how to run between 13 to low 14's

[97eclipseRS]

well if you go used then it might be a little more realistic. would you please fill me in on your plans of running 13's this cheaply because unless you get a damn good deal on all your parts and you choose the right ones for the job, i think you will be hard pressed to complete the task at hand

 

[dr1665]

14.999 ET all motor 420A will run you about $4500 son. Sorry to rain on your parade there.

Bottom end rebuild with forged internals and increased CR: $1500
Rebuilt head with race port, oversized valves, Ti hardware and nasty cams: $1500
Supporting mods (LSD, ignition, exhaust, intake, pulleys, instrumentation): $1000

However, being able to hang with a stock TSi or GST without a turbo: priceless.

 

[slodsm]

Originally posted by dr1665
14.999 ET all motor 420A will run you about $4500 son. Sorry to rain on your parade there.

Bottom end rebuild with forged internals and increased CR: $1500
Rebuilt head with race port, oversized valves, Ti hardware and nasty cams: $1500
Supporting mods (LSD, ignition, exhaust, intake, pulleys, instrumentation): $1000

However, being able to hang with a stock TSi or GST without a turbo: priceless.

Man I have to SEVERELY disagree with ya on that one bro. #1, the head will not need to be touched, do you have any idea the flow numbers on the stock 420A head? With forced induction it has been in the 10's with stock valves and cams. I do not even come close to seeing the need for a forged bottom end. There should be an easy enough solution to this. CAI, Header, Catback, those should be the ONLY power mods required and it will not net a whole lot. Weight reduction, lose the bumper support, all the sound deadaning, spare, jack, anything not nailed down, hell take out all teh seats but the one you are sitting in for the pass. The 2G is a pig and needs a diet. Finnaly, SLICKS!!!!! I can promise you the car will go deep 14's just like that as long as it can pull a 1.7 to 1.8 short time. Everyone tries to invest a fortune to make power enough to overcome traction shortcomings, just cure the traction problem for less than 300 bucks and your money. Then with a shot of spray, I imagine a low 13 would be nothing. Granted it will not run that time on street tires and with the seats and such in but if you are trying to prove a point, thats the way to do it.

 

[big green]

SLODSM, listen to dr1665

He is one of the most Knowledgeable people when it comes to the 420A. I wouldn't be surprized if he had the fastest all motor DSM come summer.

 

[dr1665]

Thanks for the support green, but there is some truth to what slo said there. I will be dropping in some nasty cams and oversized valves, so I will be able to make the most of the porting I am getting done. On top of which, I am installing the AFX ECu which will give me a redline of 8200rpm, so I will be tweaking the head to perfrom well above normal levels. No doubt the 420a head is a good performer as it stands, but my goals are not so much quarter mile ET based, as they are hp guided. By the time the shootout rolls around next summer, I plan on sporting a TSiHNTR license plate and giveing the stock TSis a serious run for their money.

The point of my post is to say that it is not a cheap as some think it is to run 14s NA, and very few (ie; ONE) 2GNTs have gotten below a 15.3 adn he modifyied the tranny. I know of 2 people running low 15s in stock displacement trim, and they have both left the bottom end alone (raising compression by milling the head) and gone with a lot of cams and tuning.

Slicks and practice are going to be paramount to making a sub 15 second run, and I think anything below 14.5 is going to be impossible without some sort of power adders.

It's all good gentlemen!

 

[sleepingtalon98]

Ok if you guys have cat-back, and intake and notice a difference then explain to me this?

I just put on a catback exhaust, and a very nice K&N Intake.
Bosch +4 Plugs and Wires.

The car seems slower then when I first test drove in 2 months ago when I bought it, extremely slower actually I find myself being embarressed by a freaking Civic SE, I think thats what you call it down there, the 128hp one. It's Si up here.

Now once the intake and exhaust went on, my engine light came on, I went in and it needs a new O2 Sensor. Could this be causing my horride terrible slow feelings? I mean my old Nissan NX1600 110hp car with intake and exhaust felt SO much faster then this Talon. WTF is going on?
Is it the o2, I plan on getting replaced on monday, along with a high flow cat. Will this fix my problem? or is there something else going on?
BTW I am a very well experienced driver so, it's not me. It's the car. Seems to get slower everyday. I am getting very pissed off at the car, but is it the o2? LMk thanks.

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

sleeping....


ummmm...im pretty sure its the 02 sensor. That reads the amount of air coming into your car...blah blah blah, so if thats not working right, it could definately be causing some power shortage

 

[sleepingtalon98]

Some, man horride! Its unbelieveably slow! hehe I think my dads Pt Cruiser and my friends Stock Neon is way faster!

 

[fwdtsi]

I am not hating on N/T, But you could sell your car buy a FWD turbo or AWD and be just as fast stock but you would have pocketed 4K to 5k to what you would have spent on a less reliable all motor car.

 

[sleepingtalon98]

N/T are the best. You'll be in the dust when my done up NT has 200hp or so, then gets a turbo... way more HP then your stock GST or TSI

 

[fwdtsi]

You mean, after you have spent 9 gazillion dollars, and have 200hp.

