Wasting my time with GST??? vs SRT-4

[SikRacing97GST]

Like the title says, i need to know. Every night i go out i am running into a SRT-4 and getting ate up and spit out. I just recently bought a 14b for $50 (not installed). Is this going to help me at all compared to the 2.4L the neon has.I hate to be so newbie but this kids around here are everywhere and embarrising me with my T-25 (thats prob my #1 problem). I love my DSM dont get me wrong, but would i be spending more to try and keep up with these staged srt's than rather going out and buying one, which is more costly? I dont wanna start a big argument or anything, im just wanting to know what you guys are doing to your cars to out run these things. Tony

 

[EvolvingGST]

Staged SRT-4s? what do they push? -.- Against any modded car you need to mod your car first... AND BTW the fastest GST > fastest SRT 4. We have been around longer, but that just makes your job easier to beat them.... it really depends on what you want to do, a 14b isnt gonna get you horribly fast... It will be a great improvement but nothing you want to race against I.E. Supra TT or something like that...

In a street race if you mod your car, you can beat a Supra TT... That also depends on how much work you want to do to your car and how much money to do it... Base essentials for even starting is get a free mods, turbo back(custom 300), intake(150), MBC(10-50), AFC(300) w/ data logger(150), and you are on your start... If you go the cheap way you can get away with spending 1k for all that stuff. With this you might break into high 12s if you are using a 14B

To expand later on maybe you want a Evo III (300) manifold with O2 sensor housing(200?) (ported if you want), EVO III 16G turbo(600?) and a FMIC(600). injectors(200) and pump (100)... Many people with this setting runs mid-low 12s, some even run high 11s...

So how much work do you want to put into it and how much money?

These cars should allow you to spank a modded supra TT on the street from a stop, let alone a SRT-4... Since they need traction and all... just learn to launch correctly and such... Esp important since you own a GST.

 

[leakyfaucet]

If you're looking to spank SRT-4s, a 14b is not the answer. SRT-4s, combined with the bigger engine, have a version of the 16G turbo.

Go 16G or larger if you want to have a fighting chance.

Also, as stated before, DSMs have been around MUCH longer. Parts are easilly available and just about any mod you could imagine has been well documented. We know what works, they don't.

 

[SikRacing97GST]

Ok so you told me what i wanted to hear. Well i just sold 2 new Motocross Bikes (CRF450 and CR250) that left me with around 7,5 cash that i was either wanting to put into my car or just sum cash to trade in my car for a newer car. My car has 97k miles and just the free mods and intake, 3" back, IC piping, MBC, and 1g BOV thats pretty much it ,oh and a bad O2 sensor . But seriously now what do you think? Put this money towards a new car so i can get my money back out or put it in to a eclipse thats about to hit 100k miles. Now i do have a short block i looking into from slow boy. Ive always wanted to build new motor to put in my car, but ive always wanted to have a new car. But i dont know its hard being 18 and having to make choices, you always want to make the right one, sometimes you just have to be a kid and make the toy how you want it which i would prefer doing rather than spending money on a new car and not having any money to mod it. But anyways thanks for the feedback man - Tony

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

If you're looking to spank SRT-4s, a 14b is not the answer. SRT-4s, combined with the bigger engine, have a version of the 16G turbo.

Go 16G or larger if you want to have a fighting chance.

I don't know, my 14b doesn't seem to have much of a problem with them.

 

[Ryans99OZ]

i would trade up to a gsx w/ lower miles or a 99 gst w/ like 60,000 on it....then start fresh...there are tons of rich kids out there who dont even care bout the miliage..ull get a good price out of it

 

[DSMSpyder99]

I dont know why people keep saying its a 16G turbo because it is NOT a 16G. if you have a healthy 14B (remember to port the housing) pushing the 14B to its limits with fuel mods, t-back, upgraded IC, and tuning. It can easily takes the SRT-4 TD04LR-15GK-6cm turbocharger.

 

[EvolvingGST]

7.5k + 8k = 15.5k if you sell your car

what do you want from a car? if you buy a stock car you will not be able to compete with a modded car... If you were to say compete against a SRT-4 modded against a Supra TT or RX7FD you would still lose... You sound to me to want to have a fast car, maybe sell it for a GSX if you want a 1/4 car.

You will spend 2k more for it so its worth it in my opinion 2k for AWD... then you have 5.5k left to mod, get a custom 3 inch turbo back, take out the other parts from the car you have now. Get a Evo 16G and a FMIC with fuel mods, tuned to run 22 psi on the street and w/ other stuff(cams, clutch, flywheel) and you will be sitting pretty.

And if you want an uber car you can just go buy a 20G if you want rediculously fast. and it will work with a GST since there is a lag period and it has great top end. That way you can keep your money from switching from a GST to GSX.... 20g (900), get 660cc injectors, a 255 lph fuel pump and you will again be sitting pretty. ET tuned low 12s high 11s.

Either way 7.5k in mods is a lot of mods... You will probably spend less than 4k on the upgrades if you want to go with a 20g or a Evo 16g

 

[n3gativerr0r]

Speed is a money game. You spent what 6-10k on a GST? They spent 20-21k on a SRT4 then maybe more on mods. You cant expect your car to be faster right out of the gate. Depending on what they have done which prolly isnt too too much. You spend a couple grand on your GST, then LIGHTEN it up a bit. Not enough people concentrate on shedding weight like they should. And youll be walking away from them pretty easily.

And a word of advice. I know alot of these guys recommended a Evo16g or something like that. And that isnt a bad turbo, but I would go bigger with your turbo period. Top End is where you wanna be in a FWD car. Id go atleast 20g.

 

[hornetsnest]

...Top End is where you wanna be in a FWD car...

So true for drag racing...

You're not gonna beat too many RWD off the line, and forget about the AWD guys. Most of the time you are gonna start off the race from behind, so you're gonna want a turbo with some topend (20g, 50trim, etc) and hope you can catch um before the race is over...

 

[GForce]

For what it's worth, here in Topeka there's a black SRT-4 (2004 so it has the LSD), is stock as far as I can tell, and the guy has disposed of an S2000 on many occassions. The S2000 gets him off the line but he catches up and passes him. And from a roll he and a new STi were even.

I say stock as far as I can tell because it doesn't have aftermarket exhaust and it doesn't sound any different from other SRT-4's I've seen.

Plus it's funny to hear his wife go off about ricers trying to race them and being "a waste of my gas".

 

[JoeWagon]

Speed is a money game. You spent what 6-10k on a GST? They spent 20-21k on a SRT4 then maybe more on mods. You cant expect your car to be faster right out of the gate.

This is backwards. My car was close to 30k new, so there is no 'they paid more' excuse. They cost less and are faster stock, that's how it is. There are advantages to our cars, but the T25 isn't one of them. Plenty of suggestions in this thread and on the common mod path, just keep going until you are faster.

 

[Samurai Jack]

Port the 14b and get a larger IC, Fuel pump, s-afc, larger 02 housing. You will own the srt-4s and have plenty of the money left for selling your bikes

 

[hornetsnest]

...My car was close to 30k new, so there is no 'they paid more' excuse...

Yes there is...

We're talking about recently (when srt-4's became available), not 1997 when srt-4 didn't exist.

Buy an srt-4 NOW...high teens/low 20's

Buy a 2g gst NOW...under 10(year/milage depending)

 

[got_no_sol]

From as far as I've been able to find, with about 1500 bucks you can get to about 300hp depending on boost

 

[midnght]

Hang in there. It will all become much more clear as you learn your car.


To give you a ruff estimate of the price it takes to NO longer have to worry with the SRT-4 look in my vehicle profile and then my sig to see results. I have bought my 97 GST with 35,000 miles for 10k and have since put 5k into it. That is the price of fun, not to mention I am having to buy a new Tranny because of a "FACTORY" defective 3rd/4th hub that decided to blowout.


As for the STi and SRT-4 thing.

Last night I raced a STi with my F'ed up tranny and pulled him hard. He got about 3 cars on me from the time it took me by 3 cars from launch-1st-till I hit the 2nd gear powerband.

The SRT-4 is a great factory car and can even be modified nicely, but I have not had any problems "yet".

Remeber my engine has not even had a T-Belt change/HG swap yet. Your GS-T has PLENTY of potential.


"I DO NOT PROMOTE ILLEGAL RACING"

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

How can you be disappointed with getting owned by SRT4s when your car is basically stock? SRT4s have a full second advantage on you 0-60 and two in the 1/4. You need to mod that car with more than just IC pipes. Upgrade the turbo, fuel pump, BOV, SAFC, and turn up the boost...that's all you need to do to beat most of the SRT4 out there.

 

[my95tsi]

Are you racing them from a roll or from a stop? I've had no problem, taking them out from a roll. I've taken about 3 so far from a roll and took them by only 1/2-1 car length. The good thing about the t25 is that i'm hitting full boost much quicker which gives me the jump compared to the srt-4. I've never raced one from a stop but since my clutch, flywheel, and lsd are going in next week i'm not going to be too scared if i end up sitting next to one at the stop light. Get an exhaust and bump up the boost and you'll be fine. I couldn't imagine a stock gst beating one and your car is basically stock.

 

[ShapeGSX]

This is backwards. My car was close to 30k new, so there is no 'they paid more' excuse. They cost less and are faster stock, that's how it is. There are advantages to our cars, but the T25 isn't one of them. Plenty of suggestions in this thread and on the common mod path, just keep going until you are faster.

Man, you got hosed on that deal. I bought my loaded 1997 Eclipse GSX for $24,500. Sticker was $26,500. And the Talons were a bit cheaper.

 

[92Talon251]

Man, you got hosed on that deal. I bought my loaded 1997 Eclipse GSX for $24,500. Sticker was $26,500. And the Talons were a bit cheaper.

I Still got my sticker for my talon 1992 TSI AWD sticker reads $20,987 car was semi fully loaded had leather power every thing sun roof AC No ABS No CD player.

Still I have seen some SRT-4's around here are semi quick but you got em beat badly in the long run most of your friends are stock I am guessing?? The SRT-4's I have seen ran at the motorspeedway around here stock run 14.5 - 14.1 (note they are using boost controllers)

With a few simple mods you can overpower em. A new exhaust from a local exhaust shop is a good way to go mine was about $300 for my full 2.5 inch with high flow cat.

Also follow the tuning guides and you will get there. Mostly you want to let the car breath before you do turbo mods AKA intake, exhaust, Innercooler pipe those really help out also the 14b turbo is a very decent turbo it is great platform it can hold 18psi and it spool up time is lower than the 16g's with some (port work you can get a local engine shops or do it yourself) a ported 14b is about $80 to do mine

 

[GinNBoost]

I don't think selling your car and going for a GSX would be the answer. As midnight just proved, AWD is nothing on the street. On the track it owns but on the street a race doesn't end at a 1/4 mile. An SRT4 would still catch up and still make short work of you. And what's with all the 14b bashing? There's a dude on here who's in the 13s with a 14b in a GST on street tires.

 

[ShapeGSX]

I don't think selling your car and going for a GSX would be the answer. As midnight just proved, AWD is nothing on the street. On the track it owns but on the street a race doesn't end at a 1/4 mile. An SRT4 would still catch up and still make short work of you.

That is quite the broad statement, don't you think? It doesn't matter if you have AWD, RWD or FWD, give the car enough power, and it will pull away.

Besides, I've been in a FWD DSM that had over 400hp, and it would still spin its tires in 3rd gear.

 

[fawkes]

hey take this from a newbie. ur either into dsms or yah not. i have mine that was given to me for free. all my friends tell me to sell it.ill give u history on my car 117k miles when i got it the bottom hinge was rusted off the door handle was broken the carpet was trashed the seats the same and if u read the rest of my threads my motor is f**ked. i have a 96 talon tsi obvisly fwd. isnt part of the fun of owning these cars to make them what u can? not to get rid of it and do it on another, sure i could have sold mine and went with lower milage and doors that are not fallen off. but i have a passion for it. i have spent alot of money just between the interior and the door making the door open and welding new metal on the beast, to brand new dealer carpet and door handle hence the name fawkes(the phoenix from harry potter ) so do what u must but take pride in it

 

[fawkes]

ok so i feel ghey. but i am kinda bumed that in the real world i call home everyone is talking sell the car and then i come on here and hear everyone telln everyone else to sell theirs ya dig?

 

[bigroy_80]

5g's in cash for mods will decimate any srt-4 you will come across on the street, for the most part, im sure there are exceptions but you could also do as others have said and trade in for a gsx which say take that minus 2g's and put 3g's into the gsx guess what...you will still maul most of the srt-4's you come across, and again i say there are exceptions