1995 y series-clutch suggestions

[pazsion]

i would eventually like to have 250-300hp

i have 205's on it. wil probably get wider and larger tires..maybe 20 inch rims sometime in the future..

this one is either going out, or is just inadequate.. it's hard to make up my mind..

sometimes under hard accel, it just slips...other times it locks up predictably, and burns rubber easily. add weight, and it just slips..

I may be going over 200hp or at least over 170hp.. currently.. no dyno's to support this..

i want something to help improve tourque etc..

it must be endurance grade. And be known to last under harsh treatment, and be tested beyond 10k rpm.

As i plan on reaching 12k rpm.. with this motor or another one.. i don't want to have to come back and replace this later..unless it fails of course.

 

[gusu]

i would eventually like to have 250-300hp

i have 205's on it. wil probably get wider and larger tires..maybe 20 inch rims sometime in the future..

this one is either going out, or is just inadequate.. it's hard to make up my mind..

sometimes under hard accel, it just slips...other times it locks up predictably, and burns rubber easily. add weight, and it just slips..

I may be going over 200hp or at least over 170hp.. currently.. no dyno's to support this..

i want something to help improve tourque etc..

it must be endurance grade. And be known to last under harsh treatment, and be tested beyond 10k rpm.

As i plan on reaching 12k rpm.. with this motor or another one.. i don't want to have to come back and replace this later..unless it fails of course.

Street or pure track?

I have a Act 2600 clutch/pressure plate and I'd have to say its amazing.

I have heard lots of people talking about running smaller clutches than the 2600 but with the heavier 2600 pressure plate.

I have a friend that is running a 2100 on his 1g AWD that is making around 250hp.

It would be fine if you aren't looking to upgrade later

Honestly though I'd need more information for a better suggestion.

 

[pazsion]

like what a dyno?

this one is for street use.. but i may have taller gears then stock..
i have reason to believe that a 3.55 final ratio was installed.. i'll have to take a picture of the sticker thingy /transmission.. let yall read the numbers there.. i can't be certain..

there is more off-roading and steep hill climbing then a talon should be put through.. and this is normal conditions xD

i sometimes haul heavy loads as well..4-5 200lb-500lb people or various things that add up to alot of weight.. on average 500lbs to 1000lbs of additional weight, is pulled by this car.. a slipping clutch in this case is both dangerous, and embarrassing..

why wouldn't i want a centrifugal clutch? one with weights that pull the plate to the clutch as well as springs etc to hold it on the plate?

 

[donniekak]

As i plan on reaching 12k rpm

How?

 

[RadDsm]

What is Y series?

I hope you are kidding about 12k RPMS and 20" wheels on your n/t.

 

[pazsion]

haha, no i'm not kidding, the roads around here and not always smooth, larger rims would help smooth it out, even if i have to modify other things or raise the car up a bit.

I've been getting taller sidewalls to get a larger circumfrance so far.. but having huge tires on a car is ugly.. they look like big truck tires... 205/70's right now..


12k rpm? well by pushing the pedal, xD it'll do 10k rpm without a limiter all day until something breaks..so far that has been the timing belt stretching, and the alternater belt coming off the pulleys, probably also stretching..

for sustained duty at these speeds various things will need to be upgraded... I just want to get things that will support the extra power and torque that will be generated from those future upgrades...I plan on building up an entire motor, a 420a.. that will bolt up to the old tranny.. If i can't find or afford tranny+engine..

the clutching system is the #1 thing i can think of that will be under the most strain.. the stock one is either about to go... or i'm makeing too much power for it at this time and it is just inadequit for what i' m asking it to do.

If the transmission itself is not up to task, this will become evident in time, as i get some laps on her.. or extended road time.. I'm starting to think the one i have needs to be replaced anyway...over 230k miles on oem stuff...so maybe i should be priceing street/race transmissions?

anyone try these centerforce clutching systems? that aid in engaugement with weighted pads activated by ccentrifigual force?

why is it asking me to download a spellchecker??

 

[MrP]

10,000 rpm all day?

are we talking about a rx8 here? or a hayabusa?

 

[Tyeler18]

WTF are you talking about here? Larger wheels make a harsher ride, not better and 20's? Both disfunctional and most look just as ugly as truck tires.

10k? You have a virtually stock 420a. I highly doubt you're pushing 10k and 12k is a joke in itself. I don't understand what you are talking about at all. You'd be lucky to be pushing 140whp on that you think a clutch will increase torque? You have a lot of research to do and you need to explain what you're even talking about.

 

[TSI from Hell]

I don't know why it keeps on asking you to download the spell checker, but you should download it and use it.

As far as your question; it's seems a bit ridiculous.. 10k all day at the moment, and you plan on pushing it to 12k? Why? And 20' wheels will look fugly and stoooopid. I think there's better way to go about your goals.

First you'll have to elaborate... You drive around all day with 500-1000lbs of extra weight in your car, going uphill and pushing it up to 10k rmp? Sorry for my reaction but... Whattt da phuk? I think you need an SUV, not a sports car.

 

[TSi Kid]

haha, no i'm not kidding, the roads around here and not always smooth, larger rims would help smooth it out, even if i have to modify other things or raise the car up a bit.

I've been getting taller sidewalls to get a larger circumfrance so far.. but having huge tires on a car is ugly.. they look like big truck tires... 205/70's right now..


