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[lacroixdp]

No we are not a slave to other countries because of our oil dependencies ( common misconception). And oil will not run out of oil for another 200 years if not much longer.

I could careless if you want to believe the media and their false hype on the subject. Do you own research. I had to write a 20 page college term paper on Peak Oil Theory and Geopolitics. I read alot of scholarly journals and economic studies.

I have too - that's why I know we have a lot of oil left, but it is in much harder to reach places that will cost significantly more to drill. The scarcity of easily obtainable oil is what is going to drive the price up, not oil becoming depleted on Earth. Dong Energy pays over a half million dollars a day to drill in the Oresund Straight - over the past 10 years it has taken longer and longer for them to find oil deposits on the bottom of the ocean floor. The oil that they do find is at extreme depths that are increasingly dangerous to extract oil from. The bottom line is that any product that we do not produce in sufficient quantity to supply our whole country makes us dependent on the producers of said product. I'm sure we can both agree that cheap oil is coming to an end, since you did your research as you so stated. So with that being said, wouldn't it be advantageous for us to reduce our dependence on a product that is in a production decline with increasing costs? I can think of nothing more patriotic than our country being able to rely on itself for our own energy needs.

 

[xioca]

As prices go up it will be more viable for other technologies to be developed and implemented. At the current time the only reason they are is due to government subsidies. This is bad. If there is a need for something it will happen, but not through federal meddling.

 

[habitatguy187]

I pulled out 37.3 mpg on my 1992' 1.8 celica 5-speed, but it wasn't easy , and most of the miles were highway. However I can usually hit 500 miles on a tank before I need to fill up again.

But as stated the car is a bore to drive, and I just don't see this happening with trucks.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Many of my friends whom had voted for him are mad at him because of all his lies to get elected, and is no longer following through on them. But yes I dislike socialists and progressives.

I cant wait until everyone who voted for him feels like that, but the sad part is...it was trendy to vote for him, they did and now they pay ZERO attention to what he is screwing up. Im sorry but I lack the tingly feeling in my leg when obama takes action, he is single handedly screwing America with his fist.

 

[xioca]

I cant wait until everyone who voted for him feels like that, but the sad part is...it was trendy to vote for him

That sir is a possibility, or it could be the proletariat wanting to socialize.

 

[lacroixdp]

As prices go up it will be more viable for other technologies to be developed and implemented. At the current time the only reason they are is due to government subsidies. This is bad. If there is a need for something it will happen, but not through federal meddling.

Ah, a traditional 'market will react to needs' argument - I agree on many, many fronts. However, I've seen many good programs come from government subsidies and sponsorship, such as nuclear energy, wind mills, health care (in other countries, mind you) as well as others. Too often corporations lag behind on development because it may be more profitable for them to do so. In the case of oil, I think it's going to take more motivation for development to occur, quite simply because of the high profits to be had right now from staying the course. I can't really carry on with this without it becoming political - it would turn into a socialism debate. I've lived in Socialist countries, and in some areas I see clearly how it works well. Of course, with those benefits comes a 60% chunk out of your pay and 25% off all goods and services you purchase.

 

[xioca]

Its sad, horribly sad that we don't use more nuclear energy in this country.

 

[sik4g63]

I only have 2 words to say that will help with out dependence on oil and boost this economy 10 fold. Legalize Marijauna. Thats all.

 

[tsidrift1]

All I wanna say is that in the last 8 years we had bush running the country, it took a huge fall. Bush sucks ass! I would love to continue on, but I dont want to get into this. Its very hard to argue online!!

I think its funny how any little mistake Obama makes, everyone is on his ass about how he is horrible and "look what he did" blah, blah. Lets not look at the last eight years and pick out mistakes people!

Hes been in office for 5 months now! Lets give someone a chance?

I only have 2 words to say that will help with out dependence on oil and boost this economy 10 fold. Legalize Marijauna. Thats all.

and Tax the shit out of it!

 

[xioca]

All I wanna say is that in the last 8 years we had bush running the country, it took a huge fall.

Are you talking about the economy? If you are, (I think you are), you should understand that the economy is cyclical.

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This is a graph shows how economies (many many parts and variables) Increase but exeed their substaiablitly. Think of it as a very generalized company that is in demand, so it hires more workers to produce more products , buys more materials, ect. only to grow past the point of demand, so it must drasticaly reduce its supply, IE cut workers, ect. only to reach the point where it undershoots and and eventialy it becomes viable for more investment and it starts all over again, searching for it's equilibrim.

