AGP RS49T vs Big 16G evo III

[2DaTrakNow]

Im looking at two turbos and have no idea what to get. My options are the RS49T from AGP turbos(about $850) OR the Big 16G Evo 3 turbo for about $560. I want to have a turbo that will obviously last long and i wont want to replace in the future (due to lack of power coming from the turbo). My current mods arn't much, but in the somewhat near future I am going to be doing alot of modding. Any ups or downs from either turbo will help. Info such as spool up time, max boost, maintenence, tuning, etc. i will greatly appreciate. Or any recomendations for other turbos would be great too!

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

My buddy had the Rs49T on DSMLINK fully supported at 20+ lbs and that thing hauled ass, but then the turbo blew after about 4 months. IF i were you I would get my supporrting mods done first then buy the turbo. ALso what are you goals ? Theres sooo many " what turbo " threads around.

 

[Slo TSI]

They are different turbos. The rs49 is a 50 trim which flows more air so you have to give us more info on your goals to help you decide which is better for you.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

My buddy had the Rs49T on DSMLINK fully supported at 20+ lbs and that thing hauled ass, but then the turbo blew after about 4 months. IF i were you I would get my supporrting mods done first then buy the turbo. ALso what are you goals ? Theres sooo many " what turbo " threads around.

Those turbos are now backed by a one year warranty, even under racing conditions. I know there is alot of "what turbo" threads, but i just wanted a comparison between the two. My goals by the end of the summer are mid to low 12's. Then over the winter i will tear apart the motor and build it for alot of boost and nitrous.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Well if a lot of boost and nitrous are your gals and you want to sport 12s then get the rs49t, little over kill but it'll get the job done and some. Both can get you into the 12s with the right supporting mods, heck the stock 14B will let you see 12s with a decent set up. IMO I would get the evo3 16G and use the extra cash to put towards getting a DSMLink in the near future...and of course a boost gauge, and mbc if you dont have any of those.

EDIT*** Also I see that you have a GST, you may want to look in to lsd so all the power you want will make it to the pavement, and not go up in smoke.

 

[oldmopwater]

I recommend the sbr g50 if you are going for a 50 trim. Its cheaper than the agp and more reliable in my opinion. Its also only 100-150 more than most evo 16s.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I recommend the sbr g50 if you are going for a 50 trim. Its cheaper than the agp and more reliable in my opinion. Its also only 100-150 more than most evo 16s.

you do realize that the G50 and RS49T are essential the same turbo right? They both use the t-netics 360 CHRA. The difference is the G50 uses SBR's casted comp and turbine housing, whereas AGP's uses the standard comphousing and a bullseye turbine housing.

I had the g50, I couldn't particularly complain about it. To me, it's just your average 50 trim.

 

[DGajre777]

I'm sure some (maybe many) people will disagree with me, but if I was in the market for a 50 trim turbo I would go with the FP Green even though it is a little on the high side for a 50 trim.

 

[daren_p]

If you goals are mid to low 12's on a fwd you will need to add a couple things to your list. Suspension, urthane bushings, good tires & a lsd or more then likely slicks.

 

[cfisher]

Those turbos are now backed by a one year warranty, even under racing conditions. I know there is alot of "what turbo" threads, but i just wanted a comparison between the two. My goals by the end of the summer are mid to low 12's. Then over the winter i will tear apart the motor and build it for alot of boost and nitrous.

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[2DaTrakNow]

Alright guys, thanks for the info. To me it sounds somewhat like the RS49T is somewhat unreliable and like fourreGsixty3 said, its alittle overkill. Also, with the evo3 16G or the SBR G50 i will have about $3-400 in cash to dump into other things. To get specific on my goals, by the end of the summer i want to run mid to low 12's. Right now, i have hardly any mods(look in my profile). Very soon, i will get a boost controller, good exhaust, a MAFT, intercooler(either an SRT-4 intercooler, or an XS one off of ebay), a fuel pump(and all new lines), a wideband and either slicks for the track or street legal drag radials. After i get the turbo, i will get a SAFC, data logging program, and some minor stuff that i cant think of right now. At that point, i would like to be in the 12's. Once next winter comes around, i will supply all new pistons, and do the supporting internal mods to get the engine ready for very high boost and a small shot of nitrous.