12k rpm? well by pushing the pedal, xD it'll do 10k rpm without a limiter all day until something breaks..so far that has been the timing belt stretching, and the alternater belt coming off the pulleys, probably also stretching..

for sustained duty at these speeds various things will need to be upgraded... I just want to get things that will support the extra power and torque that will be generated from those future upgrades...I plan on building up an entire motor, a 420a.. that will bolt up to the old tranny.. If i can't find or afford tranny+engine..

the clutching system is the #1 thing i can think of that will be under the most strain.. the stock one is either about to go... or i'm makeing too much power for it at this time and it is just inadequit for what i' m asking it to do.

If the transmission itself is not up to task, this will become evident in time, as i get some laps on her.. or extended road time.. I'm starting to think the one i have needs to be replaced anyway...over 230k miles on oem stuff...so maybe i should be priceing street/race transmissions?

anyone try these centerforce clutching systems? that aid in engaugement with weighted pads activated by ccentrifigual force?

why is it asking me to download a spellchecker??

I really hoping you're trolling because no one can be this dumb..

 

[InfiniteGSX]

I pray for a better tomorrow! Lol
dude your motor won't touch 12k or even 10 in its prime! Sorry. You would have to destroke it to like. 1.8L or more, have am insane viper priced crank and rods made. A 4G64 stroked down to a 2.1 maybe could hit 10k on a built motor, but your motor is never going to see that.

As for your thing about the wheels, you so far off the grid. Smaller wheels with fat, soft tires and stock suspension is the best ride your going to get for comfort. Smaller tire, the more the suspension and body has to absorb the shock.

 

[pazsion]

WTF are you talking about here? Larger wheels make a harsher ride, not better and 20's? Both disfunctional and most look just as ugly as truck tires.

10k? You have a virtually stock 420a. I highly doubt you're pushing 10k and 12k is a joke in itself. I don't understand what you are talking about at all. You'd be lucky to be pushing 140whp on that you think a clutch will increase torque? You have a lot of research to do and you need to explain what you're even talking about.

larger rims, go over bumps easier, or go over holes and dips entirely.. small tires or rims will hit everything, making it a rougher ride. Taller walls will absorb big impacts much better, like pot holes. small tires will fall into the pot holes more easily, and could pop them. 20" rims look spectacular on talons even if they are swapped fullsize spares from a truck.. i've seen a few, they were even lowered via cut springs...ew!

the stock 420a or 4g63 already does 10k. without a limiter. Or modifications.

though one should definitely beef up the valvetrain. and piston rods. As these weren't meant to exceed 8500. Thats the max suggested rating for the materials used in the 420a. the 4g63 on the other hand used chromoly pistons, rods and cylinder walls. But the valvetrain isn't setup for anything speacial. even the turbo's

reducing stroke length, is one way to go about it, but you lose torque. And then would have to further modify things to get that back. Alot of stuff done, that really shouldn't be needed. And then you still don't have the materials to address the added stresses of higher rpms, so even those swaps/mods are destined to fail. Good ideas tho thank you!

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Dude... just wow! in the words of Kyle on southpark... Really? Go outside and take video of your car touching 10k. Until then you need major schooling in physics, automotive tech, basic and advanced. During the wait you should re think your theories. Because you are far off.

Guarantee you'll snap a rod and shoot it sky high if you attempt this. These motors aren't built for it. Which is why its a very rare subject.

I'll vouch for larger wheels look nicer but 20s kill it. And are just ###. 19s max. But your idea about tire and wheel sizes are completely off. Larger wheels and tires cause harsher ride. And are only good for looks. I'm running extremely lightweight 19x9 wheels and the largest chunk of rubber I could fit safely for maximum handling. My ride with h&r springs and illuminate shocks is amazing. Never had issues with a crappy ride. But pot holes and why not are scary because there is no tire to take the beating and the wheels cost as much as the car.

Think about it.

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[TSi Kid]

the stock 420a or 4g63 already does 10k. without a limiter. Or modifications.

I'll paypal you $50 if you link me a video of your stock nt shifting at 10k.

 

[dsmpat95]

I'll paypal you $50 if you link me a video of your stock nt shifting at 10k.

This guy is a joke. All his posts so far have been jokes.

 

[cookmeup272]

4g63's came with chromoly pistons, rods and cylinder walls? Wow we have been wrong this whole time .

 

[TSi Kid]

4g63's came with chromoly pistons, rods and cylinder walls? Wow we have been wrong this whole time .

It's probably because you didn't get the type R model

 

[RadDsm]

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[4g63tc]

20"s with what tires?

You won't be able run anything with a significant side-wall to smooth out any bumps, and good luck with them fitting.
Enjoy the bent rims from running through potholes.

I run a 19"x 8.5" in the front, and a 19" x 10" in the rear, and that took alot of rolling and pulling in the rear just to get it right, not to mention running a -3 deg camber to ensure tucking from the bumps.

My car is by no means a DD, it's a weekend cruiser, no Drag, or Autox, just more of a fun platform to enjoy.

I think you need to be realistic about the capabilities of your car.

Want 10K RPM? get a rotary
Run 20"s get an SUV
Hydrogen fuel cell...city buses have them
Carbon fiber brakes, F1, or some ridiculously expensive exotic

 

['97boostinGST]

......waahhhh!! 10K!

VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO!