XXR 527 in 18x8.75 -35 offset with 255/35/18 direzza star specs

[rr06rs]

Looking to run this combo for a daily driven setup as the are cheap, fairly light for the price and size, and look good, I think. I just wanted to get some opinions, and possibly see if anyone is running this combo? I know there's a guy running the 18x9.75's with an even MORE aggressive offset and ridiculous stretched wheels. That's not what I'm going for. I'm looking for the most tire I can have while clearing the inner control arms, and having the least amount of "poke". I know they'll stick out about 3mm's, as an 18x8.5 with -38offset and 245/40's sits juuust inside the fenders, of not flush. It's q 99 so I know I won't have inner clearance issues and suspension is prokit with agx so not much drop at all. I'll ofcourse roll and pull the fenders so I think that, with -1 degree of camber should take care of those 3mm's of poke? The car is black and I'm looking at the chromium black. I will also be doing the koni coilover build in the near future. Please share opinions, experience, or any issues you think I'll run into? Thank you!

XXR Wheels: 527 18x8.75 Chromium Black Rims

 

[jtmcinder]

My $.02: if you don't have huge brakes, then you should not run 18s.

(Note that you posted in the handling forum, not the appearance forum.)

 

[rr06rs]

Sorry, I guess I should have specified that I'm looking for info from a handling perspective. While I know 17's would be optimum, these are the daily wheels. I am running EVO brakes, fwiw.

 

[jtmcinder]

Evo X brakes? Then OK. But please note that what most people have when they have "Evo brakes" is a set from an 8 or a 9 and they fit inside 17s.

And to continue being obnoxious, I do not see why these being your daily/street wheels argues for 18s. 17s are less likely to be damaged by bad roads and provide a nicer ride, all else being equal. I just got small brakes for my Evo X and can't wait to dump the 18s for 16s because it's also my DD.

 

[LandoAWD]

Is this an appearance thread? Please let us know before someone gets riled up...

 

[jtmcinder]

Oh, com'on, Kris. You've been around long enough to know exactly what kind of thread this is. It's one of those compromise threads where, on the surface, it's about handling, but, deep down, when it really comes to handling vs appearance, the thread-starter will side with the latter. But he or she just can't bring him- or herself to face this fact - at least, not yet - so he or she will insist that it's about handling and will do anything possible to rationalize why the better-looking set-up (in his or her opinion) is not the one that handles less well.

ps. not sure why I bothered with all the "him or her"s ... these threads are invariably started by males

 

[rr06rs]

Okay. Well can you suggest a couple different lightweight options in 17x9 with -35 to -40 offset that are close to this price point? I REALLY wish the 527's came in 17x8.75, but unfortunately, they are only 8.25 or 9.75, which are a bit small for my taste and WAY too wide in the 9.75's? The brakes are EVO 8, yes. I AM asking from a handling perspective. Personally, I don't feel that just because they are 18's, they can't be a well performing STREET wheel? I had 18x9.5 fn01rc's on my EVO 9 with 265/35's and robispec kw v3's, bushings, and swaybars and I felt like that thing handled like it was on rails and rode great! Maybe my standards are lower than some when it comes to handling? Anyways, what options would be recommended under the $800 range in a lightweight 17x9? TIA!

 

[LandoAWD]

RPF1s?

 

[jtmcinder]

Sure. And thanks for being cool about this.

