3065 now an expensive paperwight?

[Precision]

2300 miles of no complaints and now this. I drove the car for 2000 miles takeing it easy and a couple of weeks ago I sarted getting on it a bit, only running 13psi because my HKS EVC IV won't get out of learn mode. But after being out on a crusie today I droped a friend off and spooled her up as I was leaving. 1st gear only mind you, let off around 6800 or so. As the motor came down to a low cruising RPM I notice a odd noise. Only living two blocks away I proceded home and poped the hood. An odd high piched noise was comming form the front of the motor. Not being able to pin-point the noise I shut the car off. Thats when I came to the horiffic conclusion that my turbo was makeing this god forsaken noise. Usualy it's a nice whistle comming from the tail and intake pipe, but this time it sounds like a squikie hapster wheel

After removeing the FP intake pipe the turbo has a modist amount of shaft play, then I notice the very light almost unnoticable signs of wheel to housing contact.....trying not to cry I start the car again, yup my FP3065 is now the loudest hampster wheel in the midwest

I know the turbo is now going to have to come off and probly be shipped down to Brian@FP. A new 3045 center cartrage is $700 Hopefully it can be saved?

My question is dose anyone know what would cause this, was it the shock of the drive train loading and unloading (because the tires did spin) posably oil contamination, somthing went thought the turbine housing?

Any thoughts?

 

[Tx97GSX]

Did you just go through a motor rebuild?? Someone I know had the same issue and blew 2 turbos because he didn't want to be believe me that he was starving the turbos of oil. Where do you have your oil feed line tapped into?

 

[Precision]

Yes the motor was just rebuilt, and I'm pullling the oil for the turbo from the head, just as FP recomends.

 

[94awdcoupe]

Yes the motor was just rebuilt, and I'm pullling the oil for the turbo from the head, just as FP recomends.

Were you running an inline oil filter? Because if you werent, I can almost guarantee your turbo is a victim from metal shavings. On a fresh motor, you should not run a brand new turbo without an inline oil filter to trap the metal shavings. Hopefully, FP will warranty your turbo, but once they tear it open, they will know the cause of the failure and you will have an expensive paperweight. Sorry about your luck. Hope it all works out.

 

[bryanwheat]

they reccomended taking it from the head, that is a little wiered, that is the only time that i have had a turbo go out is when using the supply from the head, after i switched to the oil filter housing, whick provides a good clean, fresh oil supply to the turbo, as opposed to the head, which has to go all the way thru the motor. I would say that is probably the reasoning for yous turbo going out. Possibly a clogged passage, or metal in the oil, was the head resurfaced, and if so did you take compressed air and blow the passages out when you got it back? MAchine shops around here never blow the passages out after a resurface. I always have to do it, and there is always metal shavings in the oil.

 

[Precision]

The motor had 1000 miles on it before I put on the 3065, and I changed the oil and flushed an extra quart thought it before I started it with the new turbo. Sadly you may be right.

Being that the new CC is 700 I have considerd upgradeing to the 3575 for an aditonal $400. Don't know, I'll have to see what FP tells me when they get it this week.

 

[Precision]

Possibly a clogged passage, or metal in the oil, was the head resurfaced, and if so did you take compressed air and blow the passages out when you got it back? MAchine shops around here never blow the passages out after a resurface. I always have to do it, and there is always metal shavings in the oil.

I acctualy do all of my own work because my father has owned a machine shop for over 35 years now. As far as metal being left in the head from resurfacing, porting, ect. All of the oil gally plugs were removed and the head was washed twice for 60 miunets each time in a jet washer. After that I made shure to wash the whole head with soapy water and then rinse with clean water. On top of all of that I blow dry the head with filtered compressed air. If there was anything left in the head I would be suprised.

Kind of a leave no stone unturned sort of thig, this is a thing that I do for every head that comes thought my shop.

 

[daren_p]

If you weren't running an inline oil supply filter, that is more then likely the cause of your turbos death, espically since you are running it on a recent built motor. With a fresh motor you are going to get small metal particles as everything "breaks" in, this is why they don't recommend using your "good" turbo during motor break in & if you must run your good turbo you need a good inline filter that you clean frequently during motor break in to prevents clogs and oil starvation from the center section. Your drivtrain "shock" won't have anything to do with the failure. Before running the turbo for the first time did you prime it with oil before starting the motor?

 

[Precision]

Yeah primed the motor for 5 mins. The only reason why I was wondering about drive train shock is because the bad barring is the turbine side, the compresser is still ok.

I took her off today and the CC is deff shot

 

[1fast97gsx]

If your evc IV won't go out of learn mode then you have major boost leak problems. Fix those and try again, I guarantee it will work fine. Well once you replace the turbo ;-)

 

[TargeT]

on a side note, the sugestions of an inline oil filter need to also mention that you HAVE to check your inline oil filter regularly. these can clog up rather easily (random bits of silicone, metal shavings what have you..) and will starve yoru turbo for sure..

so while the inline filter is a good idea. it also is very neccisary for you to check that filter (Often!!)!

also, oil is fed from the head due to a ballbearing turbo's special oil needs. oil from the oil filter housing is too high pressure & will ruin a BB turbo.

 

[AL92]

Reading this thread with a lot of interest.I just got an FP3065 myself .its almost on their and I just built a 2.4.
I dont have a 14b to break in the motor with and not going to try to adapt my t25 to it dont' think.
I do have an inline filter from fp and have bought a magnetic drain plug and ordering this filtermag thing that goes on the oil filter for extra security.

I do have a question though.The fp line from head is supposed to have a .8 restrictor for the FP BB turbos. Thats clear but the inline filter they sell also has a .8 inline supposedly for BB TURBOS.On their site it says to drill out the restrictor in the oil filter if you run it off the head. But its not very clear.so if you have the line restricted you can drill out the filter restriction or you can leave it in or what. ?

This post is making me a bit paranoid about my new turbo. Anyone else had problems with a new BB turbo running a inline oil filter on a new motor?

 

[pushin_gsx]

Makes perfect sense why my 16g magically blew on my new motor rebuild..

 

[AL92]

Talked to fp tech support and they clarified things.Guess they don't run a .8 restrictor in the oil feed off head line anymore but they do have one in the oil flter.So recommended leave it in the filter and don't drill it out for the fp turbos. So that clears that up.

They also said that the inline should be enough to protect the engine from damage due to new motor.

As said I primed engine on the stand with no turbo, will of course turn over engine without starting as they said to prime turbo as well and will be changing out oil and filter at 30 minutes,100 or 200 miles and 500 and 2000 miles.

I have the inline filter, magnetic drainplug and filtermag on order for my car.
Think site is www.filtermag.com

 

[DSM90AWD]

My question is dose anyone know what would cause this, was it the shock of the drive train loading and unloading (because the tires did spin) posably oil contamination, somthing went thought the turbine housing?

Any thoughts?

Compresser surge/shock? Is your BOV operating correctly?

 

[11secDSM]

Talked to fp tech support and they clarified things.Guess they don't run a .8 restrictor in the oil feed off head line anymore but they do have one in the oil flter.So recommended leave it in the filter and don't drill it out for the fp turbos. So that clears that up.

If you're getting oil from the head, FP recommends using .125" fitting in the oil feed line. This is a little larger than the .8mm restrictor they recommend from the filter housing.

To the poster, did you have any sort of restrictor in your feed line? This could have led to the premature bearing failure.

 

[Precision]

Compresser surge/shock? Is your BOV operating correctly?

Yes, it is. And to my understanding given that these turbos have an anti-sirge housing it wouldn't really matter.

Spoke to FP today and it looks like a contamination problem or high oil pressure.

 

[AL92]

11 second that dont' make much sense.They had .8 mm restrictor in the oil feed line for these fp turbos in the bolt that goes into the head.So guys running no filter would have that in there before.Now they have no restrictor in the oil feed line so guess they figured it wasn't necessary.The oil filter has a .8 restrictor which they said to leave it.
They were talking drilling it out for use in non bb turbos.The FP3065 is a bb turbo.

So not clear what was being run exactly here. You had a normal line from head but no inline filter right? too high oil pressure usually would just go thru the seals I would think but contaminated oil would damage it.

I may be calling fp again to double check whats up with this stuff. Also no balance shafts can make oil pressure high..read sometimes sky high.I ported my relief housing a bit too try to bring it down closer to stock levels.I have not heard of very many failures on these FP3065s in fact couldn't find one negative post when I ordered mine.

So you fp 3052 or 3065 guys what are running for oil lines,filters,restrictors etc.

 

[Staytuned]

I have the .8mm restrictor on the banjo bolt going to the in-line filter which I bored out to .125mm. I did this after reading on their website that the oil pressure off a 4G63 head was low enough to run without a restrictor. After talking to them about it they recommended that I use the restrictor and they promptly sent me the banjo bolt one.

So far no problems at all.

 

[11secDSM]

11 second that dont' make much sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? I have a 3065 on my car and am running a .125" restrictor from the head. If you call FP, they will tell you that if you don't run one, it will void the warranty plus lead to premature bearing failure due to high oil pressure. Just because their feed line from the head doesn't come with a restrictor doesn't mean the turbo doesn't need one. Give them a call if you don't believe me. I've had nothing but good luck with the turbo.

 

[AL92]

I am not doubting fp just getting a bit of different answers from them. They said that the new oil feed line has no restrictor.That it used to have 8 in the banjo bolt.So ok. A guy runnning just the line off head with no filter would have a 8 restriction.
But the filter also has a 8 restriction but now they said the line doesn't. So ok they told me to just use the filter as is dont' drill it out and have talked to another guy that also used the filter as is. at the 8 setting.
So the .125 may only be necessary for non ball bearing when they are run off the filter which is much higher pressure.
I will call fp today and double check.This is not a cheap turbo and not going to have something happen to it do to my not being clear. I will run the restrictor for sure.I have no balance shafts but ported the oil relief hole in my 2.4. Not sure what effect that has.Think only lowers oil pressure a bit compared to non ported relief hole.
Also wondering how do you clean out that little filter element.compressed air or what?

 

[WikedSicc]

I ran the 3065 on a new motor. I tapped the oil feed from the head on the line that FP sent w/ the turbo. I did not use the inline oil filter. I have no balance shafts and a ported oil releif valve as far as oil goes. My turbo is and has been fine for 12000 miles.

 

[AL92]

Ok Wicked..thats good to know..so you have no filter and same ported refief and new engine also.Wonder if your feed line has that 8 restrictor in the banjo.Not sure when they stopped including that restricted banjo.
And 12,000 miles is pretty good period of time.

 

[WikedSicc]

If it helps, the setup was purchased July '05. By the way, I have heard through the grape vine, that Rob at FP has said the 40 micron inline oil filter is merely a gimic.

 

[94awdcoupe]

If it helps, the setup was purchased July '05. By the way, I have heard through the grape vine, that Rob at FP has said the 40 micron inline oil filter is merely a gimic.

I wish I had pics of all the particles that SILLY filter catches. And this is on a perfectly broke in motor. Anyone who attempts to run a bb turbo without a filter desreves the results.