going for the stage I hahn turbo kit

[Marky ESI]

ok, i have the 98 eagle talon esi 2.0L eveything stock as of now. Now that i have decided to get a stage I hahn turbo kit is thier anything that i would need other that wats in the kit to run like what, around 5-9 psi. and in the futer i plan on getting a stage II, is it stupid to get the stage I and then later on getting a stage II. as of now money is not an issue, ma car being in good condition is so ill get what ever it takes to make my car safe and fast so i can have a little fun. what do you guys think thanks.

 

[Dallas J]

I really would recomend that if you get the stage one to at least hook up some sort of intercooler.

If you dont know how to do a custom IC set up then go with the stage 2.

-Dallas J

 

[Marky ESI]

so are u sayin i should get the stage I first then

 

[Dallas J]

No, Im saying get an Intercooler. If you dont have the ability to do a custom setup when youre installing the stg 1, then get the stg 2.

-Dallas J

 

[baxsom]

i would definatly go with the stage 2 if you have the money
that way the car only has to be down once

 

[Marky ESI]

i wanna get the stage one, i dont want to much power right now,
if i get that ill get the intercooler .
is that all i need to know then? cuz an intercooler is no problem
ill install that. would their be anything els i need just to be safe. i dont want any problems after i put it in. how much psi do u recomend?

 

[truECLIPSE]

well if you want 5-9 psi get stage 2 because you will need an intercooler to get up there. I wouldn't recommend going past 8 psi without forged internals though

 

[pr0]

My friend does 10 psi on his stock bottom end, he doesn't do it daily though. 7 is perfect for daily driving.

 

[Marky ESI]

im just gonna get a stage one. i changed my mind. so im gonna need a new intercooler and forged internals. be a littel more spacific with me im a newbie sorry. just got a dsm like 2 weeks ago. thanks

 

[pr0]

im just gonna get a stage one. i changed my mind. so im gonna need a new intercooler and forged internals. be a littel more spacific with me im a newbie sorry. just got a dsm like 2 weeks ago. thanks

By forged internals, he is referring to forged pistions and rods.

 

[Marky ESI]

i dont know how to install that so does anyone know how much it would cost to install that and and a web site where i can look at some forged internals.

 

[truECLIPSE]

You should do some research before you put a turbocharger on your car. It's true that turbo ing anything can give you serious increased gains but read up a little until you know what is actually going on your car. But you looking to spend probably $800 for parts alone for pistons and rods.

 

[Dallas J]

My friend does 10 psi on his stock bottom end, he doesn't do it daily though. 7 is perfect for daily driving.

Well my friend ran 11psi once and cracked a piston, and that was in colorado (less absolute pressure) :thumbdown

Stick with 8psi or less.

-Dallas J

 

[Marky ESI]

im not gonna put more then 5-7 psi now that i think about it. im searching the hahn racecraft site and im learning alot right now. ill prolly get the intercooler. which one sounds better the one that is mounted on the side of the engine or the one thats in the front near the bumper? im going to get a hahn intercooler. and should i get the intercooler kit or just the intercooler?

 

[pr0]

Well my friend ran 11psi once and cracked a piston, and that was in colorado (less absolute pressure) :thumbdown

Stick with 8psi or less.

-Dallas J

Maybe a tuning issue?

 

[Dallas J]

Maybe a tuning issue?

Well, the engine was old... Nothing melted, he just cracked the rings and ring lands.

Just saying if you cant afford to rebuild the engine keep the boost down. You never know.

-Dallas J

 

[pr0]

Well, the engine was old... Nothing melted, he just cracked the rings and ring lands.

Just saying if you cant afford to rebuild the engine keep the boost down. You never know.

-Dallas J

How many miles were on his engine? But yea its good to keep the boost down to like 7-8 max, don't want to fry your rings :thumbdown

 

[baxsom]

with just the stage 1 you will be lucky to hit 5-7 psi
when i just had the hrc stage 1 i had to push it hard just to hit 4
the techs at hahn said that it was very common for that to happen with their stage 1 actuator. in a previous post you mentioned a stage 1 and an intercooler

that is the stage 2

the stage 1 piping goes straight from the turbo to the throttle body
if you want an intercooler you have to put in all new piping to accomodate so the kit is easiest to just get all of the parts together
or you can fashion your own but hahns parts fit exactly.
the only non ic related parts that come with the stage 2 is a new actuator that allows you to hit higher boost

 

[Marky ESI]

now that im gonna get a stage 2 turbo . because u guys like to change my mind alot. i should prolly get some pistions rings and rods. unless i want the ones that are in their right now for key chains. u guys have any recommendations for that.