The Enkei RPF1 comes in a 17x9.5 +38, allowing you to run 245/40/17s with only a little rolling of the rear fender lips. Light, cheap, and strong - even if that is impossible according to the "pick only two" rule. Get them from Tire Rack, mounting free, delivered to your door.

ps. StarSpecs are a great choice; R-S3s are the other good option, but it rains a lot where you are, so stick with the StarSpecs

edit: and Kris beats me to it

mega edit: oops. the OP has a 1G. Have someone verify the correct offset for you; I was talking 2Gs

 

[rr06rs]

Oh, com'on, Kris. You've been around long enough to know exactly what kind of thread this is. It's one of those compromise threads where, on the surface, it's about handling, but, deep down, when it really comes to handling vs appearance, the thread-starter will side with the latter. But he or she just can't bring him- or herself to face this fact - at least, not yet - so he or she will insist that it's about handling and will do anything possible to rationalize why the better-looking set-up (in his or her opinion) is not the one that handles less well.

ps. not sure why I bothered with all the "him or her"s ... these threads are invariably started by males

Not at all. Not looking to argue about anything. Would just like some options around the pricepoint that would be a good performing daily wheel in the 9 inch width range. This is really the only thing I'd like to stay firm to really. As I stated, if these came in a 17x8.75 or 9" option, they would have been my first choice.

Sure. And thanks for being cool about this.

The Enkei RPF1 comes in a 17x9.5 +38, allowing you to run 245/40/17s with only a little rolling of the rear fender lips. Light, cheap, and strong - even if that is impossible according to the "pick only two" rule. Get them from Tire Rack, mounting free, delivered to your door.

ps. StarSpecs are a great choice; R-S3s are the other good option, but it rains a lot where you are, so stick with the StarSpecs

edit: and Kris beats me to it

mega edit: oops. the OP has a 1G. Have someone verify the correct offset for you; I was talking 2Gs

Actually, these are for my 2g. I haven't updated my profile, sorry about that. I thought about rpf1's but isn't 9.5 a little too wide? 245 seems like a small tire for that rim. Also, do you think the 17x9.75's would be too wide? Thats not too far off from 9.5"?

Nm the 9.75 actually, as it only comes in a -25 offset. Ok, so...pricing the enkeis, 17x9's and 9.5's are both more than TWICE the price of these XXR's. I understand you can't have it all, but are there ANY other options out there for a 17x9-9.5, under 21lbs, in a -35-40 offset. If not, I think I'll have to take my chances the XXR's. The 18's on my EVO were great. I plan on eventually spending the money for a light weight 17x9-9.5 for track duty, but for a daily driver wheel I just can't bring myself to justify spending more than $700-$800 TOPS for wheels that'll bet beat up, kicks, chips, possible curbage and all the other abuse a daily driven wheel goes through.

 

[jtmcinder]

Whether a 245/40/17 should be on a 9 or 9.5"-wide wheel is debated (a lot). If you look at what the fastest STU cars are on, for example, it's about 50/50 and seems to depend on the tire. Some tires like a wide wheel for a 40 profile; some don't care so much. I, personally, used a 9"-wide wheel for 245/40s and was quite happy. To be honest, it's simply that I had a piece of paper right in front me with the 17x9.5 RPF1s on it when I posted. But I know that you can find 17x9 +38s, too, without having to shell out for Works, Advans, or Rays. It's a popular size. Worst case, gets some Rotas. You'll have people ragging on you and warning you that they'll bend, but I've never seen that in person and they are some of the few aftermarket wheels that can be found in a 67.1 centerbore, eliminating the need for rings.

Another good, cheap option is VarrsToen. I think that they're Rays knock-offs, but they are cheap and relatively light and relatively strong.

 

[tlcoolj]

I have the xxr 530 18X8.75 -35 wheels on my car, I run 225's on them, you could run 235's, but much wider could rub on the inner suspension. You need to roll the lip on the inside of the rear fenders to avoid rubbing. I have the camber set to factory spec, so a little negative camber in the back and 0 on the front. They do poke out a bit in the front, so I've considered adding a bit of negative camber to make it look right, but it's not necessary. From an appearance standpoint I prefer 18's if you want the 527's don't let anyone talk you out of them. At the end of the day it's your car. I like my wheels, I know they're not the most expensive but they look good.

 

[rr06rs]

Thank you for posting the pics! I've been reinforce to find someone running the 8.75 +35's on a 2g. It's disapointing to hear about the tire fitment though. I really want to run 255's. If you're saying just 235's are pushing it, then I think the 527's might be out of the question for me. I looked at the rotas and from what I found, they were running right around $1k for 17x9's with a +35 offset, which again, is double the price of the XXR's. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I'd rather do either the rpf1, NT03m, or fn01rc in 17x9. Even with those, +35 is the only option it seems I simply cannot find a lightweight 17x9 in a +38 offset without stepping up seriously to work, advan, or gramlights?

 

[Ludachris]

Oh, com'on, Kris. You've been around long enough to know exactly what kind of thread this is. It's one of those compromise threads where, on the surface, it's about handling, but, deep down, when it really comes to handling vs appearance, the thread-starter will side with the latter. But he or she just can't bring him- or herself to face this fact - at least, not yet - so he or she will insist that it's about handling and will do anything possible to rationalize why the better-looking set-up (in his or her opinion) is not the one that handles less well.

ps. not sure why I bothered with all the "him or her"s ... these threads are invariably started by males

It's funny seeing you go through all that effort and extra typing to be PC... while being passive aggressive in the same post.

As they've said, the RPF-1 are probably the best choice out there for a lightweight, inexpensive wheel. I found some cheap Evo X wheels, 18x8.5" with +38 offset for my Talon, which look nice. Don't know the weight, but they have an OEM fit:

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[jtmcinder]

Being passive/aggressive is not work for me; it's easier than being either nice or mean.

Why are we back to 18" wheels?

Evo X GSR Enkeis weigh 22#.

If you got a set of clean Evo X GSR wheels for under $600, you got a bargain. I'll probably get $700+ for my powder-coated set and, maybe, $450 for the scuffed-up set. (Not that I'm turning this into a FS thread, tee hee.)

 

[rr06rs]

So do you feel that there will be a huge decline in handling using the 18x8.75 opposed to a 17x9? Also, I know you mentioned brakes but would it be that much of an impact with the 1" difference with a setup near the same weight as stock and based on this chart, only .6% larger diameter than stock when running a 255/35?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre...tions/286685-will-these-wheels-tires-fit.html

On a side note, I did come across a 17x9 in +38 offset at a very affordable pricepoint. They are work emotion knockoffs. Only negative, which is kinda a big one is weight. They weigh 22lbs...slightly heavier than the XXR's in 18". Not sure if I can look past that.....

Drag Wheels - DR31 17x9 5x100/5x114.3 +38mm - Charcoal Gray (Set of 4 Wheels)

 

[Dyesuperman]

You guys are missing out on one fact with the RPF1s...they won't fit over the front evo brakes in a 17x9 (or 9.5) without spacers. At least that is what I have come up with in my research because I wanted to run the same size for track wheels. You need something like a 12mm spacer or more, which brings front offset down to +22 to +23 which is a bit too far out in my opinion for the wheel bearings....granted you run much more camber in front so they would probably tuck without rubbing, even with spacers

 

[jtmcinder]

Interesting. I've had no problem with RFP1s on an Evo X (which has even larger brakes) with nice high offsets, such as +30, but a quick Google backs you up. What is it that hits? Caliper-spoke?

I assume that the OE wheels from an Evo 9 will work, yes? So 17x8.5 +38 Enkeis are OK, yes?

 

[rr06rs]

Caleb, how is daily driving and handling with your 18x9.5's? Offset? Tire size/brand? Suspension? I see you run the Dr-31's for your winter wheels. Do you think the 17x9's I found would clear the brakes? Would you recommend the XXR's or Dr-31's? Thank you!

EVO ix enkeis are 17x8, not 8.5 btw.

 

[jtmcinder]

EVO ix enkeis are 17x8, not 8.5 btw.

Oops. Yep.

But at least it's verified that 17x8.5 +35 RFP1s fit Evo 9 brakes. So, after a little thrashing around, I'm back to what Lando and I said a while ago, albeit only 8.5" wide (which is fine for anything except being dreadfully serious in STU, for example).

