350HP... What can I do without on this list?

[I DSM KILLA I]

Hey everyone!!

So I have a list of everything, and after setting up a budget of $5000 for a 350-400HP build, I am now at $8000+... so any suggestions?


List:

Transmission:

Jack’s Transmission Stage 3.0 EVOIII Cluster Rebuild
4-Spider Diff
New 1-2 & 3-4 Forks
New Input Shaft Bearings
New Center Diff Bearings
Differential front seal
Axle Seal (R AWD, Rear Diff, 88-6/92 FWD)
Differential side bearing
Rear Limited Slip Differential Bearing
Bearing, Rear
Output Shaft/Transfer Case Seal
Transfer Case Tail Seal
Bearing, T/F Drive
Differential Bearing
Bearing, T/F Drive
Clutch Master Cylinder Assy.-2G Turbo
2G Clutch Slave Cylinder
(Some duplicates because some from Jack’s and some from JNZ)

Engine:

Brian Crower 272* Cam Kit (4G63)
Brian Crower Cam Gears, DSM
Brian Crower Intake Valve Set DSM-Standard
Brian Crower Exhaust Valve Set DSM-Standard
Wiseco 1400HD 7 Bolt Piston Set (STD)
7-Bolt Eagle Rods, H Beam (includes ARP 2000 Rod Bolts)
Front Cover/Oil Pump, 7-bolt (includes balance shaft seal, front crank seal, and oil drive gear seal)
Water Pump Kit (2G)
Timing Hydraulic Tensioner (8/95+ DSM)
4G63 Timing Belt (2.0L)
Timing Belt Idler Pulley
Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley
Mitsubishi Multi-Layer Metal Head Gasket
Valve Cover Gasket
Spark Plug Well Gasket
Half Moon Seal (Alum)
Oil Pan Gasket-7 Bolt
Supertech Valve Stem Seal (Exhaust)(Mitsu/Honda) Viton
Supertech Valve Stem Seal (Intake)(Mitsu/Honda) Polyacrylic
Cam Seal
Rear Main Seal (7-bolt)
ACL Race Tri Metal 7 Bolt Rod Bearing Set (DSM/EVO)-STD
ACL Race Tri Metal Main Bearing Set (97-99DSM/EVO)-STD
ACL Aluglide Thrust Washer Set (97-99 DSM/EVO)
BS Elim Kit
Rear Balance Shaft Bearing
Front Balance Shaft Bearing
Oil Pump Stub Shaft
Balance Shaft Sprocket Elimination Spacer
Front Case Cap 1 10.00 10.00T
Mitsubishi OEM Balance Shaft Elimination Kit

Engine (Modifications):

MHI EVO3 16G Turbocharger
Evo 3 Exhaust Manifold
Evo 3 O2 Housing
4 Layer Exhaust Manifold Gasket (DSM/EVO 8/9)
7CM TURBO GSKT
Evo 3 O2 Housing Gasket
HAL ES Hallman ES Kit 1
TIA QR 50mm BOV-Recirc
VRSF FMIC Kit
Road Race Engineers EVOIII Downpipe (Short)
Road Race Engineers High Flow Cat
APEX’i WSII Cat-back Exhaust
Walbro 255LPH
Fuel pressure regulator (not sure of brand yet)
FIC 650cc Injectors



Suspension:

Tokico 5-way Adjustable Shocks & Springs, Set of 4

Front Lateral Arms

MR972465 Front Lateral Arm (Left) 1 39.51 39.51T
MR972466 Front Lateral Arm (Right) 1 39.51 39.51T
MB242334 Bolt, 12*135 2 7.245 14.49T
MS450044 Washer, Spring 12 0.91 0.91T

Front Lower Control Arms

Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(L)
Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(R)
Bolt, 12x35
Bolt, 12x60
Washer, Spring

Front Upper Control Arms

Upper Control Arm, (L) 2G DSM
Upper Control Arm, (R ) 2G DSM

Rear Upper Control Arms

Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (L)
Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (R)
Rear Upper Control Arm Bolt

Rear Lower Link Arms

Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, LH
Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, RH
Bolt (M12 x 107.6mm)
Eccentric Plate
Washer, RR Susp. Assist
Nut

Rear Lower Control Arms

Rear, Lower, Control Arm, 2G
Rear Lower Arm Mounting Bolt
Suspension Nut
Washer, RR Susspension

Rear Trailing Arms

Trailing Arm, Rear, 2G
2G Upper Control Arm Bolt
Washer, RR Susspension
Nut, Front Suspension
Trailing Arm Bolt
Stopper
Stopper
Washer
Suspension Nut





Thanks again!!!!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Usually best to say your making X amount of HP After you do... .Otherwise it's just bench racing... More so when you don't even have said Hp making parts on your car.

look at my parts list now... jerk

 

[dsmrollerz90]

To arrive at 350whp:
Red = delete
Orange = don't have to have, but may help
Green = needed

I agree with this. ^^^^

 

[TimF]

years ago when my moms boyfriend owned the talon a local performance shop said they can do 600hp for 6000$.

 

[pboglio]

Think about durability. A 350-400 w.h.p. DSM with no tranny or engine work isn't exactly reliable. This is why you will be building the car twice, once the cheap way, then the 2nd the right way.

 

[TAL0NTSi]

Extremepsi has a knuckle kit that comes with a new kuckle control arm and lateral arm for$ 108 a side. That will save you a hundred bucks right there

I'm not seeing this on their site. Do you have a link?

