (not worth the ~$600 for the system if this is a serious consideration) plus eliminating a whole bunch of piping to lose metered air to in the event of a boost leak.

Edit: I forgot to add that it adds a whole bunch of induction noise.

I wish I knew the karmann count from the stock MAS at 27PSI, but I can't imagine that it's overrunning the stock MAS at that point. Can anyone chime in on this?

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

Nope. The TUNING you'll get is ballpark. Since you have an AFC it'll still allow you to tune as normal though. You'll find no added tuning "resolution" by adding this on. It'll help spool bigger turbos faster, and running in a blow-through setup will allow you to vent your BOV (not worth the ~$600 for the system if this is a serious consideration) plus eliminating a whole bunch of piping to lose metered air to in the event of a boost leak.

Edit: I forgot to add that it adds a whole bunch of induction noise.

I wish I knew the karmann count from the stock MAS at 27PSI, but I can't imagine that it's overrunning the stock MAS at that point. Can anyone chime in on this?

it costs 600 dollars for the setup?? what happened to the 200 it cost when i did blowthrough

 

[jott5555]

i was going to say 200 for the translator, 50 for the gm maf, and i made my own uicp for the maf, which i have for sale for 50 bucks right now.. and its flanged for a 1g bov..

anyway..

 

[karbon]

Here's what happened to it:
MAF TRANSLATOR FOR 1G ECLIPSE: -$199.99
3" GM MAF -$129.99 (we can also assume about $45 if you're lucky enough to find one on eBay, just for kicks)
CIP-1gQ 3" VPC intake pipe- $90
K&N 3" Air Filter -$45
2 1/2" BLOW THRU Upper Inter-Cooler Pipe -$199

Grand total with new MAF: $649.99
Grand total with eBay MAF: $619.97

School would be easier if we all did our homework.
On the other hand, if you find a full blow-through setup with MAF and translator for less than that, congratulations.

 

[brryder]

Here's what happened to it:
MAF TRANSLATOR FOR 1G ECLIPSE: -$199.99
3" GM MAF -$129.99 (we can also assume about $45 if you're lucky enough to find one on eBay, just for kicks)
CIP-1gQ 3" VPC intake pipe- $90
K&N 3" Air Filter -$45
2 1/2" BLOW THRU Upper Inter-Cooler Pipe -$199

Grand total with new MAF: $649.99
Grand total with eBay MAF: $619.97

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If you have a bigger turbo, you will need a new intake pipe anyways..
You dont neet new i/c pipes, just cut you existing pipe and get 2 silicone reducers (2.5 to 3 inches)

You have to be creative some times..

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

If you have a bigger turbo, you will need a new intake pipe anyways..
You dont neet new i/c pipes, just cut you existing pipe and get 2 silicone reducers (2.5 to 3 inches)

You have to be creative some times..

translator - $199
MAF - $50
full piping from turbo to throttle body elbow with blowthrough - $28 from summit
flat black from walmart - $.98

 

[GSXlaunch]

So what do you think...will I gain any "seat of the pants feel" by updrading to the gm maft at this point? Thing is, I have an opportunity to trade for the whole set up; GM MAFT and translator. (I am trading some used AGX shocks) So I am not really spending any money on it. Thanks for all the responses...but so far, the gains seem to be minimal.

 

[karbon]

The gains will be very minimal.
I found my piping on trader for pretty cheap.
As for hacking the stock intake pipes...it'd be a good idea if you don't mind the stock TB elbow, but with $10 to get a weld job done, a mendrel bend from JCWhitney or Summit, and a dremel, you could have a better one. Good way to save some cash!

 

[4sfead]

I think the MAFT works great even without an AFC, I have had mine for over a year and Never had a problem. You will notice the spool up time with a blow thru setup and will probaby net you better times at the track. It did for me.