 

[rr06rs]

Unfortunately, the width is where I'm not looking to sacrifice. Might be silly, unnecessary, whatever one will call it, but it is what it is. What is your opinion on the Dr-31's in 17x9 +38 I posted the link to? They're roughly the same weight as the XXR's, wich is a little heavy, 5 lbs a rim more than the enkeis, but they're also in the same price range of the XXR's being $500 cheaper than the enkeis with free shipping. Again, keep in mind these are just a daily driver wheel that won't be tracked, however will be pushed agressively on the street when able...

 

[jtmcinder]

Once the issue of wheels wider than 8.5 needing a low offset or spacers to stay off Evo 8/9 brakes came up, I started reading around and found that it seems to be true. If 9"-wide RFP1s won't clear without a low offset or spacer, I'd worry that the DR-31s won't either. The only 17x9s that I've seen verified to work in an offset up around +38 to +40 are Weds SA-70s and SA-90s, but those are out of your budget.

Why do you insist on 9"-wide? A 15# 17x8.5 will probably out-perform a 22# 17x9 in just about every way except sharpish turns near the limit.

In any event, here's what I'd do: head over to EvoM and start reading the tire/wheel fitment sticky in the (plain) Evo suspension and handling forum.

 

[ed1380]

I have 18x8.5 and I like it for DD. 40 sidewall is definitely tall enough to keep you from damaging the wheels.

 

[Dyesuperman]

Interesting. I've had no problem with RFP1s on an Evo X (which has even larger brakes) with nice high offsets, such as +30, but a quick Google backs you up. What is it that hits? Caliper-spoke?

I assume that the OE wheels from an Evo 9 will work, yes? So 17x8.5 +38 Enkeis are OK, yes?

Were the ones you used 18s though? 18s don't have any fitment issues that I am aware of, just the 17s 9 inches and over because the spokes do not curve out like the less wide ones. And yeah, it is the caliper that hits the spoke on the wider rpf1s


-And you have found this out already, no need for me to explain it haha, I am a little late with my reply

Caleb, how is daily driving and handling with your 18x9.5's? Offset? Tire size/brand? Suspension? I see you run the Dr-31's for your winter wheels. Do you think the 17x9's I found would clear the brakes? Would you recommend the XXR's or Dr-31's? Thank you!

EVO ix enkeis are 17x8, not 8.5 btw.

I love it, I have no problems with them, you just have to be careful to avoid potholes and the like, which you should do anyhow. Offset on mine are +35, tires are 255/55/18 General Exclaim UHP (I know, terrible tires, Advans aren't cheap, I was broke afterwards ). The wheels came with potenza re01rs in the same though, and they fit just fine with no clearance issues either. I do have rolled fenders though. My suspension isn't setup for the best handling, I will admit. I am far too low, but, the car is driven on the street for the most part and there are no roadcourse tracks within 2 hours of me, so it isn't completely necessary for me to have it setup for handling right now, and I am ok with that, because it looks awesome . I have Tein SS coilovers so I will raise it if I ever move closer to a roadcourse and can put them to use.

The DR-31s weren't bad wheels, but they were heavy as sin. In comparison, my 18x9.5 Advans with 255/35/18s were lighter than the dr-31s in an 18x8 with 235/40/18 tires. My suggestion to find wheel setups with evo brakes, is to get on the evo forums. evolutionm.net to be specific. That is where I went to see if RPF1s would clear, and I am sure people have asked the same question about various other brands as well.

 

[Ludachris]

I have 17x9" 27 offset Team Dynamic Pro Race 1.2 and they clear Wilwood FSL 4-piston calipers on 13" rotors and they clear the brakes by a large amount. They are around 22 lbs, you can see photos in my gallery. I really like these wheels.

Didn't realize the Evo X wheels were the same weight as my TD's. I should test fit them on the Eclipse and see if they clear the brakes. I actually have two sets of the Evo X wheels - I'll see about test fitting.