4g63 into a neon

[polarexpress17]

might get laughed at for this, but i dont care

i read that a 420A is the 2.0 engine in a dodge neon, the reason i am asking is because my uncle has a neon sitting in front of our house, it needs a transmission, since the 420A is the same motor that is in the RS model eclipse, will the 4g63 fit?

thnxin advance

 

[meliketoball]

I've seen on my local craigslist.com a SRT-4 converted neon. It was pretty cool, he took the motor and tranny obviously, the rims and the the high wing.

 

[skeeter4200]

what salvage yard are you part owner of in Boise ?

 

[dazzellerr]

looks as tho i am doing this swap. found out recently that i am getting the entire drivetrain from the talon for free. anything i need to get this into the neon, i can have.

having a discussion on another forum about dsmlink vs aem, most, if not all are saying to go with the link, but i do like the idea of having full control of fuel, timing, everything. making the car run from the gound up, but the link seems easier and more user friendly.

selling my hahn stage1 16g setup to pay for whatever i need for the car, might even swap in a 6 bolt to stray away from future headaches.

 

[Locke]

If you are going to do this, (I can't really see it being very difficult, if you are building a tube frame) wire in a MSnS (or AEM EMS $$$) as opposed a factory ECU. It would likely be easier than screwing around with the factory harness, and you'd have a speed density system to tune on.

This thread is better suited for the Hangout.

 

[dazzellerr]

If you are going to do this, (I can't really see it being very difficult, if you are building a tube frame) wire in a MSnS (or AEM EMS $$$) as opposed a factory ECU. It would likely be easier than screwing around with the factory harness, and you'd have a speed density system to tune on.

exactly what i was thinking. i want the full standalone, would make installation a breeze for the swap, plus, no piggyback crap to boot. i have a friend here, jake m., who can tune aem in his sleep just a matter of when he would have time. busy busy guy especially this year.

 

[turboglenn]

DSMlink and AEM both have plug-n-play capabilities, but there's a multitude of other good management systesm in between the price ranges of those 2. There's Link systems/PClink, Autronic,Haltech, Motec(motec is higher $$'s than AEM though) And those are just the ones i know work on DSm's because i've installed them. I have a friend making almost 600HP with Link (not dsmlink) and the car is completely drivable on 1000cc injectors and hauls major ass, idles great with 280's and is still a great DD car. And the logging on Link is flat out awesome for ease of reading and printing as it's all numerical. I hate the graph style logs a lot of systems produce.

 

[dsmerfromhell]

just do a entire str4 swap. it's easy as hell and instantly fast. there are 10 or more of them running around up here. best thing to do is buy a wrecked srt4 since you will need the steering column, wiring harness, motor. and some other parts

 

[Shady1687]

you need to get the management system that best fit your needs. you dont have to get dsmlink or aem stand alone if you arnt running high horsepower accplication. if you are running just a normaly daily driver just get a super air flow converter and your fine. theres is so many fuel managemnt systems becasue ther all work with different horsepower goals.

 

[dazzellerr]

just do a entire str4 swap. it's easy as hell and instantly fast. there are 10 or more of them running around up here. best thing to do is buy a wrecked srt4 since you will need the steering column, wiring harness, motor. and some other parts

i know how to do the srt swap, however, i have already stated this, i am getting the talon parts for FREE. i dont have to go spend 600-1k for the motor, 650 for the trans, wire harness, ect ect, and you do not need the column unless you swap out the entire k-frame.

lemme think about this, either buy parts for the srt swap piece by piece, or buy a wrecked srt, both are greater than, oh yeah, FREE.

you need to get the management system that best fit your needs. you dont have to get dsmlink or aem stand alone if you arnt running high horsepower accplication. if you are running just a normaly daily driver just get a super air flow converter and your fine. theres is so many fuel managemnt systems becasue ther all work with different horsepower goals.

like stated previously, car is going to be a tube chassis, not street driven at all, only track runs, autocross but mainly drag. i dont want to hit a brick wall in the future like i did with my neon, and that was boosting a single slam. dohc's are better design, blah blah blah, and i dont want to have to upgrade the tuning management once i get to where i would need to. i understand there are 8-9 second dsm's running other stuff, but i have heard great things about AEM, especially from evil_eagle who is running it with his talon.

what i want to focus on when the car is up and running will not be having to redo the frame, i want it certified to 8.50's. i want to focus on will be to make more power and not worry about tech, tuning woe's, ect ect.

like i said, i understand that the other EMS's out there CAN do the same job, i just dont want to worry about IF it can.

sorry, my ADD kicked in and it is hard to finish this post.

