What do i need to run 13's

[jakelandry]

Yea i know everyone always asks what do i need to run 13's yada yada yada. I know for around 2 grand i can put together a turbo and i plan to eventually, but as of now my motor could use a rebuild so that comes first. Im running a 97 420a with bolt ons as of now and my hp goals are from 225 to 275 or 13's whichever, would i need forged internals for this goal or should i just rebuild my motor with a kit and upgrade something else. In other words can i run 13's without going forged or blowing my motor after a rebuild?

 

[DSM_PWR]

If your planning on going turbo/spray... its highly recommended to rebuild with forged internals.

Lowering the compression is the key thing when adding boost

 

[jakelandry]

If your planning on going turbo/spray... its highly recommended to rebuild with forged internals.

Lowering the compression is the key thing when adding boost

Right but im also not planning on running a high psi. Im a college student with no job...

 

[DSM_PWR]

Most AWD 4g63 cars run about 14-18psi to break into the 13's...

What do you suppose it will take a FWD model

 

[jakelandry]

Most AWD 4g63 cars run about 14-18psi to break into the 13's...

What do you suppose it will take a FWD model

Thank you for clearing that up. So lets just say im aiming for the 250 hp range, that can be reached by 15 psi, along with some helping engine mods no? what would i need before i run out and throw 15 psi at my car?

 

[dsmking101]

keep your 420a it can easily hit 13s on the track with turbo and the right fine tune..

 

[gofer]

i do own a 420a but its 110% stock so i only know about modifying the 4g63t to get it to run 13's on the track.
i can't give you mod'ing advice for your 420a engine but i can tell you one thing... to get your 420a into the 13's you must first get it to run 15's, 14.5's, 14's, THEN you will see a 13. there is no formula (this mod+this mod = this 1/4 mile time) to modifying a 13 sec DSM.
im not going to tell you to save your money and buy a GSX either, i hated that answer when i would ask what i should do to my GS. just do what you can financially and if thats JUST make the car payments then i still give you a for driving a clean 2g.

 

[jakelandry]

i do own a 420a but its 110% stock so i only know about modifying the 4g63t to get it to run 13's on the track.
i can't give you mod'ing advice for your 420a engine but i can tell you one thing... to get your 420a into the 13's you must first get it to run 15's, 14.5's, 14's, THEN you will see a 13. there is no formula (this mod+this mod = this 1/4 mile time) to modifying a 13 sec DSM.
im not going to tell you to save your money and buy a GSX either, i hated that answer when i would ask what i should do to my GS. just do what you can financially and if thats JUST make the car payments then i still give you a for driving a clean 2g.

thanks man, your right. im glad someone had something positive to say.

keep your 420a it can easily hit 13s on the track with turbo and the right fine tune..

What turbo setup are you running?

 

[bullettdsm]

I was below 200whp when I ran 13.9 as a daily (MSnS, high comp, NA). Now you're talking about hitting 250whp? That should get you into the 13's IF you can drive.

So from there; can you do 250whp on a stock bottom end with turbo? IMO, yes. But it will require a good tune on whatever you decide to use (I'm thinking Portfueler or MSnS). The weakest point in our engines are the ringlands. They will be the first to go.

BUT if you decide to go forged internals, don't be afraid to go high comp. I'm running 10.5 right now and producing 570whp. Yes that's on 112ish but these cars are not prone to knock if you tune correctly. I had a recent screw up (on my part) and had to take the engine apart. There were zero signs of detonation on my JE's.

More important to all this is your hook up and your seat time.

MB

 

[dsmking101]

i have a custom made kit runing a 16g turbo havent dyno tuned it yet will get it fine tuned for max hp soon it cost 800,00 bucks by the shop i want to get it done by so im saving up for it so at the moment idk how much hp im runing but if i was to give a ruff estimate it would proberly be around 250hp range...

 

[viperlp01]

Your going to pay 800 dollars to get your car tuned.. !!!! 800 dollars to tune a 16g to 350hp max?? You need to update your profile dsmking because it says you are soon to be turbo and it says that you want dsmlink in a 420a...

If you feel like taking your time and your money to make this car a 13 sec car then keep going and researching.. Im still on stock block easily hitting around 400hp to the crank with less money into go fast mods then it would take you to buy parts for your motor. I have less than 2k in go fast mods.. Mid 12 sec quarters and I daily this car from home to work to school then home everyday.. right around 80-90 miles a day every business day..

 

[dsmking101]

damm my fault its 500.00 not 800.00, sorry bout the profile bin busy on the car and working ill update when i have time

 

[jakelandry]

See im really worried about investing in a turbo, as bad as i want it, because i honestly dont think theres anyone within several hundred miles that could tune worth crap, and god knows i have no idea about anything. Im new to dsm's and this is all taking quite some time to settle in. but thank you for all the usefull info guys.

