Am I Not Turbo Enough For The Turbo Club?

[cs82685]

keep up the pics, I would like to see how you route your intercooler piping. I'm also interested in following up on these manifolds incase my star one ever cracks

 

[InfiniteGSX]

keep up the pics, I would like to see how you route your intercooler piping. I'm also interested in following up on these manifolds incase my star one ever cracks

What you didn't see allready? I'm using Everything Evolution! I need two parts tho... the lower top intercooler pipe that goes from the upper pipe to the intercooler, and the small pipe (I'll make one) that goes from the turbo to the lower charge pipe. HEre are the photos again.
Upper Pipe with Tial 50mm BOV.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3421/1009746gj9.jpg
Lower Pipe.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3715/1009747ic3.jpg
I'm needing the pipe that goes from the upper pipe to the intercooler!

Remember the 700x700pixel limit. -V

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Also if you want to keep up to date completely, I'm definatly keeping this one thread on ABQ-DSM up to date on this stuff, since I'm the ONLY NT/T guy in the club. There is another 420AT car here in Alb, but his car is a peice!
My 1998 Eclipse GS Thread on ABQ-DSM.com

 

[ninjai_ruken]

I think ill be buying the Evolution IC Pipes you got for my rebuild...the ones I have are crapy looking

 

[totaleclipse_05]

I knew that, but im specifically refering to the ebay special. (or the one sold by autosquare)

I think this is how it goes:
Treadstone knocked off the star manifold
Autosquare then essentially created a "double knockoff" from the treadstone manifold.

It will be interesting to see if the quality follows this pattern:
Star>Treadstone>Autosquare(ebay)

Well, they might actually be the same exact manifold. That's what we are going to be checking out. Treadstone doesn't make their own manifolds, they get them from a supplier. Autosquare could be getting them from the same people, that's why we are going to compare.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

I think ill be buying the Evolution IC Pipes you got for my rebuild...the ones I have are crapy looking

Out of all the Ebay parts I've goten, the IC Pipes and Manifold are VERY HIGH QUAILITY! Especialy the Pipes... They get a 5star rating from me! They aren't made of any lightweight aluminum or some shit like that. Like the AEM CAI I have... it has a hole in it cause my engine ripped the mount off of it... these wont do that... they are massive heavy DUTY! The Wastegate and BOV's are pretty damn good too. I give them 4 Stars. The Turbo I'll give 3Stars just because of the history with ebay shit. I'll update my personal rating as the months (hopefully years) go by.

 

[bullettdsm]

Look man, if you're going to use the rating system, I NEED to know the parameters

Now are we talking 5 stars out of 100 or what? (eh, I never got to use that icon)

MB

 

[Blitzeclips]

Out of all the Ebay parts I've goten, the IC Pipes and Manifold are VERY HIGH QUAILITY! Especialy the Pipes... They get a 5star rating from me! They aren't made of any lightweight aluminum or some shit like that. Like the AEM CAI I have... it has a hole in it cause my engine ripped the mount off of it... these wont do that... they are massive heavy DUTY! The Wastegate and BOV's are pretty damn good too. I give them 4 Stars. The Turbo I'll give 3Stars just because of the history with ebay shit. I'll update my personal rating as the months (hopefully years) go by.

You haven't even driven the car yet. What are you going to rate them on looks?

Don't spread the word about these being high quality parts until you actually use them for a period of time ATLEAST.

Otherwise you'll end up leading a newb or other conversion interested people into spending their money on cheap, ebay products.

Test them first, then tell how it works.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

You haven't even driven the car yet. What are you going to rate them on looks?

Don't spread the word about these being high quality parts until you actually use them for a period of time ATLEAST.

Otherwise you'll end up leading a newb or other conversion interested people into spending their money on cheap, ebay products.

Test them first, then tell how it works.

