Baer big brakes

[jcdsm032]

I am looking to upgrade my brakes... I was looking at the 13" Baer kit... just the front rotors...I only have the stock single piston calipers now. I was wondering if you guys had any feedback on that... I am on a budget.... but will spend more for quality... wondering what would be more beneficial. I want GOOD brakes because I am gonna be pushing around 400-500 hp daily driven... so I am kinda leaning towards the baer kit and nice rotors in the rear...also I would do stainless lines... my pedal feels mushy... definately NEED some sort of an upgrade

here check out my setup... I am thinking the Baer setup... I would rather save and have GOOD brakes... My DSM

 

[PaulPDX]

hopupracing.com, cheaper than your stated price. Do a search as well, plenty of information on the kit in recent threads.

 

[ShyBoyRico]

I've had the kit for about 6 months now, and they are awesome. It will put you through the windshield if your not careful.Way better than the stock two piston calipers.The rotors are a bit heavy but if your putting down good power you wont notice any HP loss.For the money they are the best kit out there in my opinion.

 

[Spartan302]

If you're on a budget i would just get some new rotors and pads. You could also get ss brake lines for 350-400 cheaper than than the baer kit. I'm not in anyway saying the baer kit isn't any good. If your car is just a street car that would be a good bang for the buck (especially on a budget). I saw dsmparts sells a brembo kit for like 348. For now that is what i would do. But thats just my opinion.

Keith

 

[PaulPDX]

Personally, if a simple rotor and pad kit costs as much as $340, I'd gladly spend more for the Baer kit. The increase in braking is well worth the cost difference.

Braking performance can't really be improved without increasing the rotor size (more leverage = more braking power). I see rotor upgrades as stock replacement maintenance, not upgrade.

You have to ride and drive in a car with big brakes to know what I mean. The difference is more than significant.

 

[Spartan302]

Well if money isn't an issue i would go with the baer kit also. But he said he is on a budget. Atleast this way you can get new rotors and pads all the way around instead of just the fronts and still be 400 less.

I'm not saying at all that this rotor kit will outperform the baer kit. But it is an upgrade from the stock setup and is a little more cost-effective for those on a budget.

Keith

 

[dewdew]

You can always go with an AEM big rotor kit and put in some regular pads. $500 from machv

 

[PaulPDX]

I'd rather save the $500 and put it towards a Baer Track kit for less than $150 more.

 

[neuralracing]

Does that Baer kit include the SS lines? What would you recomend I do for the back?

 

[PaulPDX]

I beleive it comes with lines for the front but not the rear. You'd have to buy a set of lines and then sell the extra front lines in the classifieds or on dsmtrader. Someone will buy them.

You also have another great option for brakes... TCE (tceperformanceproducts.com). The owner, Todd, is on here and is very helpful. His kits cost more than the Baer Track, but less than some of the other more expensive kits like Stoptech. I think the cost difference and support is well worth it. Todd is also running a special right now tossing in an additional set of brake pads for free. He also offers a lot of options, including upgrades for the rear.

Although, having driven a 2G with the Baers, they're pretty good and are probably the best bang for the buck. Not sure about performance comparisons (stops damn quick for sure), heavier than others, and probably harder to fit wheels to. The calipers are taller compared to the others (die cast rather than CNC or forged) and are dual piston rather than 4 or 6.

 

[neuralracing]

Whats the best bang for your buck in terms of a 4 piston kit and one that upgrades the back as well. My rotors are shot as well as my pads... so I might as well do all 4 at once. My car is 80% track and 20% joyrides on the street...

 

[PaulPDX]

TCE. Hands down.

For the price of front + rear, you can only get a front only Stoptech. Plus the free brake pads, that's a hard deal to beat.

The only thing I'm not sure about are the Willwood calipers. They don't have dust seals and may require a little maintenance. I've heard both arguements for and against dust seals... haven't heard any definitive answer on it. Been wanting to ask Todd himself but since my plans for getting brakes are on hold for better days, I haven't gotten around to asking him.

Drop him a line maybe he'll chime in.

Oh yeah... I think Todd's rotors cost less than Stoptech or Baer and are probably just as good if not better. Another good thing to consider because further down the road, you don't want to get ding'ed too bad when it comes time to replace the rotors for your big brake kit.

 

[nolimitmotors]

You can always go with an AEM big rotor kit and put in some regular pads. $500 from machv

i sell teh same kit at nolimitmotorsport.com for 457$ shipped

 

[jcdsm032]

doesnt the AEM kit use stock calipers? Thats not what I want... my single piston calipers just do not have the stopping power I want :thumbdown ... especially with the horsepower my car is going to be putting out... I want 12-13" rotors with at least dual piston calipers... just on a budget here unfortunately... thanks

 

[PaulPDX]

It's not really the size of the caliper that gives you braking power. It's distance of the caliper to the center of the hub (leverage) and the piston area. There have been a few post install write-ups on the AEM kit. Search should turn up a few. My 2 cents is that there's no replacement for the real thing... as usual.

 

[nolimitmotors]

i wasnt saying that anyone should go with the big rotor kit over anything else, i was just saying i sell it for 45$ cheaper then machv. i'll be ordering the baer kit very soon myself.

 

[neuralracing]

What is the biggest Rotor Size that will clear stock wheels considering dual piston calipers?

 

[PaulPDX]

What is the biggest Rotor Size that will clear stock wheels considering dual piston calipers?

Dual piston calipers by whom?

What you're trying to do is a waste of money and you won't see enough of a gain in braking to matter. Save up and do it right.

If you don't want to spend the $ for a real big brake set up, just get better stock replacement pads and rotors. Tire compound make a big difference in braking too.

 

[neuralracing]

What do you consider a real upgrade? Money is not an issue for me but keeping stock wheels are as I live in San Juan, Puerto Rico and given the area I do not feel comfortable putting nice big 17" wheels on my car that catch they eye of a theif. On top of that I like the way the car looks with OEM Wheels. SO my question still is... what is the best setup I can get that will allow me to keep my stock wheels.

 

[PaulPDX]

Not meant to offend... but it seems like you're asking the same question until you hear what you want to hear.

What I would consider to be a "real" upgrade has already been discussed... (ex: Stoptech, TCE, Rotora, Baer, KVR, AP etc.).

If you don't want to spend the $ for 17s, then upgrade to aftermarket replacement slotted rotors and pads... check the various DSM vendor sites on your options. Stickier tires will also increase your braking peformance.

Or, you can contact Todd (TCE Todd) at tceperformanceproducts.com to see if he can make you a set of brakes with Willwood calipers and rotors to fit the stock rims.

Without increasing the rotor to 12" or 13", the performance gain vs cost factor makes it a real waste of money. You'll just end up wanting more in the end and end up with big brakes and spend more in the end as opposed to doing it right once.
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[nolimitmotors]

anyone know how bad it will be if i have baer in the front and stocks in the back?

 

[PaulPDX]

anyone know how bad it will be if i have baer in the front and stocks in the back?

Why would it be bad? and what's "it"?

 

[gsxstac]

it being the difference in breaking

 

[PaulPDX]

How can the increase in braking be bad considering the stock brakes are just so-so?

Most of the braking is done with the front brakes, whether the rear remains stock or not really doesn't have much bearing on the difference in braking. When braking weight of the car shifts forward.

The Baer's are suppose to work with the stock rears as with most big brake kits.

Aside from TCE, I am unaware of any manufacturer that makes a rear kit for the DSMs.

 

[gsxstac]

i ddint say it was gonna be bad, just asking whether or not i'd have any issues with the front being so good and the rear being so horrible, i know teh fronts do 90% of the braking as it is.