 

[dsmerfromhell]

i know how to do the srt swap, however, i have already stated this, i am getting the talon parts for FREE. i dont have to go spend 600-1k for the motor, 650 for the trans, wire harness, ect ect, and you do not need the column unless you swap out the entire k-frame.

lemme think about this, either buy parts for the srt swap piece by piece, or buy a wrecked srt, both are greater than, oh yeah, FREE.





like stated previously, car is going to be a tube chassis, not street driven at all, only track runs, autocross but mainly drag. i dont want to hit a brick wall in the future like i did with my neon, and that was boosting a single slam. dohc's are better design, blah blah blah, and i dont want to have to upgrade the tuning management once i get to where i would need to. i understand there are 8-9 second dsm's running other stuff, but i have heard great things about AEM, especially from evil_eagle who is running it with his talon.

what i want to focus on when the car is up and running will not be having to redo the frame, i want it certified to 8.50's. i want to focus on will be to make more power and not worry about tech, tuning woe's, ect ect.

like i said, i understand that the other EMS's out there CAN do the same job, i just dont want to worry about IF it can.

sorry, my ADD kicked in and it is hard to finish this post.

well you get the parts for free then you sell them and buy the srt swap shit! Srt swap have far less more headaches. you can use your stock tranny, actually that is the only tranny you can use. The srt-4 tranny is too wide. i know people that were building neons and always breaking the shitty 420a so they tried this swap and thats what everyone is doing now, its great power for cheap.

 

[dazzellerr]

ok, i will put this another way:

i am not swapping srt crap into my car.

 

[firefightermdc]

there's a guy running around (colorado i think??) w/a 4g63t in a civic hatch..so with enough time and money you can do pretty much anything..it'll be fast, but it'll still be a neon. Just cause someone can do it doesn't mean it's cool...I mean, people castrate themselves, but I don't think anyone on here is going to attempt that either

 

[dazzellerr]

exactly, in other words, a great sleeper. (even tho i know you were being sarcastic )

i don't know why people are trying to talk me out of this n all. i dont need money to do the swap, well, not alot of it. doing it all myself. once the tube chassis is finished, there really won't be anything to purchase other than what was messed up in the wreck.

do you all drive a dsm because it looks cool? hell no, maybe part, but mostly cause they have a great platform to work with.

so, to sum up this thread, tsi stuff is going into a tube chassis neon, and running off AEM.

/thread.

 

[dsmconvict]

I've wanted to do crazy 4g swaps into mad cars if I can. Props to ya post up some pics when your done.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

Why hasn't this thread been locked? No offense to the OP.....

 

[firefightermdc]

i drive a 2g cause it looks cool! i've always liked the way they look..I wasn't being sarcastic with the civic joke..that car weighs like 1000lbs less than a dsm(2g) and with the same amount of hp? dropping a thousand pounds is bette than adding 100hp...sleepers are very cool on the other hand

 

[CompuBob_TSi]

my buddy just swapped a turbo neon engine into a old beat up toyota tercel (sleeper style I guess) and the amount of fabrication was intense.. everything from getting exact measurements to custom motor mounts, axles, hubs, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, pedal assembly, shifter assembly, ect.. ect....
so if you are going to swap a motor into something that wasn't designed for it I just hope you have Time, money, and the skills to back it up..

 

[dazzellerr]

i have a buddy that put a turbo'd protege motor, the bpt or whatever, in a 93 festiva. you may have seen it around the net, was last season he had it up and going before he sold the damn thing.
it had ~400whp on a dyno, weighed in ~1500lbs give or take, dont really remember the actuall specifics, anywyas, it trapped 124mph in the 1320 spinning through 3rd with slicks. he only managed to trap 13's with the car, but it was a very capable 11 second pile of crap. thing was scary fast from a roll on the street, took down quite a few evo's.

thing was hideous.

 

[firefightermdc]

to your defense..without crazy a** fabricators like yourself, there would be no DSM family to begin with..the ideas have to start somewhere

 

[kittay]

There's a guy here locally who is swapping all the AWD components and 4g63 into his neon.
I mean pretty much anything can be done w/ enough patience/ money and time...

 

[dazzellerr]

that would be me girly. .
:wavey:

 

[kittay]

that would be me girly. .
:wavey:

Lol.. guess I did a bad job with skimming through
So how's it coming?

 

[dazzellerr]

going ok, just ordered a tubing bender today. $603 and some change. should be here in a week or so. then i can start really tearing into the build and not stop until i gut the talon.
looking at putting the sub frame from the talon in around april or may. i have to do alot of research on this particular motor/trans and ask jake a ton of questions, bug him so bad he will ban my number .

it will be worth it in the end tho.

hell, i may even start a project log on this forum.

 

[rmattingly2004]

If you really want to try this out, go for it. i personally own a 4g63 hybrid, i stuck one in a sebring. though a neon is much smaller, no one would ever expect to see a neon with one. drop the money into it and creat a masterpiece, thats what its all about

 

[kittay]

going ok, just ordered a tubing bender today. $603 and some change. should be here in a week or so. then i can start really tearing into the build and not stop until i gut the talon.
looking at putting the sub frame from the talon in around april or may. i have to do alot of research on this particular motor/trans and ask jake a ton of questions, bug him so bad he will ban my number .

it will be worth it in the end tho.

hell, i may even start a project log on this forum.

I'm sure quite a few people would be interested in a project log!
Have you done measuring to find out if the transfercase will fit under the neon for the awd conversion? Or cut up the driveshaft?