Auto vs Stick

[edgar7654]

how much faster is stick vs auto in a gst...
ive only driven standard this would be my first automatic
thank you and god bless you

 

[rEclipserGST]

So no one throw up the whole auto's are good for drag...

Sir, it kind of sounds like you are talking out your ass . But I am just guessing

I have an auto gst. Check my mods. NO TRANNY UPGRADES YET. I recently lost my overdrive ability, i heard its the end clutch. Anyway, I MASH on honda kids all day long. They are sticks. So what?! TURBO sir, that's what. It makes a hell of a difference. Yeah I get off the line hella slow if I do not brake boost, but if you know how to drive a turbo auto, you can destroy a ton of junk on the streets.

Pull up next to me & rev your engine while sitting in neutral & see what happens.

 

[HareyCarey]

is this really a question? if you are a true car enthusiast then you would go manual. Hence why the ZR1 and the Z06 only come in manuals.

Also auto's are boring to drive. It makes me want to check facebook, drink coke, eat a cheeseburger, and talk on the phone all while staying in the rumble strips with the pedal to the floor.

I have a close friend of mine that runs mid 7's in the quarter on a manual.

So no one throw up the whole auto's are good for drag...

Hate to burst your bubble but most drag cars use auto transmissions, especially in local bracket racing. They use a reverse synchronizer and a stall converter...have been for some time now...Awesome for whoever runs sub 10s with a manual, they are very talented drivers and deserve the respect BUT not everyone is that coordinated and not everyone has the option of a manual. Auto transmissions deserve the respect of all enthusiasts, they have accomplished a lot if you'd read what some of these guys have posted and their accomplishments you would understand that. A manual is more fun TO ME, but you won't hear me ragging autos like that, it's just plain rude and unnecessary.

 

[rock1t]

Sir, it kind of sounds like you are talking out your ass . But I am just guessing

I have an auto gst. Check my mods. NO TRANNY UPGRADES YET. I recently lost my overdrive ability, i heard its the end clutch. Anyway, I MASH on honda kids all day long. They are sticks. So what?! TURBO sir, that's what. It makes a hell of a difference. Yeah I get off the line hella slow if I do not brake boost, but if you know how to drive a turbo auto, you can destroy a ton of junk on the streets.

Pull up next to me & rev your engine while sitting in neutral & see what happens.

I wouldn't rev on you, and i would own you off the line. And I'm pretty sure, i didn't build my car to race honda's. That's like the special olympics there.

Hate to burst your bubble but most drag cars use auto transmissions, especially in local bracket racing. They use a reverse synchronizer and a stall converter...have been for some time now...Awesome for whoever runs sub 10s with a manual, they are very talented drivers and deserve the respect BUT not everyone is that coordinated and not everyone has the option of a manual. Auto transmissions deserve the respect of all enthusiasts, they have accomplished a lot if you'd read what some of these guys have posted and their accomplishments you would understand that. A manual is more fun TO ME, but you won't hear me ragging autos like that, it's just plain rude and unnecessary.

That's the problem. Drag racing should be fun, there shouldn't be bracket racing, it should all be heads up. Also, if you can't shift fast enough in a straight line, then you shouldn't be driving.

Auto's are like the training wheels on bikes.

I know that most 'racers' use auto's, because they are incompetent at driving in a straight line for a 1/8th or a 1/4.

When I watch a speed shop owner run 7.50s in a manual and stay consistent, then that means there should be no need to run an automatic.

Honestly, how hard is it to drive in a straight line down a track?

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

Auto=more consistent and in the end will be faster, well after a certain point.
Manual=FUNNER!!!

 

[ramsack]

i have a manual car and i am actually getting sick of it. i've owned 6 cars, and only one automatic, learned to drive on manual as well. my dsm has the stock clutch and it's just tiring for traffic, which i deal with for a good half hour twice daily for work. i really miss my automatic dsm.

 

[bigf4]

The dsm M/T is good to about 800hp built. after that hp you will need a dog box or A/T TRAN.

A built A/T will outlast the dsm M/T (even with a trans cooler)

Now thats talking about a high hp car

for a daily driven 400 - 600hp car M/T(shep stage3- 4) all day i would say

 

[rock1t]

The dsm M/T is good to about 800hp built. after that hp you will need a dog box or A/T TRAN.

A built A/T will outlast the dsm M/T (even with a trans cooler)

Now thats talking about a high hp car

for a daily driven 400 - 600hp car M/T(shep stage3- 4) all day i would say

yeah, so that's why my shep stage 3 tranny grinds.

What you need to say is....

DSM's are notorious for transmission problems. There are a lot of guys and gals that have spent a lot of money building them with reputable shops (like me), but (here is the kicker), it's not how much power its good for, it is how long will it last.

I know my next transmission will be a stock rebuild, because I cannot afford another 3k for a built tranny and after a few hard launches I am having a problem.

A lot of the guys and gals on here are switching over the the auto's because they are having less breakage. I will never give up on the driving experience. And dogboxs are not exactly auto's.

Once you go stick, you know youve made the right pick!

this is great.