 

[kevbojunior]

go to hahnracecraft.com. they have several kits for the 420a engines on stock internals to run 13's with. comes with everything your need to do it. you can easily run 13's on the stock motor. maybe throw some arp head studs to play it real safe. if you want even more power, throw some mild cams in that motor.

 

[viperlp01]

Is it that easy to run 13s on a FWD with 200hp?? Man you guys with no track times make it seem easy..

 

[dsmking101]

viperlp01--as soon as i get to run my car at importwars in a couple months ill post my slip

 

[talondave]

What do they run in the 1/4 mile stock? You could gain 1 sec with a good set of ET drag slicks, cause you know its going to be harder with street tires!!

 

[gofer]

What do they run in the 1/4 mile stock? You could gain 1 sec with a good set of ET drag slicks, cause you know its going to be harder with street tires!!

my dial in at bandimere speedway in my 97 GS was a blistering 19.1

i don't remember my trap speed but i do know my 60fts weren't over 2.4 on those stock 5 spoke 16's and i had a CAI and catback exhaust too... the only thing that was the killer there was the altitude 5,860ft above sea level, motors gasping for air all the way down the track as a N/A. anyway, im not saying thats what all N/A's would run but thats how fast i was getting down the track. when my car ran those 19.1's i wasn't granny shifting either, i was double clutching like i should

 

[bullettdsm]

my dial in at bandimere speedway in my 97 GS was a blistering 19.1

So, on the high side we're at 19.1

I would say the low side is pretty close to 15.8. That's what I ran with my almost bone stock 99 OZ edition (had just a short ram and a 60mm TB on it). Now, I DID run my slicks on that.

Generally, you'll run in the 16's to 17's stock.

MB

 

[Project2G]

my dial in at bandimere speedway in my 97 GS was a blistering 19.1

i don't remember my trap speed but i do know my 60fts weren't over 2.4 on those stock 5 spoke 16's and i had a CAI and catback exhaust too... the only thing that was the killer there was the altitude 5,860ft above sea level, motors gasping for air all the way down the track as a N/A. anyway, im not saying thats what all N/A's would run but thats how fast i was getting down the track. when my car ran those 19.1's i wasn't granny shifting either, i was double clutching like i should

Bandimere as in Colorado's track? If so don't forget Banidimere is at 5764ft.

I would get a small turbo upgrade as you Jake are n/a and some fuel supporting mods with a decent tune should hit your mark of 13.00. Also slicks will help out alot with traction. My buddy Kyle has a gs with a50 trim and no tune and hit's 14.1 on street tires and fully interior.

 

[jakelandry]

Bandimere as in Colorado's track? If so don't forget Banidimere is at 5764ft.

I would get a small turbo upgrade as you Jake are n/a and some fuel supporting mods with a decent tune should hit your mark of 13.00. Also slicks will help out alot with traction. My buddy Kyle has a gs with a50 trim and no tune and hit's 14.1 on street tires and fully interior.

ok. so what are the internal points i would need to upgrade before i run turbo again? Im not planning on running anything huge or anything but i also dont want to run a turbo on a 420 with nothing but bolt ons.

Does anyone know where i can get hold of a set of aftermarket pulleys or a udp at least, i cant find ANY for n/t.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...uild-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

 

[jakelandry]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...uild-420a-stage-2-turbo-kit-under-1000-a.html

seen it a hundred times, i dont have welding skills, and even if i did i have absolutely no clue how to tune anything.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

ok. so what are the internal points i would need to upgrade before i run turbo again? Im not planning on running anything huge or anything but i also dont want to run a turbo on a 420 with nothing but bolt ons.

Nothing, really. Just make sure your car is properly maintained and the engine is in good condition. The stock bottom end can handle quite a bit of power.

Does anyone know where i can get hold of a set of aftermarket pulleys or a udp at least, i cant find ANY for n/t.

Unorthodox Racing

That's pretty much the only pulley available anymore. There are no more UDP's from any competitors and there were never any overdrive pulleys for the accessories.

seen it a hundred times, i dont have welding skills, and even if i did i have absolutely no clue how to tune anything.

That's not really the point... basic log style manifolds can be had for next to nothing these days. IC piping kits and such are easily available too, so you don't have to weld.

Using the method Chris outlined in his article, you don't even have to tune anything... the 12:1 FMU gets you close enough for up to around 8psi.

 

[Locke]

Using the method Chris outlined in his article, you don't even have to tune anything... the 12:1 FMU gets you close enough for up to around 8psi.

Which on average tends to net around 200hp to the front wheels on a 16g'ish sized turbo and depending on the trim level and prep of the car, tends to put people in (or close to) the 13's.

See the dyno and track records for 420a's on this site for build examples.