350HP... What can I do without on this list?

[I DSM KILLA I]

Hey everyone!!

So I have a list of everything, and after setting up a budget of $5000 for a 350-400HP build, I am now at $8000+... so any suggestions?


List:

Transmission:

Jack’s Transmission Stage 3.0 EVOIII Cluster Rebuild
4-Spider Diff
New 1-2 & 3-4 Forks
New Input Shaft Bearings
New Center Diff Bearings
Differential front seal
Axle Seal (R AWD, Rear Diff, 88-6/92 FWD)
Differential side bearing
Rear Limited Slip Differential Bearing
Bearing, Rear
Output Shaft/Transfer Case Seal
Transfer Case Tail Seal
Bearing, T/F Drive
Differential Bearing
Bearing, T/F Drive
Clutch Master Cylinder Assy.-2G Turbo
2G Clutch Slave Cylinder
(Some duplicates because some from Jack’s and some from JNZ)

Engine:

Brian Crower 272* Cam Kit (4G63)
Brian Crower Cam Gears, DSM
Brian Crower Intake Valve Set DSM-Standard
Brian Crower Exhaust Valve Set DSM-Standard
Wiseco 1400HD 7 Bolt Piston Set (STD)
7-Bolt Eagle Rods, H Beam (includes ARP 2000 Rod Bolts)
Front Cover/Oil Pump, 7-bolt (includes balance shaft seal, front crank seal, and oil drive gear seal)
Water Pump Kit (2G)
Timing Hydraulic Tensioner (8/95+ DSM)
4G63 Timing Belt (2.0L)
Timing Belt Idler Pulley
Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley
Mitsubishi Multi-Layer Metal Head Gasket
Valve Cover Gasket
Spark Plug Well Gasket
Half Moon Seal (Alum)
Oil Pan Gasket-7 Bolt
Supertech Valve Stem Seal (Exhaust)(Mitsu/Honda) Viton
Supertech Valve Stem Seal (Intake)(Mitsu/Honda) Polyacrylic
Cam Seal
Rear Main Seal (7-bolt)
ACL Race Tri Metal 7 Bolt Rod Bearing Set (DSM/EVO)-STD
ACL Race Tri Metal Main Bearing Set (97-99DSM/EVO)-STD
ACL Aluglide Thrust Washer Set (97-99 DSM/EVO)
BS Elim Kit
Rear Balance Shaft Bearing
Front Balance Shaft Bearing
Oil Pump Stub Shaft
Balance Shaft Sprocket Elimination Spacer
Front Case Cap 1 10.00 10.00T
Mitsubishi OEM Balance Shaft Elimination Kit

Engine (Modifications):

MHI EVO3 16G Turbocharger
Evo 3 Exhaust Manifold
Evo 3 O2 Housing
4 Layer Exhaust Manifold Gasket (DSM/EVO 8/9)
7CM TURBO GSKT
Evo 3 O2 Housing Gasket
HAL ES Hallman ES Kit 1
TIA QR 50mm BOV-Recirc
VRSF FMIC Kit
Road Race Engineers EVOIII Downpipe (Short)
Road Race Engineers High Flow Cat
APEX’i WSII Cat-back Exhaust
Walbro 255LPH
Fuel pressure regulator (not sure of brand yet)
FIC 650cc Injectors



Suspension:

Tokico 5-way Adjustable Shocks & Springs, Set of 4

Front Lateral Arms

MR972465 Front Lateral Arm (Left) 1 39.51 39.51T
MR972466 Front Lateral Arm (Right) 1 39.51 39.51T
MB242334 Bolt, 12*135 2 7.245 14.49T
MS450044 Washer, Spring 12 0.91 0.91T

Front Lower Control Arms

Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(L)
Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(R)
Bolt, 12x35
Bolt, 12x60
Washer, Spring

Front Upper Control Arms

Upper Control Arm, (L) 2G DSM
Upper Control Arm, (R ) 2G DSM

Rear Upper Control Arms

Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (L)
Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (R)
Rear Upper Control Arm Bolt

Rear Lower Link Arms

Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, LH
Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, RH
Bolt (M12 x 107.6mm)
Eccentric Plate
Washer, RR Susp. Assist
Nut

Rear Lower Control Arms

Rear, Lower, Control Arm, 2G
Rear Lower Arm Mounting Bolt
Suspension Nut
Washer, RR Susspension

Rear Trailing Arms

Trailing Arm, Rear, 2G
2G Upper Control Arm Bolt
Washer, RR Susspension
Nut, Front Suspension
Trailing Arm Bolt
Stopper
Stopper
Washer
Suspension Nut





Thanks again!!!!

