what part should i get first????

[streetstyleauto]

my goal is awhp 350 dd

-dsm link v3 or v3 lite???
-aem tru boost
-aem wideband
-evo big 16g
-spearco fmic with tial 50mm bov (i already have it but idk when to install it before or after i get all the other parts)


here is what i have installed already
-all new belts
-oem clutch master cyl
-act 2600
-act flywheel
-b&m short shifter
-injen intake
-k&n filter
-8.5 mag wires
-xs bov vented ( i know it runs like s#it)


let me know if im missing anything
thanks

 

[2slow4utsi]

Get the 16g and the wideband. Then, install the FMIC. You should have bought a boost gauge as your first part.

 

[pdc200302]

Before getting any parts you need to make sure the car is up to date with maintence and then an aftermarket boost gauge.

 

[AlaskanDsm]

I would agree. The boost guage is kind of a MUST as well as the wideband. I would follow with dsmlink V3 lite to get the tuning capabilities and get your car running good and then upgrade from there.

 

[snowborder714]

If you've done any reading around here, you'll know we recommend to get all supporting mods before the big boy toys.

You'll want a real boost gauge, wideband, v3, and fuel mods (which are not on either of your list) first. This way when you do get the 16g, you don't have to run it at 12 psi.

Then you could get the front mount and blow off valve. Keep in mind the only way you're going to properly run the Tial (if it's their normal one that vents to atmosphere) is using a GM MAF instead of your stock MAS sensor, or to run speed density using v3.

Then you can get the 16g and have fun.

 

[gofer]

I'm going to have to disagree with 2slow4utsi just speaking from personal experience and going the wrong route when I initially started modifying my DSM. Here is the order I think you should do things, anyone else agree?

1. ECMLink V3 (full version)
2. AEM UEGO WB
3. AEM TRU BOOST
4. 190lph fuel pump (rewire)
5. 660cc injectors or bigger
6. MHI Evo III 16g

You can install your FMIC right now or anywhere in the middle of that above list. I added fuel upgrades because you'll want them before you install a bigger turbo, even the 16g.

 

[2slow4utsi]

If you've done any reading around here, you'll know we recommend to get all supporting mods before the big boy toys.

You'll want a real boost gauge, wideband, v3, and fuel mods (which are not on either of your list) first. This way when you do get the 16g, you don't have to run it at 12 psi.

Then you could get the front mount and blow off valve. Keep in mind the only way you're going to properly run the Tial (if it's their normal one that vents to atmosphere) is using a GM MAF instead of your stock MAS sensor, or to run speed density using v3.

Then you can get the 16g and have fun.

Very true. I'm assuming he has done most of the maintenance based on what he stated in his post. Then again, some people go above and beyond when it comes to maintenance.

To the OP, you can get the 16g and run on low boost however snowborder is right in a sense that if you wish to push it any harder you will need bigger injectors (550s/560s). A stock pump/injectors can handle the 16g but you will want to upgrade to at least 550s and a 190 pump. Also, make sure you tune your car.

I'm going to have to disagree with 2slow4utsi just speaking from personal experience and going the wrong route when I initially started modifying my DSM. Here is the order I think you should do things, anyone else agree?

1. ECMLink V3 (full version)
2. AEM UEGO WB
3. AEM TRU BOOST
4. 190lph fuel pump (rewire)
5. 660cc injectors or bigger
6. MHI Evo III 16g

You can install your FMIC right now or anywhere in the middle of that above list. I added fuel upgrades because you'll want them before you install a bigger turbo, even the 16g.

Yeah I kind of fixed my first post. He CAN run a 16g on low boost if he wishes but it's always good to have a tune. You're right though, he should learn how to tune before he starts throwing parts on.

Again to the OP, I would look at other options rather than purchase AEM products. Nothing wrong with them but there are better and cheaper options available.

 

[LiquidX]

I'm with Corey on this one. I would rather have ECMLink first and then follow with the boost and wideband.

By having ECMLink you can at least get you very nice idle and note the progress of each mod and then maximize the performance.

Next after those 3 would be the fuel pump + regulator depending on size and then the injectors. Finally finish up with the turbo.

2slowtsi, I went that route and had a E316g before any supporting mods (blew the stock turbo and needed replacement). I kept mine at wastegate pressure and did alright. However, I couldn't not really have much "fun" with it as raising the boost I already understood that my IDC% would have been maxed out or close to it.

It's always best to do things in the proper order than jump ahead of yourself and be hindered.

 

[wkmitsu]

I'm going to have to disagree with 2slow4utsi just speaking from personal experience and going the wrong route when I initially started modifying my DSM. Here is the order I think you should do things, anyone else agree?

1. ECMLink V3 (full version)
2. AEM UEGO WB
3. AEM TRU BOOST
4. 190lph fuel pump (rewire)
5. 660cc injectors or bigger
6. MHI Evo III 16g

You can install your FMIC right now or anywhere in the middle of that above list. I added fuel upgrades because you'll want them before you install a bigger turbo, even the 16g.

The only thing I would suggest doing differently from this is just install everything including the front mount, at once. Like everyone has said, get your maintenance done, recirculate your BOV. You should go with a short route IC piping setup as well.

 

[2slow4utsi]

I'm with Corey on this one. I would rather have ECMLink first and then follow with the boost and wideband.

By having ECMLink you can at least get you very nice idle and note the progress of each mod and then maximize the performance.

Next after those 3 would be the fuel pump + regulator depending on size and then the injectors. Finally finish up with the turbo.