The economy does this. All the while it is around a steady linear growth.

This is the actual real world graph.

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Now either you didn't know this and you learned something new today from me, OR you made an ignorant attemp to bash a great president. In any case there is no relation to a president in office and the overall status of the economy. EXCEPT when they don't allow the free market to right itself. The only example being the New Deal, which in fact did not help bring the country out of the great depression. If anything it prolonged it, (yes that is true). We were only brought out of the great depression from the increase in production for WW2.



EDIT: And yes, I am saying that the recent economic stimuls plan will not help, and only hurts in the long haul. Anybody that has taken a college level american history class and economic class with decent professors should know this, too bad politions seem to lack anything but personal pork barrel, pet project agenda.

 

[habitatguy187]

I read somewhere that Brazil is almost self-sufficient for gasoline needs as they use ethanol for all their cars, but the article said that they get it from sugarcane which yields a lot more energy than corn does.

 

[xioca]

I read somewhere that Brazil is almost self-sufficient for gasoline needs as they use ethanol for all their cars, but the article said that they get it from sugarcane which yields a lot more energy than corn does.

Too bad our climate isn't suitable for it, nor would there be enough land in the end. Did you know we tax 54cents on each gallon of imported ethonal to keep our corn grown ethenal at a competative price, not to mention how it is subsidized, and is nearly a 1 gallon of gas in 1 gallon of ethonal out ( and cars running it get 30% less gas milage per gallon). Stupid politions fishing for rural votes in the midwest, driving the price of food up while there at it.

 

[tenn-gsx]

All I wanna say is that in the last 8 years we had bush running the country, it took a huge fall. Bush sucks ass! I would love to continue on, but I dont want to get into this. Its very hard to argue online!!

I think its funny how any little mistake Obama makes, everyone is on his ass about how he is horrible and "look what he did" blah, blah. Lets not look at the last eight years and pick out mistakes people!

Hes been in office for 5 months now! Lets give someone a chance?

This is the very same thing peope say about any president who has the support of half the people and not the other half.
ALL presidents since Kennedy and in some ways including Kennedy have screwed things up even worse than before their presidency. The thing is that the FEDERAL govt is not supposed to get involved in the day to day running of the american people lives. Look at Cali. They are a smaller scale of what the federal system is heading toward. As long as the gove keeps blowing money on programs that are by design encouraging people to expect something for nothing we will never get out of this progressive control and debt that the federal and state govts are plunging us into. Presidents have very little control on this. All they really ar is scape goats for when things go bad and a shining star for their party to use when things go right.

 

[mindset]

Are you talking about the economy? If you are, (I think you are), you should understand that the economy is cyclical.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

This is a graph shows how economies (many many parts and variables) Increase but exeed their substaiablitly. Think of it as a very generalized company that is in demand, so it hires more workers to produce more products , buys more materials, ect. only to grow past the point of demand, so it must drasticaly reduce its supply, IE cut workers, ect. only to reach the point where it undershoots and and eventialy it becomes viable for more investment and it starts all over again, searching for it's equilibrim.

The economy does this. All the while it is around a steady linear growth.

This is the actual real world graph.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

Now either you didn't know this and you learned something new today from me, OR you made an ignorant attemp to bash a great president. In any case there is no relation to a president in office and the overall status of the economy. EXCEPT when they don't allow the free market to right itself. The only example being the New Deal, which in fact did not help bring the country out of the great depression. If anything it prolonged it, (yes that is true). We were only brought out of the great depression from the increase in production for WW2.



EDIT: And yes, I am saying that the recent economic stimuls plan will not help, and only hurts in the long haul. Anybody that has taken a college level american history class and economic class with decent professors should know this, too bad politions seem to lack anything but personal pork barrel, pet project agenda.

This is excellent proof. No one realizes this happens. I'm glad Bush protected our country though.


OP: Legalizing marijuana would be pointless. Imagine taxes!

 

[tenn-gsx]

Why would legalizin maryj be usless? It would only cost 5 MABY 10 dollars to produce and distribute a pack of 20 cannibus cigarettes. The store sells them for 12 dollars and you add 4-6 dollars tax on that.(plenty of tax income) This would cut down on usless incarcerations of petty drug users and sellers.(saving money on the judicial and penal system) Weed is less destructive than alcohol but yet alcohol is legal? The only destruction weed does is created by society making it taboo and having an intolerance for the only TRULY natural drug that is widly used. I dont use weed and i dont really care for the stuff but economically and legally it is a usless drain on our society to make it illegal for use by adults. Addicts are going to be addicts weather its legal or not. I would also bet that by making it legal you would cut down on alot of use by the "rebellous" types out there.

 

[xioca]

On a tangent, every anti smoking comercial I see angers me and makes me want to smoke, and I rarely smoke. Drug commercials are doing the same but I haven't been annoyed enough by them yet.

ANYways I heard somewhere that the reason marijuana was criminalized was when hemp was a condendor when the paper industry exploded, but the lumber indrusty lobbied to kill their competition.

 

[tenn-gsx]

I believe that the biggest reason for not legalizing it currently is because of the inability to prove definately if someone is actively under the influence. As of right now you can prove if someone has used recenty but proving actual under the influence is only based on officers EXPERIENCE.

 

[sik4g63]

Not only was it the paper industry that helped with the illegalizations of marijuana. The major fuel companies at the time were lobbying the same arguement. Up until the 1920's I think hemp oil was a major fuel used in our economy.

 

[JFZERO ECLIPSE]

Just wondering off chance, when Clinton was the President did he do anything that dealt with Auto's?

Maybo OBD2 and some safety stuff came to mind, like dual front air bags and what not---I really don't follow politics or auto trends much...Wake up , go to work, collect check, pay bills,sleep, repeat

I do know as stated above about recessions and recovery's and what not

When Clinton was in office this country was in debt like crazy thanks to Bush Sr., then by the end of his 2nd term the country flourished with a surplus of money, 1st Year with G. W. Bush , higher taxes and look were in a lasty defecit....

I do hope Obama takes us out of this recession ...

I think some of us DSM'ers are doing a thing for the economy...Having broken down garage queen cars that never sip fuel or leave the garage....

 

[Jeff99GS]

For all of you Obama haters and America Haters...Yall Can Pack Up and MOVE THE FU*K out of this country if you don't like it.

I dont care if our president is Captain Crunch...I will Stand behind AMERICAs president and Support this country NO MATTER WHAT happens.

I hate these retards that think they're doing this country favors by Hating on our president. Like Rush (oxcodine) Limbaugh. We should send that fat Bastard to Afghanistan for Treason.

You know 60 years ago they would string you Anti American Fu*kers up from a Tree if you bad Mouthed our President.

Whining like babies about our president is like crying about spilled milk...He is already the president....SO stand behind him and support your country and stop whining about everything he does like lil Biotches.

My Business has already picked up since Obama has been in Office.

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[lacroixdp]

Are you talking about the economy? If you are, (I think you are), you should understand that the economy is cyclical.


This is a graph shows how economies (many many parts and variables) Increase but exeed their substaiablitly. Think of it as a very generalized company that is in demand, so it hires more workers to produce more products , buys more materials, ect. only to grow past the point of demand, so it must drasticaly reduce its supply, IE cut workers, ect. only to reach the point where it undershoots and and eventialy it becomes viable for more investment and it starts all over again, searching for it's equilibrim.

The economy does this. All the while it is around a steady linear growth.

This is the actual real world graph.

Now either you didn't know this and you learned something new today from me, OR you made an ignorant attemp to bash a great president. In any case there is no relation to a president in office and the overall status of the economy. EXCEPT when they don't allow the free market to right itself. The only example being the New Deal, which in fact did not help bring the country out of the great depression. If anything it prolonged it, (yes that is true). We were only brought out of the great depression from the increase in production for WW2.



EDIT: And yes, I am saying that the recent economic stimuls plan will not help, and only hurts in the long haul. Anybody that has taken a college level american history class and economic class with decent professors should know this, too bad politions seem to lack anything but personal pork barrel, pet project agenda.

Couldn't be more correct. Bush is not responsible for the poor economy. He may have been an idiot, but it's not his fault we have an economy full of fail. This is a very natural occurrence in an economy with loose regulations - credit markets get over-extended and you have a contraction to control the imbalance. Bottom line - all politicians are untrustworthy, period.

 

[JFZERO ECLIPSE]

Damn I just watched the entire 53:23 of the video...E85 seems like the best and cheapest alternative, I do think it is bushes fault with the economy or at least he had a nice chunk of influence, we will be trying to get dug out of debt to the war we were/still are in...

 

[mindset]

For all of you Obama haters and America Haters...Yall Can Pack Up and MOVE THE FU*K out of this country if you don't like it.