 

[TWOpointFORliter]

Everyone is hating on this guy for his $8000 price tag with only a goal of 350hp. No one on here knows the condition he bought the car in and not everyone picks the cheap route. I for example have over 20k into my car and only sit at 350hp. My car is however brand new in the sense that every engine component, transmission/drivetrain part, sensor, bushings, and just about every nut and bolt has less than 10,000 miles on it. My car runs and drives flawlesly. I trust my car 100% to not leave me stranded and wouldn't hesitat to drive it cross country.

With that said, to the OP that list looks good to me. It's all in what you want to get out of the car. You want a turn key reliable DD or do you want a 350hp car the clunkabandon make noise on every bump you drive over and may leave you stranded.

 

[delta448]

The original question was "what can I do without on this list?", we didn't have any background on the rest of the car or it's current state of repair. Now that we do, we see that the rest of his parts suggestions aren't unreasonable.

 

[tonyseagle]

Isn't it extremely difficult to make a 16g hit 350whp? I mean, I know it has been done, but is it worth it to tell him to keep it? I say go with a bigger turbo for his 350hp goal. As soon as he hits 350...he will want more .

 

[skatershawn]

The list is A OK in my eyes!
Its as if he wants to restore it and i see no problem doing so if the money is there for it!
As much as i LOVE to go fast, i would REALLY Love to look nice, drive comfortable, AND go Fast!

But if you are only looking to get 350awhp out of this, then all parts are not necessary but a bigger turbo, bigger fuel injectors, rewired fuel pump/190lph/255lph, way to tune and log, better flowing exhaust, better flowing intake, and maybe a nice intercooler! Turn the boost up, tune for more boost and fuel, and you should be on your way!

Isn't it extremely difficult to make a e16g hit 350whp? I mean, I know it has been done, but is it worth it to tell him to keep it? I say go with a bigger turbo for his 350hp goal. As soon as he hits 350...he will want more .

And no, i don't believe its that difficult. But what are you recommendations on turbo? gt35r(have you seen the price tag?) HX35(have to do some work for fitment) IMO if his goals are ONLY 350awhp than i think with proper tuning and setup the e16g is great, but if his plans may change for more power, i would invest in something bigger now! But the e16g will get you there!!
Other Turbos may get you there easier because your cranking the boost high, pushing more air, and adding more fuel with a less detailed safe tune.
I would do some precise tuning on the e16g to get 350awhp if that is you permanent goal! IMO again.

 

[mrfister11]

check out peoples mod list and time slips... there are plenty of guys running stock engines with 16g and even a 14b running in the mid 11s... should be around 300-350 hp.. better to see true results instead of peoples opinions. but also is personal preference... and how much money you have/willing to spend.. if you have 100k sitting in the bank ready to be blown on a car.. go ahead and do it.. also you might look into the classifieds and help some dsm members out by buying their stuff.. if you havent already thought of that.... again this is my opinion just like every other reply..

 

[laserspeeddemon]

My E316g @ 18 psi dynoed 357AWHP with mild mods and a tune and around 400AWHP with 1050cc injectors and a better tune @ 22 psi, this is claims of the previous owner, but I DO have a dynosheet from the shop that tuned it.

NONE of the list is needed to reach 350 AWHP. Lets just assume the car is in tip-top condition. The car wouldn't need more than Hard pipe intake, 16g @ 20-22 psi, FMIC kit, full 3" exhaust, ported the cast iron bits, Walboro 255lph, 660cc injectors (could get away with 550cc apparently), ACT2100 and DSMLink (or SAFC), Would also need Boost and WBAF Gauge...maybe cams

**edit** oh and a good tune.

 

[DWR-DSM]

If I plan on building any dsm, It will have a built long block, and transmission.

 

[Zdrummer15]

I feel like it definitely wouldn't hurt to go with something more than a 16g. If you want 350-400 whp on 93, you better have a damn good tuner because 350 is already on the high end and without e85, I highly doubt you'll get 400 out of that turbo. I would step it up to a 20g, HX-35, or something in that range.

What are your goals for this car anyway? Other than power goals, you haven't given us much of an idea. If you just want numbers and aren't going to track it anytime soon, then you can wait on the suspension and save a lot of money right there. Even if you are going to do any type of racing, I would revise that suspension list. I would also say go with bigger injectors. Are they 100% needed? No, but the insurance is nice, especially if you eventually want to switch to e85. As long as you are running ECUflash or ECMLink, you can pretty much go as big as you want and the price difference won't be that big.

Ultimately, if the car were in good running condition with maintenance up to date, I would go with a 20g, FMIC, tuning, 850cc injectors, Walbro 255, afpr, intake, 3" turbo-back exhaust, boost gauge, oil pressure gauge, wideband, ARP headstuds, ACT2600, and all the little things that go along with those parts. That will get you your power goal with a good tune.