I rate things on true quality. like the pipes... they aren't made of some cheap shit aluminum, there aren't crapy welds. Like what V Said. They aren't like the cheap choped up pipes seen on most setups. And I said that I will be updating my own personal rating on all the parts as things get tested and used. This is comming from the mouth and actually fingers of the owner of Area 51 Performance in Albuquerque, NM.

 

[Blitzeclips]

I rate things on true quality. like the pipes... they aren't made of some cheap shit aluminum, there aren't crapy welds. Like what V Said. They aren't like the cheap choped up pipes seen on most setups. And I said that I will be updating my own personal rating on all the parts as things get tested and used. This is comming from the mouth and actually fingers of the owner of Area 51 Performance in Albuquerque, NM.

The pipes were only 1/3 things mentioned. Pipes of all could be rated the easiest.
The manifold and turbo have yet to be tested. So those are the primary things I was worried about.

You cannot rate things until they are used for their intended application.

[/QUOTE]This is comming from the mouth and actually fingers of the owner of Area 51 Performance in Albuquerque, NM.[/QUOTE]

If you own a performance shop, WHY would you cheap out on the parts for this project and go eBay?

 

[ninjai_ruken]

Because it saves money, first rule in business.....My grandpa has a net worth of over a million dollers because he was a cheap bastard his whole life

 

[InfiniteGSX]

This is comming from the mouth and actually fingers of the owner of Area 51 Performance in Albuquerque, NM.[/QUOTE]

If you own a performance shop, WHY would you cheap out on the parts for this project and go eBay?[/QUOTE]

Because I wanted to. Like someone else said, I'm being a guineea pig. This stuff isn't going on my actual car. Its going on a pos 95 RS with my spare 420A motors. I allready mentioned that I will not be cheaping anything out on my 98GS. I will be testing the ebay stuff and finding out what I like. So far the only thing I know will be going on my 98GS will be the IC Pipes and Intercooler. Maybe the manifold. But I wont be using an ebay turbo. I'll spare no expense when it comes to something of that nature. Even if this turbo turns out to be perfect, there's no telling what another one could turn out.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Because it saves money, first rule in business.....My grandpa has a net worth of over a million dollers because he was a cheap bastard his whole life

Hey Hey Hey! I'm not being a cheap bastard! But you are right, It saves money... but then again I am testing these things out. If I have the spare money to spend, why not play with it. R&D... ya know? I just spoke to someone that bought the same exact turbo setup (turbo, wastegate and hks bov) that I did, and I mean exact and he's only pushing 7.5lbs into his cavalier with a 2.2 Ecotec 4cyl and that thing is severely powerful! So we'll see if this setup is good.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

^^^was not calling you a cheap bastard, just making a point.. Looks good, cant wait to see more

 

[XMasta19]

blah blah blah...I should have all my parts sent to Florida and find myself another car, then we'll see who's doing all the talking

 

[InfiniteGSX]

blah blah blah...I should have all my parts sent to Florida and find myself another car, then we'll see who's doing all the talking

Move to NM! I have 2 2002 Neon transmissions sitting in my garrage now... one for my car... one for a spare... we can throw the spare on your car... and toy with each other hehe...

^^^was not calling you a cheap bastard, just making a point.. Looks good, cant wait to see more

Just playin around. Yeah I can't wait to see more. I just ordered a Oil Feed and Return kit. So this will be the end of the buying process Minus the DP... This is all thats going into the 95 RS... I've spent a total of 930 bucks for the Manifold, Turbo, Wastegate, 2 BOV's (one is for sale since I dont need it), Intercooler, IC Pipes, and SAFC. It will be another 150 bucks to have the 3" DP made, but for the RS I'm going to have my local exhaust shop make something with a spare DP and install the entire stock 98 GS's exhaust on the RS (since it has some screwed up setup on it now). So it will be something to toy around with and test.

I am however going to take out a 2k loan for the 98 to build its turbo setup, very similar to whats going on the RS, but I'm not going to exactly cheap out on everything. Will be still buying from Ebay, but not ebay knockoff stuff. Prob the manifold and Evo Intercooler kit and the rest real Tial and a nice Garrett .60trim.