 

[HadesOmega]

If you know how to drive stick and drive stick well, like learning to double clutch and heel and toe I would get the stick. The only drawback is sitting in traffic I guess. But its more fun, more power, and better gas mileage. I guess you need to replace clutches but thats not so bad its probably cheaper than fixing an automatic tranny when it takes a dookie.

I don't know what's up with America we're like the only country that doesn't drive manuals every other country there's a manual for everything. When I was in Iraq everything was manual even buses, the British Army's Land Rovers were manual. Even our military doesn't use manuals anymore... Boooo

That's like yeah I'm going to buy an automatic sports car. Like an automatic Ferrari or Porsche, its a joke...

At least for the NT 2Gs the automatics is ballz slower than than the manual ones. Depends on the car I guess, the NVT-350 in the NTs is an awesome tranny the clutch and shifting are smoother than the turbo. Never driven an automatic turbo.

Another thing I like about the manual is that you feel connected to your car you can control your revs better you feel the clutch engaging and connecting the engine to the drivetrain. With the automatic you lose that. When you want something to happen you can do it fast. Same thing with manual steering you feel the car better with certain powersteering you don't get any feedback.

 

[TSimage]

I wouldn't rev on you, and i would own you off the line. And I'm pretty sure, i didn't build my car to race honda's. That's like the special olympics there.



That's the problem. Drag racing should be fun, there shouldn't be bracket racing, it should all be heads up. Also, if you can't shift fast enough in a straight line, then you shouldn't be driving.

Auto's are like the training wheels on bikes.

I know that most 'racers' use auto's, because they are incompetent at driving in a straight line for a 1/8th or a 1/4.

When I watch a speed shop owner run 7.50s in a manual and stay consistent, then that means there should be no need to run an automatic.

Honestly, how hard is it to drive in a straight line down a track?

Can someone PLEASE neg rep this troll??

Does this moron realize that the fastest DSMs are not only Auto but the DSMs with the lowest and most consistent 60ft times are also Auto? Can anyone tell this moron what "break boosting" is? Its nothing to build 25-35psi OFF THE LINE on an Auto and not once drop bellow 35 if you are boosting to 40. It shifts so fast the BOV never goes off and the turbo never stops spooling. I shift my auto just like I shifted my Dog box, no difference except for smoothness and speed.

You obviously aren't qualified to answer this question so please go sit in the corner while us grown folk talk..

 

[HadesOmega]

It shifts so fast the BOV never goes off and the turbo never stops spooling.

Bwahaha I wonder why the BOV doesn't go off, maybe because your not closing the throttle shift.

 

[TSimage]

Bwahaha I wonder why the BOV doesn't go off, maybe because your not closing the throttle shift.

Que?.. "Not closing the throttle shift." Where did you pull that from?

 

[DWR-DSM]

is this really a question? if you are a true car enthusiast then you would go manual. Hence why the ZR1 and the Z06 only come in manuals.

Also auto's are boring to drive. It makes me want to check facebook, drink coke, eat a cheeseburger, and talk on the phone all while staying in the rumble strips with the pedal to the floor.

I have a close friend of mine that runs mid 7's in the quarter on a manual.

So no one throw up the whole auto's are good for drag...

I wouldnt listen to this guy at all

 

[HareyCarey]

I wouldnt listen to this guy at all

Hopefully, no one is. Autos are great for drag and great in traffic, but if you like the wild side then they may not be for you. To each their own, in this case.

 

[ramsack]

That's like yeah I'm going to buy an automatic sports car. Like an automatic Ferrari or Porsche, its a joke...

those cars do not have automatic transmissoins. they have automated gearboxes. cars like that also let you do a manual shift, while they most likely take care of the clutch. it's still shifting, and the clutch is the part that makes manuals so slow, so you have the driving experience with the quickness. go and tell an f1 driver they don't have "the driving experience" because they use paddle shifters. i don't get this "driving experience" crap because shifting is not 100% of driving. also, that power steering comment...get into road racing, you'll see you may NEED power steering. everything with power steering is still rack and pinion, so i wouldn't see how it would disable you from feeling the road.

 

[rock1t]

Can someone PLEASE neg rep this troll??

Does this moron realize that the fastest DSMs are not only Auto but the DSMs with the lowest and most consistent 60ft times are also Auto? Can anyone tell this moron what "break boosting" is? Its nothing to build 25-35psi OFF THE LINE on an Auto and not once drop bellow 35 if you are boosting to 40. It shifts so fast the BOV never goes off and the turbo never stops spooling. I shift my auto just like I shifted my Dog box, no difference except for smoothness and speed.

You obviously aren't qualified to answer this question so please go sit in the corner while us grown folk talk..

I would hate to break my boost. But you can brake boost a manual. It's called two step. I have 26lbs when i launch. Guess you didn't know manuals can do that.

Just because some of the fastest DSM's are auto's doesn't mean a thing. If you get a talented driver, then there is no problem with a manual.

Also you can use a no lift to shift feature for manuals.

 

[1fastlaser]

I like this post .