 

[I DSM KILLA I]

Everyone is hating on this guy for his $8000 price tag with only a goal of 350hp. No one on here knows the condition he bought the car in and not everyone picks the cheap route. I for example have over 20k into my car and only sit at 350hp. My car is however brand new in the sense that every engine component, transmission/drivetrain part, sensor, bushings, and just about every nut and bolt has less than 10,000 miles on it. My car runs and drives flawlesly. I trust my car 100% to not leave me stranded and wouldn't hesitat to drive it cross country.

With that said, to the OP that list looks good to me. It's all in what you want to get out of the car. You want a turn key reliable DD or do you want a 350hp car the clunkabandon make noise on every bump you drive over and may leave you stranded.

Exactly my thoughts. I want a daily driver that can hold its own but drive like a higher end luxury car (don't hate on that ). It is going to be as sleeper as I can get which is why I chose the APEXi WSII. It is supposed to be the quietest out there.

The original question was "what can I do without on this list?", we didn't have any background on the rest of the car or it's current state of repair. Now that we do, we see that the rest of his parts suggestions aren't unreasonable.

Yes I am sorry for not doing that in the first place. Here is the whole story. I bought this in January 2007 for $14,000 from the dealer (yea I know I was stupid) with only 48,000 miles. It was owned by a 40 something year old lady who kept the car in pristine condition and got it routinely serviced (3000 mile oil changes, timing belt changed at 36,000, wrote down eveytime she got gas in a journal, etc). I fell on hard times in April of 2008 and kept the car in decent condition. Between about February 2009 to November 2010, the car was driven to its breaking point just doing mainly fluid changes only. In November 2010, the car started spewing (<-- spelling?) trans fluid and apparently the end bearing failed and the car has been sitting until it got towed to my local votech in May.

I want to get it back to the condition I bought it in since this was at one point my favorite vehicle to drive and now that I am back on my feet, and have the money, no better time then now right?



The mods is to up the horsepower that I believe should have came stock on this beautiful car. Just like I am adding a premium sound system and full black interior, new windows (luckly my windshield got shattered at the votech so they're paying for it ), and tint to go along with them.

I value all of your opinions by the way and welcome the critiques as helpful advice.

 

[97-TSi-Hx35]

350hp is easily attainable, with a bigger turbo and fuel system. I have $8500 in my build and I'm over 500hp at 30psi and I ran low 12's on 20psi soft launch at a mile high! you definitely do not need a built block especially a built 7 bolt, a performance crank shaft will not help prevent crank walk, its just gonna be more of a loss when it decides to leave the front of your block.

On the other hand the the jacks transmission is not a bad investment considering all dsm transmissions are junk from the factory, but I would suggest the 2.1 over the 3.0 is just way over kill.

 

[I DSM KILLA I]

On the other hand the the jacks transmission is not a bad investment considering all dsm transmissions are junk from the factory, but I would suggest the 2.1 over the 3.0 is just way over kill.

Just to clarify, it's not the 3.0 trans just the 3.0 cluster build. The only reason I am looking at this is that I desperately want the EVOIII gears...

 

[mattasi]

I would probably switch to the 20g to make the power easier.. If it helps you can look at my mods, I just made 389hp on a dynojet with a 20g, on 93oct gas

 

[I DSM KILLA I]

I would probably switch to the 20g to make the power easier.. If it helps you can look at my mods, I just made 389hp on a dynojet with a 20g, on 93oct gas

I am thinking if the EVOIII 16G, EVOIII Exhaust Manifold, and EVOIII O2 Housing are ported, this would give me equivalent/better power than a 20G slapped on the stock manifolds correct?

 

[97-TSi-Hx35]

Just to clarify, it's not the 3.0 trans just the 3.0 cluster build. The only reason I am looking at this is that I desperately want the EVOIII gears...

ohh got ya...

 

[I DSM KILLA I]

ohh got ya...

Yea I had to dig deep into the website for this kit...

But thanks a bunch to Tim at Jacks Transmissions and Paul at JNZ Tuning for helping me with the parts lists!!

 

[97-TSi-Hx35]

well good luck to you man, sounds like you have some good parts on those lists!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Isn't it extremely difficult to make a 16g hit 350whp? .

im gonna be making 400awhp with my Evo3 16g and a good tune

 

[TWOpointFORliter]

im gonna be making 400awhp with my Evo3 16g and a good tune

Good luck it's not as easy as you may think.

 

[MY1GDSM]

im gonna be making 400awhp with my Evo3 16g and a good tune

Usually best to say your making X amount of HP After you do... .Otherwise it's just bench racing... More so when you don't even have said Hp making parts on your car.

 

[lordofwar1441]

sure seems like a lot of part for oonly 350 to 400hp.
thats what im shooting for but im only planing on spending 2Gs at the most. i dont think ## gonna need most of tho part for only 400hp ## looking at like 800hp.