I dont care if our president is Captain Crunch...I will Stand behind AMERICAs president and Support this country NO MATTER WHAT happens.

I hate these retards that think they're doing this country favors by Hating on our president. Like Rush (oxcodine) Limbaugh. We should send that fat Bastard to Afghanistan for Treason.

You know 60 years ago they would string you Anti American Fu*kers up from a Tree if you bad Mouthed our President.

Whining like babies about our president is like crying about spilled milk...He is already the president....SO stand behind him and support your country and stop whining about everything he does like lil Biotches.

My Business has already picked up since Obama has been in Office.

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I love my country. But I don't love the people who are running it. If you call creating more laws and restrictions on the people's freedom good, then how can you call yourself a patriot? All they do is tell lie after lie. We are all brainwashed. Every single one of us. Whether you like to believe it or not, our minds are created from the pressuring media and garbage we hear. Everything. We are told what to believe and what not to believe. ON everything. 9/11, unemployment rates, economy condition, and the world economy itself. Now socialism?!

 

[Jeff99GS]

I love my country. But I don't love the people who are running it. If you call creating more laws and restrictions on the people's freedom good, then how can you call yourself a patriot? All they do is tell lie after lie. We are all brainwashed. Every single one of us. Whether you like to believe it or not, our minds are created from the pressuring media and garbage we hear. Everything. We are told what to believe and what not to believe. ON everything. 9/11, unemployment rates, economy condition, and the world economy itself. Now socialism?!

Brainwash is IT Exactly...You guys are spewing these facts that you hear on CNN...Who really KNOWS how much oil is left??? Did you go check the Earth Dipstick? You guys just spit out these Crap facts that you heard somewhere...That is Brainwash IMO if you believe everything they tell you On the Fair and Balanced NEWS.

All I am saying is I hope this country prospers and DOES NOT FAIL. Like Rush Limbaugh wants it to fail?!?!?! He should be forced out of this country for saying that he wants America to fail.

And by The way George Bush Created the Patriot Act which Is a direct Violation of so many of our rights as free people.
They can do what every they want now under the guise of HOMELAND security.

I think its good to enforce stricter rules on automakers....afterall Thats WHAT CREATED our DSM's
Chrysler was looking to make ties with Mitsu to make more fuel efficient cars.
Otherwise we might still be driving big v8 pushrod engine beasts around town with NO cat and Leaded Fuel.

I know I don't wanna breath that shit....How bout you?

 

[lacroixdp]

Brainwash is IT Exactly...You guys are spewing these facts that you hear on CNN...Who really KNOWS how much oil is left??? Did you go check the Earth Dipstick? You guys just spit out these Crap facts that you heard somewhere...That is Brainwash IMO if you believe everything they tell you On the Fair and Balanced NEWS.

Are you just ignoring science here on purpose? Now granted, I read Fox and CNN and MSNBC, amongst others, and I take all three with a large grain of salt, but to assume that no one knows approximately how much oil is left is to completely ignore sound science, IMHO. I didn't get my oil information from any news site for what it's worth - I worked with geologists from Dong Energy whose job it was to calculate oil quantities and location... almost always they are precisely on the dot. I also have a friend that worked for Royal Dutch Shell as a geologist on staff. Their job is to know exactly how much oil there is and at what depth to find them at - it's what they are paid to do. It's not an Earth Dipstick as you so say - it is geology, and it is quite accurate. The bottom line is that everything that everyone knows or believes is information that has to have come from somewhere. It is always prudent to scrutinize everything you are told, but scrutiny can quickly become paranoia if you dismiss everything without research. The results from said scrutiny should be the determining factor for whether you accept what you are told.

E85 seems like the best and cheapest alternative

E85 is ethically flawed by it's very nature. We are taking food and using it for powering our cars. There are other production methods for ethanol, such as switchblade grass, Brazilian sugar, and cornstalk/organic waste, but we grant the most tax subsidies on corn for political reasons. Ethanol is the broken answer to a larger problem - it still emits toxic emissions (just like gasoline) and is inefficient - both things we need to move away from. In fact, there is a net loss in energy for ethanol production. It may act as a band-aid for foreign oil, but it can never fully replace it - just supplement. What the answer is I don't know - Hydrogen is looking the most promising at the moment. However, it is such a huge paradigm shift for our country that we have to start now to acclimate people to our new energy needs.

We are all brainwashed. Every single one of us. Whether you like to believe it or not, our minds are created from the pressuring media and garbage we hear. Everything.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.