420A anything to better my engine

[eclipse718]

Oh i understand now..so is it bad to buy jdm parts for my dsm?

I can put an intercooler in my car with no turbo?

 

[rlacasse1]

You can't buy JDM parts for your car. It's not Japanese.

Well, I guess you could, but it's not like the would be DSM specific JDM parts.

Yes you can put an intercooler on it. But it will look ### and serve no purpose.

 

[Dhan]

Oh i understand now..so is it bad to buy jdm parts for my dsm?

I can put an intercooler in my car with no turbo?

They just finished explaining to you that there are no JDM parts available for DSMs.

There would be no point in installing an intercooler in a car that has no turbocharger. You obviously don't even know what an intercooler does, so why would you want to install one?

 

[clownface]

An exhaust is an exhaust.

So as long as its a decent size pipe, it shouldnt matter what brand it is.

Meh, this isn't very good advice really. An Exhaust can rust, have shitty welding and it might not be mandrel bent(smooth bends)

 

[SpawnedX]

An intercooler on a non-boosted car would be a "true"cold air intake minus the concerns, uselessly as they may be, of hydro-locking. It would not hurt the car in anyway, and dare I say it, may even help performance some. It wouldn't really look bad, or ricey in my opinion, people who don't understand cars would say something, the rest of us wouldn't really care.

 

[rlacasse1]

But the money spent on an intercooler for a non-turbo car could definitely be spent better elsewhere.

Which kind of makes it a not good idea.

 

[clownface]

An intercooler on a non-boosted car would be a "true"cold air intake minus the concerns, uselessly as they may be, of hydro-locking. It would not hurt the car in anyway, and dare I say it, may even help performance some. It wouldn't really look bad, or ricey in my opinion, people who don't understand cars would say something, the rest of us wouldn't really care.

I have never heard of this. I don't see how a traditional intercooler would make any difference with hydrolocking. I've also never heard of an intercooler being of any use on a non-boosted vehicle. Can someone fill me in?

 

[SpawnedX]

I have never heard of this. I don't see how a traditional intercooler would make any difference with hydrolocking.

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You don't have to put the filter near the ground to get the cooling benefits.

 

[eclipse718]

Well if it serves no purpose then theres no point ..so i should just stay away from jdm

 

[rlacasse1]

Stay away from JDM.

Also in the upper left hand corner of the site you will see a TECH tab. Under it there are upgrade paths. Find the path for your car. It will take you through the basic upgrades for your car. Since you don't seem to be really familiar with upgrading cars it should help you out immensely.

 

[eclipse718]

I agree with no turbo then no intercooler

 

[clownface]

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You don't have to put the filter near the ground to get the cooling benefits.

Are we talking air-air intercooler, or something else?

 

[SpawnedX]

I agree with no turbo then no intercooler

No one is saying you should do it. However, if allowed to run rampant, people will start making an intercooler sound like something it isn't. Turbo or not, air travels through it all the same and makes contact with the fins to transfer heat out. Since the filter can be located safely in the bay, the intercooler will bring the air temps back down to what you would normally see from a CAI. Price to efficiency isn't worth it, but in theory it would work best.

 

[clownface]

No one is saying you should do it. However, if allowed to run rampant, people will start making an intercooler sound like something it isn't. Turbo or not, air travels through it all the same and makes contact with the fins to transfer heat out. Since the filter can be located safely in the bay, the intercooler will bring the air temps back down to what you would normally see from a CAI. Price to efficiency isn't worth it, but in theory it would work best.

I think you have an interesting theory there with the intercooler thing, but i really don't think an intercooler on a NA would make any difference in practice. Mostly because they're not 100% efficient in dropping intake temps back down to ambient. I doubt it would do squat to lower the air from underhood intake temps. Just seems like it would make the intake length super long and maybe even restrict the airflow some. I dunno, I've never heard of it before.

 

[SpawnedX]

I think you have an interesting theory there with the intercooler thing, but i really don't think an intercooler on a NA would make any difference in practice. Mostly because they're not 100% efficient in dropping intake temps back down to ambient. I doubt it would do squat to lower the air from underhood intake temps. Just seems like it would make the intake length super long and maybe even restrict the airflow some. I dunno, I've never heard of it before.

Well I can assure you it's not a theory. Boredom gets the best of me and my buddy sometimes and we put my old PR intercooler on his 420A with no turbo to mock up the routing he would be doing for his new turbo setup, we hooked up my IAT gauge and sensor and recorded the temperatures, then recorded them again on his "CAI" the numbers were about the same, slightly higher on the intercooler because we mocked up the filter for it's turbo location.

As far as restrictions, the only restriction is the filter.