 

[Sebba]

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with 'over' building if you have the funds to do so. If you're attempting to build once, and don't care about the money then I say go for it!

You don't have to spend 5-8k just to make 350whp on a 16g though.

 

[SupremeDsm]

Think about durability. A 350-400 w.h.p. DSM with no tranny or engine work isn't exactly reliable. This is why you will be building the car twice, once the cheap way, then the 2nd the right way.

Your wrong! The stock automatic transmission can easily hold that. And have you been seeing what people are doing with the stock block? Go read some faqs please before giving bad advice.

 

[Sebba]

Your wrong! The stock automatic transmission can easily hold that. And have you been seeing what people are doing with the stock block? Go read some faqs please before giving bad advice.

Nobody is saying it can't be done, but realistically can't we conclude the car will be significantly less reliable on your average 100k+ mile stock bottom end?

 

[SupremeDsm]

Nobody is saying it can't be done, but realistically can't we conclude the car will be significantly less reliable on your average 100k+ mile stock bottom end?

Depends on how well the motor was maintained before hand. Its easily achievable.

 

[Sebba]

Depends on how well the motor was maintained before hand. Its easily achievable.

Nevermind.

 

[mebetter]

I would probably switch to the 20g to make the power easier.. If it helps you can look at my mods, I just made 389hp on a dynojet with a 20g, on 93oct gas

On a 20g or FP Green?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I'm not seeing this on their site. Do you have a link?

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

ill be getting these soon also

get an aem uego wideband and a boost controller then get an oil pressure gauge that is not mechanical but electrical

why... mecanical fluid and air gauges are more accurate..

and a forged crank is not cheap or neccessary for OPs build.... AT ALL....and 500 hp wasnt in the title bud... and even if you were trying to make 500hp why the hell would you want a 20g... why not a gt35r?

 

[mattasi]

On a 20g or FP Green?

FP Green. Back when I said 20g I wasn't sure exactly what kind of 20g it was, but I found out later during the turbo rebuild that I actually have a FP Green(old school). If you want 400hp on pump gas then I would use the green.

So just to clarify I made 389hp on the green not a 20g

 

[clipto]

Making 300whp at 19-20psi with just small 16g 550cc injectors and 255 fuel pump.Everything else stock so that should give you an idea how to get 350whp, and I have only spend like $500 I mean I do have a full 3 inch exhaust and fmic so can add another like $400, but I am sure this will give you an idea it's not that hard.There are so many people that ask the same question and they over kill it.Check drag times and search to you will find alot of info on how to make this power range it really is not that hard.Anything bigger then a 16g is more exspensive imo but do get a solid 350whp on pump gas you may need a little more then what the 16g will put out.You can probably make 350whp with E85 or race gas.You will be pushing the 16g hard on pump gas and probably not get like 300-300 with 272 cams.

 

[pboglio]

Your wrong! The stock automatic transmission can easily hold that. And have you been seeing what people are doing with the stock block? Go read some faqs please before giving bad advice.

The O.P. has a 5-speed. I have broken a stock automatic DSM tranny, they ain't that strong. Haven't seen other people's stock blocks, I run my own.

I've read the faqs, thanks though.

 

[lauj2gdsm]

engine build seems nice.. but looks like your cheaping out on your turbo and fuel..

why do such a dramatic build if your just gonna run the 16g.. your better off with your stock 7bolt and some arp head studs.

 

[MY1GDSM]

look at my parts list now... jerk

So your mod list changed over the last six months?

Im missing the point? you realize your goals where easier with a larger turbo?

So you said your gonna make x amount of power with a turbo that you no longer have? So did you?

Not sure how Im jerk or what the point was to respond six months later but I stand by what I said....

 

[Archer Fabrications]

So your mod list changed over the last six months?

Im missing the point? you realize your goals where easier with a larger turbo?

So you said your gonna make x amount of power with a turbo that you no longer have? So did you?

Not sure how Im jerk or what the point was to respond six months later but I stand by what I said....

i said i was planning to make 400 hp and you said i didnt have the list or parts to support that. it was a scarcastic comment; hence the "sneaky" emoticon. what im saying now is.. yes i do have those... jerk

Usually best to say your making X amount of HP After you do... .Otherwise it's just bench racing... More so when you don't even have said Hp making parts on your car.

 

[stars]

All then your missing is a up to date life insurance policy and updated will =). Wow how fast do you need to go to the store for milk nowadays.....I believe 9 seconds should be fast enough don't ya think.

 

[Calan]

Wow how fast do you need to go to the store for milk nowadays.....I believe 9 seconds should be fast enough don't ya think.

I dunno....I can do some pretty serious jonesing for milk.

 

[MY1GDSM]

i said i was planning to make 400 hp and you said i didnt have the list or parts to support that. it was a scarcastic comment; hence the "sneaky" emoticon. what im saying now is.. yes i do have those... jerk

im gonna be making 400awhp with my Evo3 16g and a good tune

Big diffance between Planning on and Gonna Be... .

I think you missed the whole point.

I didn't care and don't care if the parts where or are or are not still...

Hence the bench racing comment

But whatever... .

 

[crazytsiawd]

get a boost gauge and wideband, dsmlink, 650s with a 255 pump, throw an evo3 16g on there, and you sir are good to go for 350.