Or option B, is to go ahead and get the turbo now. Keep in mind that i have no fuel mods, and the stock SMIC. I would like to do that just to get the single most expensive part out of the way. If i did that though, would it hurt anything on my car if i ran a low boost level and if i got a wideband to ensure that the car was not running to lean? Then as time goes on i will get the fuel mods and intercooler so i can up the boost. Im only 16, and i know that i dont know everything, so im just trying to double check before i go and make a dumbass move that will hurt me later on.

 

[DGajre777]

I say get the supporting mods first. A big turbo should not be your first mod.

 

[underradar92]

I was told by Matt @ SBR (hope you don't mind my reference, Matt ) that a 50 trim will work like crap on my car w/o a lot more supporting mods than what I had at the time, or really what I have now, especially injectors, fuel management. Everything I've read since supports that sage advice. Some things should happen in order. All those steps will only help your current set up also, so it's not like you'd be wasting your time, either. #2296

 

[Stratus]

The RS49T is working great for me. I've been running it since october. Spools fast(3400rpm) and pulls hard. It takes a little more to fully support a 50 trim. Good power can be made on both turbos. How much HP are you looking to make, and how much money are you looking to spend on the full setup?

 

[2DaTrakNow]

i would like to make around 320 or 350, or something like 12 secs. by the end of the summer. I would also like to spend about $2500 or less on the bigger mods, and maybe alittle here and there on smaller stuff (clamps, wires, etc.) IF that is possible, and if not then just let me know.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

i would like to make around 320 or 350, or something like 12 secs. by the end of the summer. I would also like to spend about $2500 or less on the bigger mods, and maybe alittle here and there on smaller stuff (clamps, wires, etc.) IF that is possible, and if not then just let me know.

I'll try not to flame you for this. Judging from your mod profile, 3 of the 4 mods you have are not helping you (for the most part). Do you have a tubular header? what is a "header"? are you speaking of an aftermarket exhaust manifold? Also, is your dual exhaust an entire turboback or just a catback? also, is your HKS BOV venting or non venting?

anyway, you can definitely get away with modding your car for less than 2500 as long as you DO IT RIGHT. That means picking quality parts that won't break, etc. First start with maintenance. Then follow your stage 1 and stage 2 mods here on dsmtuners to get you to your 300+ FWHP goal.

If you are looking for 12's, you will either have to make more power than 350fwhp or get better suspension for the track.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

The header i have on the car is a pace setter tubular header. I always assumed that a header was tubular, and that a manifold was obviously not tubular and always considered a manifold, whether it was aftermarket or stock. My dual exhaust isn't high performance at all, its split way behind the cat, almost near the fuel tank and just goes into two mufflers. The guy that had it on just wanted the looks of dual exhaust, but i might fix it to perform a little better sometime. My BOV does not recirculate, and i do not have a MAFT yet, but i am going to get the MAFT sometime very soon so that i can keep the BOV non-recirculating. I will upgrade my profile being more specific, i was kind of in a rush when i filled it out last time. But, i wasnt sure about the 350 hp mark compared to the 12 sec. idea. I just wanted one or the other. I just figured it would come close, because a buddy of mine has an SRT-4 with about 410 hp, and with slicks he runs mid-high 11's. Plus, being that our cars weigh a little less, i wasnt sure.

 

[dsm-onster]

Well if a lot of boost and nitrous are your gals and you want to sport 12s then get the rs49t, little over kill but it'll get the job done and some. Both can get you into the 12s with the right supporting mods, heck the stock 14B will let you see 12s with a decent set up. IMO I would get the evo3 16G and use the extra cash to put towards getting a DSMLink in the near future...and of course a boost gauge, and mbc if you dont have any of those.