 

[clownface]

Well I can assure you it's not a theory. Boredom gets the best of me and my buddy sometimes and we put my old PR intercooler on his 420A with no turbo to mock up the routing he would be doing for his new turbo setup, we hooked up my IAT gauge and sensor and recorded the temperatures, then recorded them again on his "CAI" the numbers were about the same, slightly higher on the intercooler because we mocked up the filter for it's turbo location.

As far as restrictions, the only restriction is the filter.

Eh, i dunno, they were probably slightly higher on the intercooler setup because the under hood intake temperatures where slightly higher than the CAI intake temperatures. That makes more sense to me. I doubt that the intercooler took a much higher under hood air temperature and dropped it back down to slightly over the CAI temperature, if that's what you're thinking.

 

[SpawnedX]

That's basically the same thing I just said. We had the filter sitting right next to the exhaust manifold because that is where the outlet pipe from the turbo to the intercooler will go. If we did it just to do it, we would locate the pipe over towards the fender or something, which would have created equal or slightly cooler temperatures to the CAI in my opinion.

 

[clownface]

That's basically the same thing I just said. We had the filter sitting right next to the exhaust manifold because that is where the outlet pipe from the turbo to the intercooler will go. If we did it just to do it, we would locate the pipe over towards the fender or something, which would have created equal or slightly cooler temperatures to the CAI in my opinion.

And just how would they have became slightly cooler???

The air inlet temperatures from near the manifold aren't that much greater than with a CAI setup, anyhow. That's the reason you recorded slight higher temps with the intercooler setup, not because the intercooler actually worked.

What you should do is find a way to record the temperature pre and post intercooler, then you would be onto something

 

[Mike02rt]

To the OP:
1. Jeep TB Conversion for 2gnt

A very detailed write up: 2GNT.com - 60mm_Jeep_Throttle_Body

2. unorthodox pulley 420a (Crank Pulley)

Used a similar pulley on my 02 Neon R/T and it revs a bit faster

 

[SpawnedX]

And just how would they have became slightly cooler???

The air inlet temperatures from near the manifold aren't that much greater than with a CAI setup, anyhow. That's the reason you recorded slight higher temps with the intercooler setup, not because the intercooler actually worked.

What you should do is find a way to record the temperature pre and post intercooler, then you would be onto something

I don't think you understand, the filter, if any closer, would be sitting on the exhaust manifold, the temperature of the air being pulled in was significantly warmer there. I am talking maybe 1° to 2° differences here, as is, moving the filter away from a heat source would account for that if not more.

 

[clownface]

I don't think you understand, the filter, if any closer, would be sitting on the exhaust manifold, the temperature of the air being pulled in was significantly warmer there. I am talking maybe 1° to 2° differences here, as is, moving the filter away from a heat source would account for that if not more.

I understand. And again, intercoolers aren't 100% efficient. They don't bring intake temperatures back down to ambient. They can't even get air back down to underhood air heat levels. The point of a intercooler is bring the temperature of the super-heated compressed air from a turbo down some.
When the car is at speed, the air in that area could very well only be a couple more degrees higher than air outside the hood.

 

[SpawnedX]

I understand. And again, intercoolers aren't 100% efficient. They don't bring intake temperatures back down to ambient. When the car is at speed, the air in that area could very well only be a couple more degrees higher than air outside the hood.

I'm not comparing to ambient temperatures, just temperature to temperature on the same day in the same environment. I am saying that the intercooler would probably work just as well if not a little better at what temperatures the air getting to the engine is at.

You will never get any system that brings it back to the same temperatures as ambient air.

 

[clownface]

I'm not comparing to ambient temperatures, just temperature to temperature on the same day in the same environment. I am saying that the intercooler would probably work just as well if not a little better at what temperatures the air getting to the engine is at.

You will never get any system that brings it back to the same temperatures as ambient air.

you were saying you were comparing the temperatures with the intercooler to that from a cold air intake. Cold air intakes bring in air from outside of the under hood area of the car. That's what I was referring to as ambient air.

I'm seriously doubtful that an air-air intercooler made any difference in the temperatures you recorded.

 

[SpawnedX]

Right, so the intercooler setup brought the air from under the hood to with-in 1 to 2 degrees of that from a CAI. Relocating the filter away from a heat source is going to have an effect no matter what. I think you are confusing my comment as me saying "no get an intercooler instead of a CAI, it's better" when all I am saying is "an intercooler on a non-turbo car isn't useless or not functional, has the possibility of being marginally better, but isn't worth running out and buying one to do."

No matter what the intercooler will still cool the air without a turbocharger being involved.

 

[necrotopsy]

Intercooler on a n/a car... when a CAI just isn't enough.