 

[Generation1JeY]

karbon ur really making this whole thing seem more complicated then it really is. There is no downside to getting a gm sensor, sure its a little bit of money, but if u do good research u can find used parts for a lot cheaper than 200$ for a translator. Its not even hard at all to install, just reducers and some ic pipe cutting. Not just that, but is anyone else just straight annoyed by the 1g mas? the thing is frickin ginormous! its so big that part of my uicp sticks up and bangs on my hood when i close it. Upgrade to a gm sensor, and u dont have to have that giant intake system anymore, u can just go get some metal piping and make ur own ram air intake system and route it anywhere u want, u dont even need a damn intake just put mesh over the turbo inlet and ur rdy to go. I plan on getting a gm sensor when i get a little bit more money and i'm certain that it will be a decent upgrade for my car, not only performance wise, but will make my engine look cleaner and make random people stop commenting on how big my ####in filter is .

 

[TurboDSM86]

www.dsmtrader.com is your friend. i picked up my 3" maf and translator w/silicone adaptors/clamps for a whopping total of 250 shipped to my door. i cant give any insight on how it works due to my car in storage/broke in multiple ways. look around and you wont be spending anything near 600 bucks....

 

[teme]

Question related to GM mafs, does engine still work 100% okay, even when ecu doesn't get real figures from the two missing sensors that are in the stock mafs(air temperature / barometric pressure). What kind of values does maft give to ecu ?
Especially here the temperature changes alot, at winter can be -30 celsius and at summer +40 celsius, gm mafs + maft still works great ?

 

[4sfead]

The Translator works fine in all climates. If you have a datalogger and happen to mount the Translator in the car then you have immediate adjustment of the fuel. The Translator is very user friendly and easy to use. You MUST have a scantool(datalogger) to use it effectively.

Dont worry about the fixed temp and baro. Watch your logger tune your fuel trims close to 100 on a 1g or 0 on a 2g and tune for knock at WOT.

Done!

 

[11scndtalon]

okay when i said the translator more finely TUNES ur car, i thought we all new that u need a logger for more precise tuning, sorry i wont think ahead next time. but together with the safc its a nice set up

 

[teme]

The Translator works fine in all climates. If you have a datalogger and happen to mount the Translator in the car then you have immediate adjustment of the fuel. The Translator is very user friendly and easy to use. You MUST have a scantool(datalogger) to use it effectively.

Dont worry about the fixed temp and baro. Watch your logger tune your fuel trims close to 100 on a 1g or 0 on a 2g and tune for knock at WOT.

Done!

So i can drive with same setup winter and summer?
Or will i have to adjust maft during different kinds of weather ?

 

[4sfead]

So i can drive with same setup winter and summer?
Or will i have to adjust maft during different kinds of weather ?

There will be minimal adjustments that will probaby have to be made. The Base and WOT knobs might have to be changed a click or two. Nothing extreme at all.

Anyone who is thinking of getting one will not be dissapointed. In my opinion

 

[GSXlaunch]

I done some more reading and it seems the GM maft is better used with engines making above 500hp and large turbos. I am not sure how accurate that is. The 2G mass I upgraded to is more then likely able to support my horse power/1/4 mile requirements. Once I nail down a 12 sec run and decide to shoot for 11's, the GM mass will be my next mod.

On a side note: ebay has the translators for 199 and the maft for about 30-50 bucks.

 

[4sfead]

Out of all the people that have them, thousands, not too many people are making over 500HP.

if your not familiar with it, there is a support forum just for this product with the designers/owners contributing daily to peoples questions.

http://www.fullthrottletech.com/forums/index.php

 

[mikes94blacktsi]

hey wats up im new to the dsm world and ive been hearing alot about maft wat is is i know wat a maf is but wat is the translator for if someone could tell me thanks

 

[paranoidTSi]

The translator allows you to use a GM mass airflow sensor...the translator is what makes the ECU "understand" the GM MAS so it can measure the air flow correctly..without it your car will most likely run like ass. Unplug your current airflow sensor, run your car..and thats how the GM mass airflow sensor would work without the translator.