EDIT*** Also I see that you have a GST, you may want to look in to lsd so all the power you want will make it to the pavement, and not go up in smoke.

He will not need dsmlink for a evo3. He will hardly need more than 550s. And if he has an AFPR he will definately not need more than 550s.

I suggest the RS49T. If you plan on heavily modding this car in the future, you'll be happy to have a "pumpgas king" 50-trim setup. she'll hold 25+ psi to a raised rev limit with aggresive cams and still maintain 70% efficiency. With a 50-trim though, I'd recommend DSMLink. It's designed so that an ameture can tune a high horsepower setup.

 

[Shane2GSX]

The RS49T is working great for me. I've been running it since october. Spools fast(3400rpm) and pulls hard. It takes a little more to fully support a 50 trim. Good power can be made on both turbos. How much HP are you looking to make, and how much money are you looking to spend on the full setup?

So at what RPM does this turbo START spooling on your car? I am also between an Evo and 50 trim, I want good power on Pump Gas but don't want to sacrafice too much spool, like anyone else.

 

[olmytsi]

The rs49t isn't overkill at all. Only problem i have is oil in the intake side.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

Alright, all of you guys seem to know what your talking about, but yet there are so many options i have. Also, some say to get the rs49T and others say the evo. If i get a 50 trim, will i need a dsmlink, or will the MAFT, wideband, and SAFC be enough to tune it in? Or for now, should i just get a bigger fuel pump, intercooler, wideband and an SAFC. Then once i save up for the turbo i will be able to throw it on and haul ass. Honestly, i kind of want one of you guys to make up my mind, because in the end i will get everything, i just dont know what all to get at this current point.

 

[dsm-onster]

Alright, all of you guys seem to know what your talking about, but yet there are so many options i have.

The options put the burden on you.

The EVO3 16G is sucha different turbo fro the 50 trim that if your having a hard time choosig between teh two then you're not even sure what you want.

Also, some say to get the rs49T and others say the evo.

Guys pick the evo for quick spool that wint completel fall on its a$$ above 4500 rpms.

Guys pick the 50 trim to beat the guys who bi*** about quick spoolup. The evo3 guys.

If i get a 50 trim, will i need a dsmlink, or will the MAFT, wideband, and SAFC be enough to tune it in? Or for now, should i just get a bigger fuel pump, intercooler, wideband and an SAFC.

With a keen understanding of the tools at hand, one can get away with no fuel control at all with a 50-trim if drivability is not an issue. DSMLink is not a neccesity for a 50 trim. But it is for those who ar ametures at tuning and still want to go big. or for those who go big and don't want to pay $1600 for AEM EMS.

Then once i save up for the turbo i will be able to throw it on and haul ass. Honestly, i kind of want one of you guys to make up my mind, because in the end i will get everything, i just dont know what all to get at this current point.

You have to pay to play. No one can decide unless you know what you want. A 50trim is way more aggrsive than a little EVO3 16g.

 

[underradar92]

With a keen understanding of the tools at hand, one can get away with no fuel control at all with a 50-trim if drivability is not an issue. DSMLink is not a neccesity for a 50 trim.

Are you saying no maft or afc? Could you clarify please?

 

[dsm-onster]

Are you saying no maft or afc? Could you clarify please?

Don't go over 25 psi with a 50 trim then just run a 2g maf w/ a 1g ecu... The 2g ecu reports 20% less hertz for the same volume airflow. 550s are about 20% larger than stock 1G (and 2G) 450s.

 

[underradar92]

Don't go over 25 psi with a 50 trim then just run a 2g maf w/ a 1g ecu... The 2g ecu reports 20% less hertz for the same volume airflow. 550s are about 20% larger than stock 1G (and 2G) 450s.

Facinating. You did mention drivability issues though, I'd assume to mean idle quality and low/mid rpm throttle response.