 

[totaleclipse_05]

Make sure to get fuel upgrades for you RS. An SAFC will not work if that is the only thing you have. Minimum get a Walbro 255 fuel pump and a 12:1 FMU. That's what I have and am running about 6 lbs. right now.

 

[XMasta19]

Megasquirt FTW bishes...and btw, my baby just got a neon tranny put in it at the end of the summer



I miss my car

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Megasquirt FTW bishes...and btw, my baby just got a neon tranny put in it at the end of the summer



I miss my car

I've been hearing about this Megasquirt...

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Make sure to get fuel upgrades for you RS. An SAFC will not work if that is the only thing you have. Minimum get a Walbro 255 fuel pump and a 12:1 FMU. That's what I have and am running about 6 lbs. right now.

I allready have 550cc injectors and a 255 fuel pump.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I allready have 550cc injectors and a 255 fuel pump.

And what do you have in terms of fuel pressure regulators? You can't boost without a regulator that will appropriately raise fuel pressure under positive manifold pressure.

I think your decision to purchase 550s and the S-AFC was made a little hastily. Most are lucky to get their car to idle with just 440s and an S-AFC, let alone 550s.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

I allready had the 550's. The AFC.... I'm kinda lost now... how was that a bad move?

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I just don't like the premise of the S-AFC for N/A cars gone turbo. It doesn't make sense. You're using a device that alters the signal of a sensor that can only read vacuum. It might help smooth out the idle a little, but if you get a proper fuel pressure regulator, like an S-FMU, and tune it right, you shouldn't need the S-AFC at all.

The reason the 550s are a bad idea, is because they're simply too big. The S-FMU can handle about 440s or so. Beyond that, you'll need to lower the rising rate to about 1:1 and get some sort of stand alone fuel controller.


Now, how about that FPR? Have you given that any though? S-FMU? FMU? You can't boost without one.

 

[selmerguy]

I just don't like the premise of the S-AFC for N/A cars gone turbo. It doesn't make sense. You're using a device that alters the signal of a sensor that can only read vacuum. It might help smooth out the idle a little, but if you get a proper fuel pressure regulator, like an S-FMU, and tune it right, you shouldn't need the S-AFC at all.

The reason the 550s are a bad idea, is because they're simply too big. The S-FMU can handle about 440s or so. Beyond that, you'll need to lower the rising rate to about 1:1 and get some sort of stand alone fuel controller.


Now, how about that FPR? Have you given that any though? S-FMU? FMU? You can't boost without one.

I find this quasi amusing... Talk about big companies that do R&D. SBR swears that you can use 550's and a SAFC on the 420a. I have tried this on multipule 420'as with little to no success. So IMO that "R&D" is a bunch of bull----. I currently run 680's on my 4g63 with an AFPR and a SAFC. I think the reason you cant really run 550's with the SAFC on the 420a is becaues the 550's are more than twice the size of the stock injector. You can only play with +-50% with the SAFC. But then by that you should be able to run 920's on a 4g63 and we all know the SAFC wont work for those bad boys. Now for your setup if you got a SFMU then you would be goot to go with the 550s and you can use the SAFC for fine tunning too! Also beware that to much SAFC manipulation of the 420a map sensor has been known to cause a advance in timing which is bad for your boost and could cause your nice motor to go boom boom.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Well at least the 4G63 has a proper MAF sensor. 420As, as you know, have a MAP that can only read in vacuum. Thus, for the 4G63, the S-AFC is at least modifying the fuel curve throughout both the vacuum and boost ranges, which in my opinion, makes it more effective. For the 420A, it's only modifying the fuel curve under vacuum. Beyond that, it's all the fuel pressure regulator determining how much fuel to add under boost. Hence, the size of the injectors you use are also limited by the FPR you choose.