2slowtsi, I went that route and had a E316g before any supporting mods (blew the stock turbo and needed replacement). I kept mine at wastegate pressure and did alright. However, I couldn't not really have much "fun" with it as raising the boost I already understood that my IDC% would have been maxed out or close to it.

It's always best to do things in the proper order than jump ahead of yourself and be hindered.

Of course and I agree with both of you but it's always an option for someone who wants more and can't afford it just yet. I'm not in any way saying my advice is the only route or the best route but it's a route nonetheless. We've all been there in one way or another.

He should at least have a boost gauge at this point though. At the moment, he doesn't even realize how much he's boosting unless it's on stock boost which would be a shocker.

 

[LiquidX]

I understand what you are getting at but he would really get more by doing the turbo later. By getting the fuel mods and Link, he could maximize the t25 out and get a better pull than what the 16g will do untuned at stock levels.

 

[2slow4utsi]

I understand what you are getting at but he would really get more by doing the turbo later. By getting the fuel mods and Link, he could maximize the t25 out and get a better pull than what the 16g will do untuned at stock levels.

Very true.

 

[jerzeeog]

I say you recirculate the bov at least until u get a GMmaf if u want to vent, however you will need a translator or better yet get the ecmlink full instead of the light to control it.
As per which part first, there's an "upgrade path" here on dsmtuners that will help

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

The only thing I would suggest doing differently from this is just install everything including the front mount, at once. Like everyone has said, get your maintenance done, recirculate your BOV. You should go with a short route IC piping setup as well.

I disagree with this. I personally feel that the stock turbo is just stressed more as it has far more volume area to pressurize and fill before 'boost pressure' is obtained. The sidemount is just fine for a while. With a 16g, however, an FMIC would be very beneficial. This is my own insight, however.

 

[wkmitsu]

I disagree with this. I personally feel that the stock turbo is just stressed more as it has far more volume area to pressurize and fill before 'boost pressure' is obtained. The sidemount is just fine for a while. With a 16g, however, an FMIC would be very beneficial. This is my own insight, however.

You misunderstood what I said, I mean he should buy everything he wants for his new setup and then install everything, fuel upgrades, intercooler, turbo, etc. all at one time, rather than throwing the front mount on with the stock turbo.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Or I just took it completely out of context to share my opinion. it's good information, though. One thing that I do disagree with on that is if you go through the process of installing several things at once, and when you're done you run into an issue you can't immediately recognize, then you have to trace back over ALL that work you did installing those various parts to figure out what the issue is.

 

[wkmitsu]

Or I just took it completely out of context to share my opinion. it's good information, though. One thing that I do disagree with on that is if you go through the process of installing several things at once, and when you're done you run into an issue you can't immediately recognize, then you have to trace back over ALL that work you did installing those various parts to figure out what the issue is.

Yeah I mean it's a matter of preference. I take my time and check over everything as I work, so I usually don't run into a ton of problems with the finished product. I'm just not a big fan of "I'm installing the intercooler this week, then the fuel stuff next week, and the turbo the week after."

 

[gofer]

Yeah I mean it's a matter of preference. I take my time and check over everything as I work, so I usually don't run into a ton of problems with the finished product. I'm just not a big fan of "I'm installing the intercooler this week, then the fuel stuff next week, and the turbo the week after."

Then you never get to see the improvements from your modifications and when you go to start the car and somethings wrong where do you check, you just replaced damn near half the engine bay? Do one modification, or a few, at a time that make sense like ECMLink/injectors/pump or 16g/FMIC. If you do EVERYTHING at once your going to have a really fun time trying to figure out if you did one thing wrong or if you did EVERYTHING wrong.

 

[wkmitsu]

Then you never get to see the improvements from your modifications and when you go to start the car and somethings wrong where do you check, you just replaced damn near half the engine bay? Do one modification, or a few, at a time that make sense like ECMLink/injectors/pump or 16g/FMIC. If you do EVERYTHING at once your going to have a really fun time trying to figure out if you did one thing wrong or if you did EVERYTHING wrong.

I've never really ran into an overwhelming problem installing new parts like you are describing. I usually have so much anticipation built up from taking my time stocking up new parts, reading on here, researching, and planning about how to install them that I have the whole process mapped out in my head perfectly down to every detail before I even start, but I guess most people don't have to wait from mid August to the next June to start putting everything together. Like I said, personal preference.

 

[coradojr89]

get the dsmlink first! would be much better!

 

[Below Ambient]

my goal is awhp 350 dd

-dsm link v3 or v3 lite???
-aem tru boost
-aem wideband
-evo big 16g
-spearco fmic with tial 50mm bov (i already have it but idk when to install it before or after i get all the other parts)


here is what i have installed already
-all new belts
-oem clutch master cyl
-act 2600
-act flywheel
-b&m short shifter
-injen intake
-k&n filter
-8.5 mag wires
-xs bov vented ( i know it runs like s#it)


let me know if im missing anything
thanks

exhaust would be my first mod, after that a guage, and boost controller, followed by fuel, management, injectors for the management, and after you learn how to tune to get the most out of it, get the turbo you want, by then you may have changed your mind, and a FMIC will bring down your AIT's so you can run more boost without worry of pulled timing or blowing your engine...

sounds like your on the right track by taking care of maint issues though... with the exception of the vented BOV (ive been able to actually vent tuning with a SAFC but boost control and mpg was better with it recirculated)

 

[SpawnedX]

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