Manuals more fun to drive definatly...but have you ever driven a 600+hp car on a street tire, twin disk in traffic

Your buddy goes mid 7s in a manual car....its not a dsm thats for sure, because it wouldnt be on the stock trans. I bet its a dogbox, pro shifted, or face plated trans that HOLDS torque.

Im currently going into a auto car with my setup. My next step is a ppg gear box, or maybe going nuts and getting the stock trans gears faceplated, but all in all Im sure Ill sheer off another 3rd or 4th gear, and destroy 1500 dollars worth of parts again.

Not saying the auto will not break, but the pros over weigh the cons at this point.

Auto with a slap shifter thats just like a dogbox with a sequential shifter.

No more street driving the car getting stuck in traffic and wanting to kill myself.

Consistant, and personally I think my car is more of a race car now with its street manors, when I go auto it will change back to a street car, but be faster .

After a playful night in the dsm, the evo feels like a cadillac. I love driving the evo, and thats what makes the dsm feel like a full blown race car.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Some of you guys.....


Look, there are tons of pros and cons to each and it can be argued all day long. Autos are generally cheaper to make go fast and Manuals are more fun to drive... at times.

Me, I love my auto. After my TSI and my two other vehicles being manual, I was glad to give the Auto a try. From my experience, the Auto just goes. Pre-loading the drivetrain is awesome. No broken axles, diffs, and once you leave the line, the car just hauls. No squatting between shifts, no having to granny shift because your transmission can't handle it, no having to manhandle the 2900lb pressure plate in traffic.

Auto FTW, IMO! but thats the thing, Its MY OPINION

 

[mac 108]

What it really boils down to is: What do you want to do with the car? The purpose of the car should determine which transmission it needs. Both manual and auto cars can be made fast, but they both have their own pros and cons. Neither one is simply better than the other; it all depends on application.

I currently have two auto AWD cars and I have also owned an auto GST and an AWD 5 speed car. I prefer driving a stick.

 

[donniekak]

I wouldn't rev on you, and i would own you off the line. And I'm pretty sure, i didn't build my car to race honda's. That's like the special olympics there.



That's the problem. Drag racing should be fun, there shouldn't be bracket racing, it should all be heads up. Also, if you can't shift fast enough in a straight line, then you shouldn't be driving.

Auto's are like the training wheels on bikes.

I know that most 'racers' use auto's, because they are incompetent at driving in a straight line for a 1/8th or a 1/4.

When I watch a speed shop owner run 7.50s in a manual and stay consistent, then that means there should be no need to run an automatic.

Honestly, how hard is it to drive in a straight line down a track?

Make some real power, break 5-10 manuals, and your thoughts may change.

Anything over 450 ft/lbs on a dsm manual trans, and you are on borrowed time. I broke 2 transmissions in the same week on my hx40 gvr4, which prompted me to sell the car. Auto's are a stronger gearset by design.

Shep ran a manual, because he want's people to buy them.

The next group of fast dsm's have a large group running auto's. Nice to be able to focus on your tune, instead of swapping driveline parts from a manual launch.

 

[Bluedragondsm]

Its pretty funny watching the people in here argue, who cares pick whatever you prefer driving. When you start putting down 500+whp then you can worry about your tranny and what might give you a slight edge.

 

[rock1t]

Make some real power, break 5-10 manuals, and your thoughts may change.

Anything over 450 ft/lbs on a dsm manual trans, and you are on borrowed time. I broke 2 transmissions in the same week on my hx40 gvr4, which prompted me to sell the car. Auto's are a stronger gearset by design.

Shep ran a manual, because he want's people to buy them.

The next group of fast dsm's have a large group running auto's. Nice to be able to focus on your tune, instead of swapping driveline parts from a manual launch.

I have broken many transmissions. Grenaded one at the track, destroyed multiple center diff's at the track. Then I learned how to launch at the track.

You can have crazy power on manual's. You can't dump the clutch, that's where tranny's break and drive trains get destroyed.

Driver error is the key to failure.

 

[nek]

I have broken many transmissions. Grenaded one at the track, destroyed multiple center diff's at the track. Then I learned how to launch at the track.

You can have crazy power on manual's. You can't dump the clutch, that's where tranny's break and drive trains get destroyed.

Driver error is the key to failure.

This guy is the Chuck Norris of manuals.

 

[AK Maniak]

This guy is the Chuck Norris of manuals.

Hahaha so true. Its nice to know that every single broken manual tranny is from driver error though. Guess you do learn something new everyday

 

[95GreenGSX]

I have broken many transmissions. Grenaded one at the track, destroyed multiple center diff's at the track. Then I learned how to launch at the track.
You can have crazy power on manual's. You can't dump the clutch, that's where tranny's break and drive trains get destroyed.
Driver error is the key to failure.

Apparently you have a crap load of driver error.....
Per Profile:
Drivetrain Modifications:
Shep Trans Stage 3 (now grinding)

Gotta love a grinding "Shep Trans Stage 3".



Anyways, back on topic. I love my auto. Ive had 4 DSMs before all 5spd. Do I miss them sometimes, yes. Would I buy another 5spd, no.

 

[Spades]

Honestly, how hard is it to drive in a straight line down a track?

You havent driven high HP yet