 

[Marky ESI]

say that i want to get some headers or exhust. and the part says for non turbos can i keep those parts on even if ma car is gonna be turbocharged later on. or do i have to buy like a whole new set of headers. cuz im planning on getting bosal headers for like 500$. i dont wanna get it and then have the headers not accept the turbo after. thanks

 

[Dallas J]

The turbo needs a manifold that the turbo can bolt to. Your N/A Headers wont work for anything after you get a turbo. The turbo will come with a manifold though, so you dont need that right now.

You should probably concern yourself more with a real fuel system if you want to have some reliability in your car after you turbo it.

As far as I know, both Hahn and Star kit just use an AFPR and jack up the fuel pressure to compensate for their complete lack of something resembling a high performance fuel system.

At least get a logger, Injectors, AFC, and a good AFPR (like Aeromotive). I dont know what the kit comes with, but the Hahn kit, back when I had one on a Neon, used a super crappy Cartech AFPR. It was extremely unsteady in holding fuel pressure and unreliable when increasing it.

Other than that, gauges and suspension are good ideas.

-Dallas J

 

[miamieclipse]

Marki Listen up:

1) Stage 1 is the same as Stage 2 EXCEPT for that stage 2 comes with an intercooler.
2) YOu will not be able to boost more than 4psi (unless you don't like your car that is) without an intercooler
3) Forged Pistons & Rods can cost somewhere to $800, THe install is something you probably cannot do and look for the install price to cost close to what the parts did as they have to rip into your engine to replace.
4) A HEADER WILL NOT WORK ON A TURBO CAR for the reason stated by Dallas J, the Header is then replaced with a turbo manifold.
5) You can get a cat-back and you still will be able to use it with your turbo kit
6) You can also get parts stated above such as: Cam Gears, AFC-II, Cams, Cat-Back, Hi-Flow Cat, Ported Intake Manifold, 60mm tb....

Hope this helps.

PS Dallas the only type of logging system I think you can run on the 420a is t3, or obd2....

 

[interceptor]

I hit 6 psi with my stage one but had intercooler.

with just the stage 1 you will be lucky to hit 5-7 psi
when i just had the hrc stage 1 i had to push it hard just to hit 4
the techs at hahn said that it was very common for that to happen with their stage 1 actuator. in a previous post you mentioned a stage 1 and an intercooler

that is the stage 2

the stage 1 piping goes straight from the turbo to the throttle body
if you want an intercooler you have to put in all new piping to accomodate so the kit is easiest to just get all of the parts together
or you can fashion your own but hahns parts fit exactly.
the only non ic related parts that come with the stage 2 is a new actuator that allows you to hit higher boost

 

[interceptor]

Different actuator on stage two than one

Marki Listen up:

1) Stage 1 is the same as Stage 2 EXCEPT for that stage 2 comes with an intercooler.
2) YOu will not be able to boost more than 4psi (unless you don't like your car that is) without an intercooler
3) Forged Pistons & Rods can cost somewhere to $800, THe install is something you probably cannot do and look for the install price to cost close to what the parts did as they have to rip into your engine to replace.
4) A HEADER WILL NOT WORK ON A TURBO CAR for the reason stated by Dallas J, the Header is then replaced with a turbo manifold.
5) You can get a cat-back and you still will be able to use it with your turbo kit
6) You can also get parts stated above such as: Cam Gears, AFC-II, Cams, Cat-Back, Hi-Flow Cat, Ported Intake Manifold, 60mm tb....

Hope this helps.

PS Dallas the only type of logging system I think you can run on the 420a is t3, or obd2....

 

[interceptor]

Hey get stage one and Save money for other things.Get a intercooler from Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7943817526&category=33742 take the saved money and get boost controller .You will be boosting the same as the guys with stage two and be stealth as well and would have SAVED BIG TIME.

now that im gonna get a stage 2 turbo . because u guys like to change my mind alot. i should prolly get some pistions rings and rods. unless i want the ones that are in their right now for key chains. u guys have any recommendations for that.