 

[Boostinsideways]

Brian Crower Cam Gears, DSM
Mitsubishi Multi-Layer Metal Head Gasket go with cometic. Should save about 40$
Road Race Engineers EVOIII Downpipe (Short)
Road Race Engineers High Flow Cat
APEX’i WSII Cat-back Exhaust

Have an exhaust shop fab up your exhaust. Probably do it for half the cost.

Front Lateral Arms

MR972465 Front Lateral Arm (Left) 1 39.51 39.51T
MR972466 Front Lateral Arm (Right) 1 39.51 39.51T
MB242334 Bolt, 12*135 2 7.245 14.49T
MS450044 Washer, Spring 12 0.91 0.91T

Front Lower Control Arms

Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(L)
Front Lower Control Arm (2G DSM)(R)
Bolt, 12x35
Bolt, 12x60
Washer, Spring

Front Upper Control Arms

Upper Control Arm, (L) 2G DSM
Upper Control Arm, (R ) 2G DSM

Rear Upper Control Arms

Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (L)
Rear Upper Control Arm (2G DSM) (R)
Rear Upper Control Arm Bolt

Rear Lower Link Arms

Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, LH
Lower Rear Control Arm, 2G AWD, RH
Bolt (M12 x 107.6mm)
Eccentric Plate
Washer, RR Susp. Assist
Nut

Rear Lower Control Arms

Rear, Lower, Control Arm, 2G
Rear Lower Arm Mounting Bolt
Suspension Nut
Washer, RR Susspension

Rear Trailing Arms

Trailing Arm, Rear, 2G
2G Upper Control Arm Bolt
Washer, RR Susspension
Nut, Front Suspension
Trailing Arm Bolt
Stopper
Stopper
Washer
Suspension Nut

Is all that stuff worn out? Or are you just replacing for shits and giggles? I think unless its worn out this money would be much much better spent for an energy suspension bushing kit.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

this one is probably closed..

 

[viprez586]

Engine (Modifications):

MHI EVO3 16G Turbocharger.......Good
Evo 3 Exhaust Manifold..... dont need this
Evo 3 O2 Housing............. dont need this
4 Layer Exhaust Manifold Gasket (DSM/EVO 8/9) get a felpro perma-torque Head gasket
7CM TURBO GSKT...... yes
Evo 3 O2 Housing Gasket.....yes
HAL ES Hallman ES Kit 1..... is this a boost controller?
TIA QR 50mm BOV-Recirc you dont need recirc if your running DSMLink (1g bov will do fine too)
VRSF FMIC Kit........
Road Race Engineers EVOIII Downpipe (Short)....... go with megan
Road Race Engineers High Flow Cat............... go with megan down pipe with cat delete
APEX'i WSII Cat-back Exhaust.... this is hella expensive..
Walbro 255LPH .... yes
Fuel pressure regulator (not sure of brand yet).... you dont NEED this
FIC 650cc Injectors .......get 880's

Quit posting nonsense. You need a AFPR to run the walbro 255. Lurk and do your homework before you give advice. He mentioned a 4 layer exhaust manifold gasket and your telling him what headgasket to run.


OP, invest in a nice pump gas turbo. The E316G is fun but harder to tune for pump gas.
If you want a balls to the wall street turbo, HT86A FTMFW!

I am thinking if the EVOIII 16G, EVOIII Exhaust Manifold, and EVOIII O2 Housing are ported, this would give me equivalent/better power than a 20G slapped on the stock manifolds correct?

No, research CFM, flow, compressor maps, etc.

Porting ain't gonna make you tons of power, though will help with spool up.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Quit posting nonsense. You need a AFPR to run the walbro 255. Lurk and do your homework before you give advice. He mentioned a 4 layer exhaust manifold gasket and your telling him what headgasket to run.


OP, invest in a nice pump gas turbo. The E316G is fun but harder to tune for pump gas.
If you want a balls to the wall street turbo, HT86A FTMFW!



No, research CFM, flow, compressor maps, etc.

Porting ain't gonna make you tons of power, though will help with spool up.

misread the gasket sorry, and no you do not NEED a FPR with a wally 255, i have a 255HP and i was running that on my 450s and t-25 for a long time with not a single issue... no fuel cut had fine A/f's... so no you do not NEED it but is probably a good thing to have if you have a larger turbo, just thought id rebuttle what you said as this got lost in my other posts ha

 

[wranglerunner22]

I am thinking if the EVOIII 16G, EVOIII Exhaust Manifold, and EVOIII O2 Housing are ported, this would give me equivalent/better power than a 20G slapped on the stock manifolds correct?

That would be a question for Justin. Personally I would run a tubemani of some sort with either.