 

[sleepingtalon98]

Not really man, won't take to much money.

I'll prove it. Once my car is done NT I will show how much I paided.

 

[fwdtsi]

All that high compression and nitrous might blow the welds on the intake manifold. Sorry had to say it.

 

[BD1]

Originally posted by fwdtsi
All that high compression and nitrous might blow the welds on the intake manifold. Sorry had to say it.

Venom Intake / or P&P Stock Manifold + 75 ZEX. Enough said, but who actually does that?

 

[sleepingtalon98]

Originally posted by fwdtsi
All that high compression and nitrous might blow the welds on the intake manifold. Sorry had to say it.

LOFL!

He's got a enough nos in there to blow himself up... period!

 

[dr1665]

Originally posted by sleepingtalon98
but is it the o2?

If the O2 dies on you, the ECU reverts to a facotry preset fuel curve which is overly rich to prevent pre-det. That could be it.

I'd love to see all kinds of 200hp all motor DSMsrolling around. Then I won't be the only one, eh? And no, I'm not some overly enthusiastic no0b who saw a couple episodes of Hi-Energy Tooners and thinks he knows what's up. I'm just someone wanting to do something different than buy a bolt on turbo kit or "sell it an buy the turbo," the mantra of the DSMtuner. I've done the homework and will be backing up my claims come summer.

 

[eclipse96nt]

Originally posted by slodsm
. CAI, Header, Catback, those should be the ONLY power mods required and it will not net a whole lot. Weight reduction, lose the bumper support, all the sound deadaning, spare, jack, anything not nailed down, hell take out all teh seats but the one you are sitting in for the pass. The 2G is a pig and needs a diet. Finnaly, SLICKS!!!!! just cure the traction problem

sweet some one else is on the same page as me

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

nt cars are the shit, oh ya im selling my car to get a turbo awd eclipse. Not because of the slowness, but because i got a 1g awd for half the price of my 2gnt...and it has less original miles. So i wont have a car payment anymore, and my car will be faster will an amazing amount of potential, and with a couple thousand thrown into the engine, i can let this kid with an m3 suck my dick

 

[fwdtsi]

Dont live your life a 1/4 mile at a time.

 

[97eclipseRS]

but he might want the respect, to some people thats more important

 

[fwdtsi]

If you do go the NT route, I will just go ahead and build up your motor and put one big shot of nitrous on it. Becuase its going to be hard putting that thing in the 13's NT. I know just bolt ons wont get you there, It might get you a high 15 if that.

 

[slodsm]

Originally posted by big green
SLODSM, listen to dr1665

He is one of the most Knowledgeable people when it comes to the 420A. I wouldn't be surprized if he had the fastest all motor DSM come summer.

What are you? His cheering section? I have read his posts, I know he is not an idiot, have you read mine? I don't call myself the most knowledgable person on any motor but have been through enough and built enough and raced enough cars to know what it takes to do somthing. I would be very surprised if anyone here beside Kirby and SUIECLIPSE or whatever has done more to their 420A, and oh yeah, it was all done by me aside from the .020 overbore. I just went the turbo route vice dr's all motor route. The guy asked for cheap and I gave him the answer. Maybe you should read it and you could put your car into the 13's since you already have the spray. Try something new for a change, there are like 3 NT guys running slicks in the us that I know of aside from Hahn and his buddies, why do you think so many neons and hondas have nice 1/4 mile times.

 

[97eclipseRS]

what did you do to your 420a? i looked in your mod list and all i saw was the mods for your 1g awd. unless of course you sold your 2gnt for the 1g

 

[big green]

Originally posted by slodsm
What are you? His cheering section? I have read his posts, I know he is not an idiot, have you read mine? I don't call myself the most knowledgable person on any motor but have been through enough and built enough and raced enough cars to know what it takes to do somthing. I would be very surprised if anyone here beside Kirby and SUIECLIPSE or whatever has done more to their 420A, and oh yeah, it was all done by me aside from the .020 overbore. I just went the turbo route vice dr's all motor route. The guy asked for cheap and I gave him the answer. Maybe you should read it and you could put your car into the 13's since you already have the spray. Try something new for a change, there are like 3 NT guys running slicks in the us that I know of aside from Hahn and his buddies, why do you think so many neons and hondas have nice 1/4 mile times.

My goal is mid low 14's. I have no desire to faster then a low 14.



and I can cheer on who ever I want, thank you very much.

 

[sleepingtalon98]

Why does everyone think that an NT is slow? Come on, I know guys getting tons of hp out of there nt cars. Civics, 240's, nx2000! Heck, I know a guy with an NX2000 doing a nice 180-190hp nt
You just have to know some tricks of the trade. All them fancey bolt ons help, but thats not all you have to do, you have to know some of the tricks that can change things. When summer comes I should have my NT doing close to 200hp.
No Nitrous either.
So I'll let you all see a dyno by then.